2013 Giro D'Italia Field Discussion

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

He did beat worlds number 1 last year, the same one who threatened Contador in the vuelta.

Just saying. I don't think Hesjedal is any worse than Nibali uphill or against the clock. And I think Hesjedal's 3rd week recovery is way better, he always seems great there. Wiggins will be hard to beat though if he's near TDF 2012 form

Nibbles is a crafty rider, I rate his ability to find time in opportunistic scenarios and the giro generally provides these chances more so then the tour and vuelta.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

i'm looking all over this startlist and i can't find a rider who will lose less than 3 minutes to wiggo on the long ITT, can you help me?

durbridge maybe tuft but i doubt it...

I think there will be quite a few. More than a handful, I'm guessing. Phinney without any trouble, as mentioned, but guys like Evans should stay within 2:30 - 3:00.

 

[Ferminal]

Cataldo, Sanchez, Evans, Kessiakoff, Nibali. Maybe a couple of those.

Probably too hilly for Phinney, though the winding road may help him.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Not sure if Sir Wiggo's helpers will be allowed to go full gas, but Siutsou could surprise as well.

 

[maxmartin]

Not sure if Sir Wiggo's helpers will be allowed to go full gas, but Siutsou could surprise as well.

why not? If W can pull off quite a big advantage after TT.

 

[will10]

He did beat worlds number 1 last year, the same one who threatened Contador in the vuelta.

Just saying. I don't think Hesjedal is any worse than Nibali uphill or against the clock. And I think Hesjedal's 3rd week recovery is way better, he always seems great there. Wiggins will be hard to beat though if he's near TDF 2012 form

+1

No wait, +2. At least 2. Good post Rubinho.

 

[manafana]

+1

No wait, +2. At least 2. Good post Rubinho.

Not sure, j.rod came into this with little riding on italian roads, and he hadnt sdone that much rac, hesjedal had, nibali will not the roads well, and is better climber on steep stuff and a much greater threat than purito was because of his solid tt and more rounding climbing skills.

 

[greenedge]

From the Official Giro App:
Garmin: Hesjedal, Danielson, Dekker, Haas, Howes, Hunter, Millar, Stetina, Vandevelde.

BMC: Evans, Cummings, Lodewyck, Morabito, Oss, Phinney, Santaromita, Van Avermaet, Wyss.

Strong teams that can capitalise on Sky/ Astana working. Cummings, Morabito and Santa can provide good support- while Lodewyck also rode well at Oman. For Garmin Danielson and Steitna should be good (no idea about CVV, though he did well last year) but they could have had a truly awesome team with Talansky and Martin supporting too.
Why Hunter?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

i'm looking all over this startlist and i can't find a rider who will lose less than 3 minutes to wiggo on the long ITT, can you help me?

durbridge maybe tuft but i doubt it...

Kessiakoff will beat Wiggo with 3+ min, so I can't see anyone inside 6min of Kess

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Cataldo, Sanchez, Evans, Kessiakoff, Nibali. Maybe a couple of those.

Probably too hilly for Phinney, though the winding road may help him.

Worlds '12 TT was somewhat hilly as well. Result:

1. MARTIN Tony OPQ 58'38" 250
2. PHINNEY Taylor BMC 05" 150
3. KIRYIENKA Vasil MOV 01'44" 120
4. VAN GARDEREN Tejay BMC 01'49" 108
5. KESSIAKOFF Fredrik AST 01'50" 96
6. GRUZDEV Dmitriy AST 01'56" 84

I think Phinney will be close to Wiggins.

 

[theyoungest]

Not sure, j.rod came into this with little riding on italian roads, and he hadnt sdone that much rac, hesjedal had, nibali will not the roads well, and is better climber on steep stuff and a much greater threat than purito was because of his solid tt and more rounding climbing skills.

Why on earth is Nibali a better climber on steep stuff? In fact that's where he was in most trouble in previous Giros. And Hesjedal rode away from everyone on the Pampeago.

Hesjedal is as good as anyone in the final week. The first week may be the problem, with the long TT appearing probably a bit too early for his liking.

 

[taiwan]

i'm looking all over this startlist and i can't find a rider who will lose less than 3 minutes to wiggo on the long ITT, can you help me?

durbridge maybe tuft but i doubt it...

