I hadn't realise he was as lowly rated as Brad on 300m 15% wall (which was the section Brad made up most of his places - I can not comment on Bobby).
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+1DominicDecoco said:Someone needs to read more books about cycling.
Libertine Seguros said:Knees I understand - tough rouleur who can get over some hills, could help Froome back on the false flat, but expendable from Wiggins' point of view. Porte is a surprise.
Normandy said:+1
I assume as there are so many posters writing similar comments they are either paid up members of Sky fan club or work for Sky PR, and are out to discreedit Sagan, a new boy on the block who is a threat to Cavendish
Sagan has won most of his victories with minimum assistance from team mates (unlike Cavendish or needs 8 helpers to win)
Sagan has worked for his wins, quite often from a long way out (TdS 2011) unlike Cavendish who only moves to the front 20m from the line.
Sagan has won different types of races unlike Cavendish
Sagan's victory celebration was tame compared to most of Cavenfish's over the top arrogant celebrations.
Sagan is an exciting new young rider, skilful, full of enthusiasm and tactically astute
El Pistolero said:I bet that's the only example you can come up with.
Ps: Sagan relies on other teams to do the work for him like Lotto today.
Pentacycle said:Liquigas has worked for him countless times. The thing is that you think he's profiting from Lotto, while in fact Lotto is making the mistake by riding for an off-form Vanendert.
la.margna said:very good! btw, Michigan rocks, particularly the lake and Chicago!
El Pistolero said:Lotto can make a mistake and Sagan can still benefit from it. He did today.
Sky has also worked for Cav countless of times. What's your point?
Waterloo Sunrise said:Maybe Fabian's finally getting sick of being other people's *****. He just retweeted -
Todd Hollenshead@Thollenshead
Sagan won #tdf stage 2 but @f_cancellara was the strongest. I'm calling a win like that #weaksauce for not taking a pull in the last 2K.
Angliru said:The climb started with about a little more than 1k to go.
Pentacycle said:My point is that you accuse Sagan of benefiting off other teams' work. That's quite strange, since Belgians should know all about profiting, and even more about forgetting about it later.
Have you seen the stage of the Tour 1995 Bruyneel won against Indurain?(saw it for the first time today) This year his victory has been recalled several times, but no one(at least Belgians) has said that he sat in Indurains wheel for the final 30 kms, and still could barely outsprint him. And now you're accusing Sagan of profiting off other riders?
Bruyneel was smart that day, while he was covered by Jalabert in the group behind him, so he didn't have to take a turn to build up a lead with Indurain. It's just part of cycling, Sagan's just already a very mature rider, knowing Cancellara wanted to extend his lead, while he would always win the stage no matter what he did.
Belgians seem tho whine continuously about other rider's wheel sucking and profiting, while forgetting how their 'own' riders win races.
Panda Claws said:Awful example as not a single Belgian likes Bruyneel or cares about his achievements.
El Pistolero said:I bet that's the only example you can come up with.
Ps: Sagan relies on other teams to do the work for him like Lotto today.
ggusta said:I really don't understand the insult to the rider's integrity when you state he benefits from other teams' work. I call that using your head.
He's certainly not the first last nor best at it as far as I know, but please educate me as to what is wrong with it or poor sportsmanship from the rider's perspective.
El Pistolero said:I'm not insulting him. I'm saying that he rarely does things all by him self. He almost always relies on his or someone else's team. Just look at California, Suisse, Oman, etc. He regularly benefits from the work of other teams.
Only thing I can educate you on is reading I guess. Don't think I ever said something about poor sportsmanship - except for his arrogant victory salute.
trevim said:I find it funny that people complain about Sagan wheelsucking. Cancellara is the one that should have learned by now when to stop if he doesn't want to give away victories: this year's San Remo, Flanders 2011, now today again. He needs to choose, either he pulls and risks losing the sprint or he stops and attacks again and risks be caught.
About Lotto working for Sagan: whose fault is that? It wasn't Liquigas that made them ride at the front with no purpose. It isn't the nicest way to win but it's completely fair.
williamp78 said:But what if someone goes with him who is a danger to wiggo on the GC? Wiggo just sits in and let the other teams work and follows their wheels?
I just don't see Brailsord and Yates taking that gamble. A few too many unknowns compared to having a dominant train ahead of wiggo
El Pistolero said:I did not blame Sagan for anything if you're talking about me. Just pointing out that he doesn't do all on him self... No need to exaggerate his already amazing achievements.
El Pistolero said:I'm not insulting him. I'm saying that he rarely does things all by him self. He almost always relies on his or someone else's team. Just look at California, Suisse, Oman, etc. He regularly benefits from the work of other teams.
Only thing I can educate you on is reading I guess. Don't think I ever said something about poor sportsmanship - except for his arrogant victory salute.