2013 Giro D'Italia, Stage 4: Policastro Bussentino - Serra San Bruno

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maxmartin

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Eshnar said:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/race-jury-explains-wiggins-giro-stage-4-time-loss_285496
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“Wiggins was already behind at three kilometers [to go],” said Brocque. “After the last 3km, we had all the time checks thanks to the transponders. We saw who crashed. We had the time at the 3K and finish, and we gave back the time to those that were left behind.”

Are they saying W is not delayed at all by the accident?:eek:

Others should smell the blood, more fantastic racing is ahead of us.
 
DiscoPants

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goggalor said:
Yup, you can see Wiggo isolated at the back of the peloton here, 2.6 km from the finish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vSmKolR19Kc#t=152s

Looks like Sky ****ed up.
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That is a pretty big foul up by Sky if it wasn't by design, I can only assume that he chose to hang back to avoid a pile up, and would rather lose a few seconds than break a collarbone?

If he was dropped then where is the communication? With 3 kms to go they had time to bring a few team mates back to carry him forward, at least help him finish alongside the other GC riders.

If it was just through carelessness and a lack of concentration, then where is his head? It's quite out of character, and surely he is experienced enough to know that that was a crappy place to be on a run in like today, you can lose the Giro by throwing away seconds like that.

EDIT: Or, obviously the other possibility is that he didn't have the legs to hang on today, which would be a pretty bad sign for Sky.
 
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maxmartin said:
“Wiggins was already behind at three kilometers [to go],” said Brocque. “After the last 3km, we had all the time checks thanks to the transponders. We saw who crashed. We had the time at the 3K and finish, and we gave back the time to those that were left behind.”

Are they saying W is not delayed at all by the accident?:eek:

Others should smell the blood, more fantastic racing is ahead of us.
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That's what it sounds like, assuming "was already behind" means "there was a gap in front of him".
 
hfer07

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after the clarification on Wiggo's time- I have to say this matter is only going to contribute a lot to the race's spectacle, because now we can see a more aggressive SKY-not playing defensively but rather be forced to attack-and that's when Wiggo "must" show his entire arsenal-not only in the ITT, but in the mountains & most of all during those transition stages where he's shown lack of concentration....
 
maxmartin

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JRanton said:
Communication was always going to be an issue with the two Colombians being Wiggins' last men...

But if he's getting dropped on a stage like that, then it was probably right to stay where they were.
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Yep if without health issue, getting dropped on this slope makes the chance of winning Giro close to zero.
 
Eshnar

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hfer07 said:
after the clarification on Wiggo's time- I have to say this matter is only going to contribute a lot to the race's spectacle, because now we can see a more aggressive SKY-not playing defensively but rather be forced to attack-and that's when Wiggo "must" show his entire arsenal-not only in the ITT, but in the mountains & most of all-those transition stages where he's shown lack of concentration....
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why should Sky attack? Wiggo still has the ITT
 
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maxmartin said:
Yep if without health issue, getting dropped on this slope makes the chance of winning Giro close to zero.
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Definitely. And on stage 7 we will find out for sure what his condition is like. To be honest even in his best shape you could see Wiggins losing quite a bit of time on that stage, but in bad shape he will lose any chance of winning the Giro for sure..
 
the sceptic

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hfer07 said:
after the clarification on Wiggo's time- I have to say this matter is only going to contribute a lot to the race's spectacle, because now we can see a more aggressive SKY-not playing defensively but rather be forced to attack-and that's when Wiggo "must" show his entire arsenal-not only in the ITT, but in the mountains & most of all-those transition stages where he's shown lack of concentration....
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This doesnt change anything for sky imo. Wiggins will still take 2+ minutes on all his rivals in the ITT
 
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JRanton said:
Communication was always going to be an issue with the two Colombians being Wiggins' last men...

But if he's getting dropped on a stage like that, then it was probably right to stay where they were.
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Are you trolling or hyperventilating?

He moved to the back on a fast wet run in - you're making it sound like he was dropped on a climb with a 50 man peloton. Did you expect him to be smiling for the camera on the climb in the rain?
 
maxmartin

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the sceptic said:
This doesnt change anything for sky imo. Wiggins will still take 2+ minutes on all his rivals in the ITT
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you are assuming he is in a very good condition, that is the big question mark right now after today? Maybe just bad luck, maybe his carelessness? maybe he is weak just couldn't pedal through? We just don't know right now. Stage 7 probably will give a clear answer.
 
Bala Verde

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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Are you trolling or hyperventilating?

He moved to the back on a fast wet run in - you're making it sound like he was dropped on a climb with a 50 man peloton. Did you expect him to be smiling for the camera on the climb in the rain?
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A Brit not liking the rain...?
 
The Hitch

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maxmartin said:
Yep if without health issue, getting dropped on this slope makes the chance of winning Giro close to zero.
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I remember Hejsedal got dropped on an uphill finish last year, was very vulnerable and could have been killed off if they wanted to.

Come the dolomites he was as strong as anyone.

Wiggins said a few days ago team numbers show he's better than before the tour last year. While he is hardly someone who has any reservations about lying, it would be pointless in this case to claim to be in the form of your life if you've got nothing.
 
Escarabajo

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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Are you trolling or hyperventilating?

He moved to the back on a fast wet run in - you're making it sound like he was dropped on a climb with a 50 man peloton. Did you expect him to be smiling for the camera on the climb in the rain?
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No. But he should not be at the back.
 
hfer07

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the sceptic said:
This doesnt change anything for sky imo. Wiggins will still take 2+ minutes on all his rivals in the ITT
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Eshnar said:
why should Sky attack? Wiggo still has the ITT
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But has he?? nothing is set on stone-plus folks here aren't looking in detail the ITT route with all the amount of turns during the first 3/4 of the length plus the hills- which isn't quite of his liking-but then- he should have been 2 minutes ahead after the TTT, right? ;)

there is so much race ahead for Wiggo & Co. to be just fixed on one single stage as the main card to win Il Giro... ;)
 
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Escarabajo said:
No. But he should not be at the back.
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I think you misunderstand - JRanton started running his mouth about Wiggins looking bad earlier in the stage, when he was climbing right at the front.

He moved to the back after the climb, because he clearly didn't fancy taking the corners quickly after the top. You can make perfectly good cases that that isn't a good thing, but I'm not convinced it tells us a thing about his legs.
 
Eshnar

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hfer07 said:
But has he?? nothing is set on stone-plus people aren't looking in detail the ITT route with all the amount of turns during the first 3/4 of the length plus the hills- which isn't quite of his preference-but hey- he should have been 2 minutes ahead after the TTT, right? ;)

there is so much race ahead to be just fixed on one single stage as the main card to win Il Giro... ;)
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Even at 50% Wiggo will be in pink after stage 8. No matter the gap.
After that, Sky will only need to defend, especially if Wiggo is not in shape...
 
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