2013 Giro d'Italia Stage 9: Sansepolcro - Firenze 170 km

[Magnus]

Yes. Loosing 1 second per hairpin (nothing unusual) he'll get to the bottom 48 seconds late.

Really? You got any data to back this up?

I'd guess it would be hard to take time of someone through a hairpin if they're on your wheel, since it's pretty easy to judge hairpins compared to 'blind' corners where it's difficult to see before you're in it where it is going.

 

[Cyclspotting]

Another great ride from Kangert once again, he is now 10th overall. I wonder what Nibali told him at one point when Kangert was leading the peloton. Propably just to slow down as all the other Astana riders started to drop.

And Wiggins is either underachieving massively or just not in-form at the moment.

 

[Hugo87]

Weening tanked the stage, to get freedom for a breakaway mountain stage and consequently winning the stage.

 

[jens_attacks]

lol at magnus

you do realize that you can take hairpins at different speed?

nibali can take one minute there and if it's wet and wiggo is still shiit scared, more than two

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Another great ride from Kangert once again, he is now 10th overall. I wonder what Nibali told him at one point when Kangert was leading the peloton. Propably just to slow down as all the other Astana riders started to drop.

Nibs told the Rai that he yelled for Kangert to slow down because the only other Astana in the group was dropping. That Astana still dropped later.

 

[jens_attacks]

nice gesture

laurent pichon invited to processo

 

[jamesmasters]

Probably the Astana riders' crash put Nibali off a bit. Scarponi's not the best descender put there, is he?

Nibali has to take his best opportunities to put time into his main rivals. The question is - which is the best opportunity to put time into Wiggins?

1 Slippery, treacherous descents where he obviously cannot keep up?

2 Trying your luck vs the Skyborg train in the mountains?

3 Maybe the time trials?

Today they were handed option (1) on a golden platter but seemed to decide that it didn't look so good and they would rather go with (2). Seems stupid to me.

Astana should have attacked hard on the final climb and left the peloton behind.

 

[maxmartin]

Nibs told the Rai that he yelled for Kangert to slow down because the only other Astana in the group was dropping. That Astana still dropped later.

But at least they get rid of previous winner, so one less person to worry about

 

[maltiv]

Will be difficult to beat Nibali when he has such a strong helper as Kangert...wow! Incredible effort.

Great to see Betancur taking some time back, even if it happened in the most embarrassing manner

 

[The Hitch]

Garmin obviously want to copy Sky tactics but went for the 2010 TDF variant.

Sky 2010 tactics were exactly the same as 2012 and 13, they just found that absolutely no one got dropped from the group instead of 90% of the peloton.

 

[icefire]

Really? You got any data to back this up?

I'd guess it would be hard to take time of someone through a hairpin if they're on your wheel, since it's pretty easy to judge hairpins compared to 'blind' corners where it's difficult to see before you're in it where it is going.

Last Friday RAI made some comparisons of the cornering of Nibali vs Wiggins, They've done in the past something similar. I rewatched yesterday the descend of Pordoi in the Giro 2002 and the comparison between Savoldelli and the rest (Caucchiolli was ahead, Evans, Frigo, Gárate and Hamilton behind) was very telling. A good descender can take more than 1 second per corner on a bad one.

 

[Jelantik]

Nibs told the Rai that he yelled for Kangert to slow down because the only other Astana in the group was dropping. That Astana still dropped later.

Lol.. Tangert is a beast. I hope he'll be up there with nibali all the time.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Nibs told the Rai that he yelled for Kangert to slow down because the only other Astana in the group was dropping. That Astana still dropped later.

this is where Lampre, BMC and Blanco should have stepped forward. Missed opportunity, still a few GC guys were dropped a bit today anyway.

 

[Cyclspotting]

Nibs told the Rai that he yelled for Kangert to slow down because the only other Astana in the group was dropping. That Astana still dropped later.

That's what I thought, thanks!

 

[maxmartin]

Nibali has to take his best opportunities to put time into his main rivals. The question is - which is the best opportunity to put time into Wiggins?

1 Slippery, treacherous descents where he obviously cannot keep up?

2 Trying your luck vs the Skyborg train in the mountains?

3 Maybe the time trials?

Today they were handed option (1) on a golden platter but seemed to decide that it didn't look so good and they would rather go with (2). Seems stupid to me.

Astana should have attacked hard on the final climb and left the peloton behind.

puff, Wiggins is no Contador, he can't drop Nibali in his hey days, what makes you think he can do it now when he is obviously not at his best?

 

[Jelantik]

Last Friday RAI made some comparisons of the cornering of Nibali vs Wiggins, They've done in the past something similar. I rewatched yesterday the descend of Pordoi in the Giro 2002 and the comparison between Savoldelli and the rest (Caucchiolli was ahead, Evans, Frigo, Gárate and Hamilton behind) was very telling. A good descender can take more than 1 second per corner on a bad one.

so what's the result of the comparison between wiggins and nibali? Not that we need to see the number, the visual is already very telling

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Sky 2010 tactics were exactly the same as 2012 and 13, they just found that absolutely no one got dropped from the group instead of 90% of the peloton.

On the first mountain stage they set a hard pace, dropped Lance, and then dropped Brad.

 

[whittashau]

Of course, If its dry he may lose 20 seconds or so but he will have his mountain train with him and they are more likely to put Nibali under pressure when it goes seriously uphill.

20 seconds? You realize Nibali probably picked up about a minute on Wiggins in the time-trial from the descents, right? Yet he'd only pick up 20 seconds on the Stelvio descent? Come back after you've actually thought about this.

 

[Magnus]

lol at magnus

you do realize that you can take hairpins at different speed?

Sure I realize that.

But of all the descends in the world I wouldn't say that Stelvio->Prato is the most difficult one, because most of it is on reasonable roads with good visibility and very few turns that are hard to read.

 

[brilleaben]

Stage reminded me of last year, where they could have put the hammer down and dropped Hesjedal on one of the medium mo stages. Could end up paying for it

 

[the asian]

Sure I realize that.

But of all the descends in the world I wouldn't say that Stelvio->Prato is the most difficult one, because most of it is on reasonable roads with good visibility and very few turns that are hard to read.

We'll see. If Wiggins descends like he did on the TT stage he'll lose more than 2 minutes in the Stelvio descent.

 

[icefire]

Sure I realize that.

But of all the descends in the world I wouldn't say that Stelvio->Prato is the most difficult one, because most of it is on reasonable roads with good visibility and very few turns that are hard to read.

Most of the corners in the descend of Finestre have good visibility. 2005 anyone?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Pirazzi takes over KOM jersey:

1 PIRAZZI Stefano ITA BAR 38
2 CHALAPUD GOMEZ Robinson Edua COL COL 23
3 VISCONTI Giovanni ITA MOV 16
4 SELLA Emanuele ITA AND 13
5 BELKOV Maxim RUS KAT 13
6 HANSEN Adam AUS LTB 12
7 PANTANO Jarlinson COL COL 12
8 WAUTERS Willem BEL VCD 9
9 DI LUCA Danilo ITA VIN 5
10 BOARO Manuele ITA TST 5

Racing like crazy, but glad to see he finally got something out of it.

 

[Magnus]

We'll see. If Wiggins descends like he did on the TT stage he'll lose more than 2 minutes in the Stelvio descent.

I just think that, for instance, the Giau descent would be better suited for a shark attack. But yeah, we'll see.

 

[Magnus]

Most of the corners in the descend of Finestre have good visibility. 2005 anyone?

But isn't the road very narrow? And lots of tricky, non-hairpin turns?