2013 Vuelta a España CQ game

[the asian]

Sad news with the replacement of Renshaw in the Belkin squad. I was betting on Renshaw after his impressive return to form in Eneco tour.

One man's replacement created a cascade of 3 changes for the team, and now dont really have a gauranteed top-10 sprinter now.

No need to have a sprinter. There aren't many sprint stages in the Vuelta.

 

[Afrank]

No need to have a sprinter. There aren't many sprint stages in the Vuelta.

Ah, but with the low-quality field of sprinters, your in for some good points if you pick the right sprinter. That is, the one that can do a degenkolb-like performance. I hope I picked right.

 

[murali]

There are 7 stages where sprinters can earn points. And, all we need is a sprinter who can earn some points in all the 7 sprints, plus probably one or two stage wins. Points from the point classification will also come. At least, that is my logic for a sprinter. If the choice is correctly made @100 pts min, and upto 500 pts if the choice is good.

Also, there are only a few sprinters that come cheap. Degenkolb was costly. Degenkolb earned just 400 pts, and his cost was 700+ last year.

 

[murali]

Just now read in a post in another thread:

Betancur says the leader is Pozzovivo: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=1880861&s=otr&type=column

Betancur is sick.

 

[search]

he was

.........

 

[murali]

Heard another sickness news regarding Theo Bos.


Why can't the cycling news sites maintain a single listing of all the sick riders?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The teams
18-Valve. (pithy)
NIBALI Vincenzo
POZZOVIVO Domenico
BASSO Ivan
ARROYO DURAN David
VANENDERT Jelle
HENDERSON Gregory
SCHORN Daniel
BROWN Graeme
CAMAÑO ORTUZAR Iker


Afrank
NIBALI Vincenzo
BASSO Ivan
CARDOSO Andre Fernando Santos Martins
MATTHEWS Michael
ARROYO DURAN David
MONDORY Lloyd
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
LANDER Sebastian

Al Pacino
NIBALI Vincenzo
BASSO Ivan
PETIT Adrien
ARROYO David
ZUBELDIA Haimar
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
BOIVIN Guillaume
DE LA CRUZ David

Armchair Cyclist
Henao
Betancur
Arroyo
Zubeldia
Brajkovic
Pinotti
Mondory
J Vanendert
Anacona


Batchuba
BETANCUR Carlos Alberto
FARRAR Tyler
PINOT Thibault
BASSO Ivan
CAPECCHI Eros
HORNER Chris
MATTHEWS Michael
ARROYO David
HENDERSON Gregory

Blues in the Bottle
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
BUSCHE Matthew
FARRAR Tyler
MATTHEWS Michael
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
VALLS FERRI Rafael
COOKE Baden


Comodoro
BASSO Ivan
SANCHEZ Luis Leon
POELS Wout
ANACONA Winner
EIJSSEN Yannick
SANCHEZ Samuel
URAN Rigoberto
HORNER Chris
HOWES Alex

CQ Manager
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
NOCENTINI Rinaldo
BUSCHE Matthew
TXURRUKA ANSOLA Amets
COPPEL Jérôme
ARROYO DURAN David
HUZARSKI Bartosz
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
GUTIERREZ PALACIOS Jose Ivan


Cyivel
NIBALI Vincenzo
BASSO Ivan
MATTHEWS Michael
KÖNIG Leopold
ARROYO DURAN David
JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
LANDER Sebastian

DB Coop
Carlos Alberto Betancur
Dominico Pozzovivo
Mikel Nieve
Chris Anker Sorensen
Thomas DeGendt
Jerome Coppel
Haimar Zubeldia
Janez Brajkovic
Jelle VanEndert


Evans Is The Best
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
PINOT Thibaut
BASSO Ivan
DE GENDT Thomas
COURTEILLE Arnaud
VANOTTI Alessandro
STAMSNIJDER Tom
CAMAÑO ORTUZAR Iker

Geraint Too Fast
NIBALI Vincenzo
POZZOVIVO Domenico
BASSO Ivan
RATTO Daniele
TIRALONGO Paolo
MONTAGUTI Matteo
BONO Matteo
DODI Luca
VANOTTI Alessandro

