2012 Giro d'Italia Stage 18, San Vito de Cadore - Vedelago, 24th May, 149km

[Lexman]

didn't watch the stage, just watched on th net the last minutes of the broadcast and the replay

I don't get Cavs gesture, he looks angry, and seems to do a gesture to Guardini who sprinted a fair sprint, maybe Cav is just angry at himself of missing some dear points...

Well well Kaisen & Keizer again in the attack, great battle between these two, almost as interesting as the battle for GC

 

[Parrulo]

Certainly in bike racing you are going to have racers who are just better at lasting the distance and going over obstacles, but not as fast outright. Oscar Freire is at the other end of the spectrum to Andrea Guardini, and you can bet that Chris Hoy would mince up a 5km stage with a straight finish.

exactly, theo boss is another example of this he just happens to also be very bad at positioning himself so he is just hopeless

i must say guardini's placing ability impressed me a lot, from the heli shot of the sprint he looked like oscar freaking freire tackling every1( cept ferrari ) out of his way.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

cav is such a whiner. he deserves all the hate he gets.

 

[wirral]

Yesterday, as ever, the commissaires were all over Cav up every climb. He did them all through pedal power. Meanwhile just behind him, Guardini was gaily hanging on to the cars. The commissaires turned a blind eye. The deal was that Guardini would not go for the win today. He reneged on the deal.

Source: Bullopedia

 

[El Pistolero]

Guardini is even more worse climber than Cav, you should bash him too

Cav wasn't doing much better than Guardini during his first Grand Tour. In fact, he was worse.

 

[burning]

Cav wasn't doing much better than Guardini during his first Grand Tour. In fact, he was worse.

You are right about that, which stage did he left in Tour 2007? I guess it was 10 or 11

 

[Boardslide]

Well it's quite obvious Sky must read this forum as they wrongly took your advice and didn't use Heano & Uran in the last 10km. Mind you I think it was a good result after all the effort put into taking the IS as well. At the end I think it was more frustration with himself than anything.

 

[GroupDK]

Why does Saxo do this early train thing? Have seen that several times now.
Is it because they are not strong enough to move up during the real leadout, and at least at 3km they can at least show the team-colours for a minute or two?

Yeah, strange that Saxo tryes to show there teamcolor / sponsors etc etc..
are you on call with the point of these races?? assume not´´ - if you really think its about a stage win on paper etc etc. / the main point is to flash you sponsors, who is the fundamental basis behind the hole concept of pro cycling

and come on, - if you can take the lead by a hole team the last 2 KM then the pace aint fast enough

Saxo got 5 place today with a secondary guy, now that Haedo has left in time for TDF..

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Congratulations to Guardini! I'm really glad to see another sprinter emerge who can potentially make sprinting more interesting, rather than simply a competition for Cavendish's scraps.

That said, there are some extremely stupid comments in this thread about how one loss shows that Cavendish has "lost it" or that there's a new "fastest man". Cavendish had a bad day at the office, and Guardini a great one. That's nice to see, but this is sprinting, not boxing. You don't displace the king with one sprint win. You displace the king by beating him over and over and over. Cavendish lets remember, is even in this Giro beating Guardini three to one. I think that today might be the first race with Cavendish in it that Guardini has ever won.

Guardini showed very encouraging raw speed today.

 

[richwagmn]

I think pigs just flew and hell froze over.

Cav beaten straight up in a sprint??? Wow.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

Has Cav done an interview blaming anyone else for his defeat today? I think he simply let the frustration show with himself as he crossed the line. He made the mistake of turning his head across whilst he was doing that, but if you're totally emotionally open this can happen. He's not a robot thinking about the cameras as he crosses the line and being careful not to do anything that might appear wrong. He just lets it all hang out.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

You are right about that, which stage did he left in Tour 2007? I guess it was 10 or 11

I seemed to remember an episode when he threw his bike over the guard-rail in fury. Can anyone track down a video of that on Youtube?

 

[Parrulo]

Congratulations to Guardini! I'm really glad to see another sprinter emerge who can potentially make sprinting more interesting, rather than simply a competition for Cavendish's scraps.

That said, there are some extremely stupid comments in this thread about how one loss shows that Cavendish has "lost it" or that there's a new "fastest man". Cavendish had a bad day at the office, and Guardini a great one. That's nice to see, but this is sprinting, not boxing. You don't displace the king with one sprint win. You displace the king by beating him over and over and over. Cavendish lets remember, is even in this Giro beating Guardini three to one. I think that today might be the first race with Cavendish in it that Guardini has ever won.

Guardini showed very encouraging raw speed today.

failing to detect the joking on my "the king is dead, long live the king" post much?

 

[Caruut]

Freire sucks at short stages though He needs at least 230 kms or something

That's what I mean - the longer the stage is, the better Freire gets, compared to every else, and the worse riders like Bos and Guardini get. Presumably Chris Hoy gets worse in longer stages too. Can you imagine trying to get those thighs up a mountain?

 

[burning]

That's what I mean - the longer the stage is, the better Freire gets, compared to every else, and the worse riders like Bos and Guardini get. Presumably Chris Hoy gets worse in longer stages too. Can you imagine trying to get those thighs up a mountain?

He will just have a heart attack probably

 

[Caruut]

I can't understand why Cavendish's team have never just got a soigneur at the finish waiting to grab him, take him away for 5 minutes and let him calm down before anyone sticks a mic in his face.

 

[Boardslide]

I think this quote is spot on.

Daniel Friebe ‏@friebos

The day that Mark Cavendish stops getting upset about losing will be the day when he loses his edge

 

[cineteq]

I think this quote is spot on.

Daniel Friebe ‏@friebos

The day that Mark Cavendish stops getting upset about losing will be the day when he loses his edge

I think JJ Rojas' is better:
@jjrojillas
Al igual que hay que saber ganar, hay que saber perder...

 

[Panda Claws]

I think JJ Rojas' is better:
@jjrojillas
Al igual que hay que saber ganar, hay que saber perder...

Sure, that is perfectly understandable.

 

[ParfaitAmour]

Cav might be a sore loser but he must know he can't blame Guardini.

Better to be angry and second, than a quitter... like some others this week.

 

[hrotha]

You can be very upset on the inside, but taking it on innocent bystanders (if that's what happened today at all) is not cool. Not being a jerk is not at odds with being upset when you lose and striving to do better all the time.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

I think JJ Rojas' is better:
@jjrojillas
Al igual que hay que saber ganar, hay que saber perder...

He's an expert on that.

 

[goggalor]

I think this quote is spot on.

Daniel Friebe ‏@friebos

The day that Mark Cavendish stops getting upset about losing will be the day when he loses his edge

I think he misses the point. Being upset about losing is fine, but being upset at the guy who beats you is just bratty.

 

[Parrulo]

You can be very upset on the inside, but taking it on innocent bystanders (if that's what happened today at all) is not cool. Not being a jerk is not at odds with being upset when you lose and striving to do better all the time.

indeed, he can be furious at itself but he doesn't need to take his frustrations on guardini.

 

[dlwssonic]

Yes nice win by Guardini.
Very refreshing to see someone beat cav once in a while.
Glad I had Guardini in my cq at least he got a stage.