Not in the GC at least. Other than those already mentioned: Sergeant, Tuft, Gretsch, Millar might pull out a good long TT.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

why not? If W can pull off quite a big advantage after TT.

To keep them fresh for what's still to come. Like they did with Porte and Boasson Hagen in last year's TDF.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

To keep them fresh for what's still to come. Like they did with Porte and Boasson Hagen in last year's TDF.

Stage 19 TDF, 53km TT. Result:

GBR 1 WIGGINS, Bradley (SKY PROCYCLING) 1:04:13
GBR 2 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING) + 1:16
ESP 3 SANCHEZ GIL, Luis Leon (RABOBANK) + 1:50
SVK 4 VELITS, Peter (OMEGA PHARMA-QUICKSTEP) + 2:02
AUS 5 PORTE, Richie (SKY PROCYCLING) + 2:25
GER 6 GRETSCH, Patrick (ARGOS-SHIMANO) + 2:28
USA 7 VAN GARDEREN, Tejay (BMC RACING) + 2:34

Porte went pretty fast, but it was before the Champs showdown so it perhaps it can't be used much.

 

[Ferminal]

Worlds '12 TT was somewhat hilly as well. Result:

1. MARTIN Tony OPQ 58'38" 250
2. PHINNEY Taylor BMC 05" 150
3. KIRYIENKA Vasil MOV 01'44" 120
4. VAN GARDEREN Tejay BMC 01'49" 108
5. KESSIAKOFF Fredrik AST 01'50" 96
6. GRUZDEV Dmitriy AST 01'56" 84

I think Phinney will be close to Wiggins.

Where is Wiggins there?

Phinney will be >2mins, lock it in.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Not in the GC at least.

I don't think the gaps will be quite as huge as most seem to think. Evans was well within 2 minutes of Wiggins in last year's Dauphine TT, which was about as long. This one is harder, obviously (but it's not that hard apart from the uphill finish), so I expect the gaps to be bigger, but it's also more technical in parts.

 

[search]

but it's not that hard apart from the uphill finish

that's not true, the first half is extremely demanding, physically ane mentally, you need to be patient all the time. Lots of guys will be exhausted afterwards and lose minutes on the flat.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Where is Wiggins there?

Phinney will be >2mins, lock it in.

No faith in the heavy boy.

 

[Ferminal]

No faith in the heavy boy.

I still think he will do best out of the young specialists Sergent/Durbridge/Boaro.

 

[taiwan]

I don't think the gaps will be quite as huge as most seem to think. Evans was well within 2 minutes of Wiggins in last year's Dauphine TT, which was about as long. This one is harder, obviously (but it's not that hard apart from the uphill finish), so I expect the gaps to be bigger, but it's also more technical in parts.

That's a fair example. With it being early in the race the gaps in the long TT could be less severe also. On the other hand that's where Wiggins will need to win the race so he might be going balls out.

Interesting that Kelderman was 4th in that 53km Dauphinee chrono and is just coming off a 5th in the Tour of Romandie But I'm late on that bandwagon.

Anyone got a good result for a very long TT for Nibali or Hesjedal? Not looking that good for them on that stage.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

that's not true, the first half is extremely demanding, physically ane mentally, you need to be patient all the time. Lots of guys will be exhausted afterwards and lose minutes on the flat.

You're overstating things. For many guys the "extremely demanding" first part may be preferable to straight roads with a similar topographical profile.



I don't think guys like Evans, Hesjedal, Nibali, Sanchez, Scarponi, etc. will be at a disadvantage there, compared to the alternative.

Basso? Yeah... he is ****ed.

 

[theyoungest]

You're overstating things. For many guys the "extremely demanding" first part may be preferable to straight roads with a similar topographical profile.

Preferable physically, maybe. But time trialing is also an excercise in focus, and that's definitely more demanding for some.

 

[Netserk]

The first part is an advantage to Nibali. Ofc he will lose time there, but less than he would if the road was flat and straight. (To Wiggo that is)

 

[theyoungest]

The first part is an advantage to Nibali. Ofc he will lose time there, but less than he would if the road was flat and straight. (To Wiggo that is)

Indeed. That's probably also why it's there

 

[manafana]

Keldermann is a real talent and was one of the 5 riders to watch who had yet to win world tour race, him and betancur are truely delivering.