Gotland
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
MAJKA Rafal
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
BASSO Ivan
LANDA MEANA Mikel
DE GENDT Thomas
BRAJKOVIC Janez
VANENDERT Jelle


HilltopFinisher
GILBERT Philippe
POZZOVIVO Domenico
PINOT Thibaut
POELS Wout
HORNER Chris
COPPEL Jérôme
PINOTTI Marco
VANENDERT Jelle
VAN DER SANDE Tosh

Jakob747
Sergio Luis Henao
Daniel Martin
Warren Barguil
Kenny Elissonde
Pieter Serry
Winner Anacona
Yannick Eijssen
David de la Cruz
Arnaud Courteille

Jancouver
NIBALI Vincenzo
URAN URAN Rigoberto
KÖNIG Leopold
FAIRLY Caleb
LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo
SZMYD Sylwester
BONO Matteo *
KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy
LANDER Sebastian *
*Bono replaces Vigano, and Lander replaces Canuti, neither of whom are riding

JPettersen
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
MAJKA Rafal
PINOT Thibaut
BASSO Ivan
ARROYO DURAN David
ZANDIO ECHAIDE Xabier
STAMSNIJDER Tom
LANDER Sebastian

Just Some Guy
HENAO Sergio Luis
BETANCUR Carlos Alberto
HORNER Chris
MATTHEWS Michael
ARROYO David
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA Winner
DE LA CRUZ David
PETERSON Tom

Karbonkel
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
POZZOVIVO Domenico
PINOT Thibaut
FARRAR Tyler
BRAJKOVIC Janez
ARNDT Nikias
JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt
VANENDERT Jelle
NUYENS Nick

Karlboss
Nibali
LL Sanchez
Basso
Matthews
Arroyo
henderson
van der sande
nuyens
kozontchuk


Kazistuta
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
PINOT Thibaut
FARRAR Tyler
BASSO Ivan
KISERLOVSKI Robert
MATTHEWS Michael
BOLE Grega
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew

Keith James Mc
arroyo
majka
sammy sanchez
poels
horner
stybar
basso
hansen
vansummeren

Leadbelly
NIBALI Vincenzo
BETANCUR Carlos Alberto
MATTHEWS Michael
VANENDERT Jelle
SCHORN Daniel
BESSY Cyril
STAMSNIJDER Tom
CAMANO Iker
LANDER Sebastian


LightBing
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel
PINOT Thibaut
DE CLERCQ Bart
MARKUS Barry
ARROYO DURAN David
BRAJKOVIC Janez
HOWES Alex
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew


Maaaaaaaarten
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim
GARATE CEPA Juan Manuel
EIJSSEN Yannick
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
VANENDERT Jelle
PETERSON Thomas
VALLS FERRI Rafael
ARROYO DURAN David
KOHLER Martin

MC Mountain
MEERSMAN Gianni
MAJKA Rafal
ROCHE Nicolas
PINOT Thibaut
POELS Wout
SANTAROMITA Ivan
KISERLOVSKI Robert
COPPEL Jérôme
VANENDERT Jelle

Mellow Velo
BETANCUR Carlos
SANCHEZ Samuel
SANCHEZ Luis Leon
BASSO Ivan
POELS Wout
ARROYO David
RATTO Daniele
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA Winner

Minessa
NIBALI Vincenzo
BASSO Ivan
ARROYO DURAN David
ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar
BRAJKOVIC Janez
ARNDT Nikias
MATE MARDONES Luis Angel
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew

Mkind07
Carlos Betancur
Ivan Basso
Simon Clarke
Chris Anker Sorensen
Mikel Landa
Leo Konig
David Arroyo
Chris Horner
Nikias Arndt

Murali
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
FUGLSANG Jakob
MEERSMAN Gianni
FENN Andrew
ARNDT Nikias
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
FERRARI BARCELO Fabricio
PINEAU Cédric
ARAMENDIA LLORENTE Francisco Javier

Mutschi
Betancur
Majka
LL Sanchez
Basso
Marczynski
Horner
de Gendt
Mate
van der Walle

Oliveira
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
URAN URAN Rigoberto
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
MATTHEWS Michael
ARROYO DURAN David
BOLE Grega
JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew

Pentacycle
MEERSMAN Gianni
MAJKA Rafal
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
PINOT Thibaut
MATTHEWS Michael
ARROYO DURAN David
ARNDT Nikias
SARMIENTO TUNARROSA Cayetano Jose

Search
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
POZZOVIVO Domenico
ROCHE Nicolas
KISERLOVSKI Robert
COPPEL Jérôme
KÖNIG Leopold
BRAJKOVIC Janez
HENDERSON Gregory
SCHORN Daniel

The Asian
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
VALLS FERRI Rafael
MONTAGUTI Matteo
PINEAU Cédric
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David
FERNANDEZ DE LARREA PEREZ Koldo
LANDER Sebastian

The Hitch
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
FARRAR Tyler
BASSO Ivan
LANDA MEANA Mikel
KISERLOVSKI Robert
HORNER Chris
MATTHEWS Michael
BARGUIL Warren
ARROYO DURAN David

Tuarts
NIBALI Vincenzo
PINOT Thibaut
KISERLOVSKI Robert
KÖNIG Leopold
BRAJKOVIC Janez
PINOTTI Marco
VANENDERT Jelle
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
LANDER Sebastian

Vitapen
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
PINOT Thibaut
BASSO Ivan
VANENDERT Jelle
LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo
SZMYD Sylwester
SCHORN Daniel
ARAMENDIA LLORENTE Francisco Javier

Vladimir
NIBALI Vincenzo
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor
FARRAR Tyler
NERZ Dominik
VANENDERT Jelle
VALLS FERRI Rafael
GARATE CEPA Juan Manuel
CHAINEL Steve
BROWN Graeme

Yellow Knight
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
MAJKA Rafal
BASSO Ivan
CAPECCHI Eros
CARDOSO Andre Fernando Santos Martins
MATTHEWS Michael
KÖNIG Leopold
ARROYO DURAN David
VANOTTI Alessandro

Zlev11
Betancur 1052
S. Sanchez 724
Majka 676
Capecchi 368
Konig 227
Brajkovic 178
Janse van Rensberg 162
Garate 87
Van de Walle 20

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The riders
On 21 teams (out of 41):VANENDERT Jelle
20 teams: ARROYO DURAN David, BASSO Ivan
17 teams: ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
16 teams: BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
13 teams: HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
12 teams: MATTHEWS Michael
11 teams: NIBALI Vincenzo, PINOT Thibaut
9 teams: BRAJKOVIC Janez
8 teams: HORNER Chris, MAJKA Rafal, SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
7 teams: KÖNIG Leopold, LANDER Sebastian, SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon
6 teams: FARRAR Tyler, POZZOVIVO Domenico
5 teams: ARNDT Nikias, KISERLOVSKI Robert, POELS Wout

4 teams: COPPEL Jérôme, DE GENDT Thomas, DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David, HENDERSON Gregory, JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt, NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel, SCHORN Daniel, VALLS FERRI Rafael, ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar

3 teams: CAMAÑO ORTUZAR Iker, CAPECCHI Eros, EIJSSEN Yannick, GARATE CEPA Juan Manuel, LANDA MEANA Mikel, MEERSMAN Gianni, PINOTTI Marco, STAMSNIJDER Tom, URAN URAN Rigoberto, VANOTTI Alessandro

2 teams: ARAMENDIA LLORENTE Francisco Javier, BARGUIL Warren, BOLE Grega, BONO Matteo, BROWN Graeme, BUSCHE Matthew, CARDOSO Andre Fernando Santos Martins, COURTEILLE Arnaud, HOWES Alex, KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy, LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo, MATE MARDONES Luis Angel, MONDORY Lloyd, MONTAGUTI Matteo, NUYENS Nick, PETERSON Thomas, PINEAU Cédric, RATTO Daniele, ROCHE Nicolas, SARMIENTO TUNARROSA Cayetano Jose, SØRENSEN Chris Anker, SZMYD Sylwester, VAN DE WALLE Jurgen, VAN DER SANDE Tosh

Unique picks: ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor, BESSY Cyril, BOIVIN Guillaume, CHAINEL Steve, CLARKE Simon, COOKE Baden, DE CLERCQ Bart, DODI Luca, ELISSONDE Kenny, FAIRLY Caleb, FENN Andrew, FERNANDEZ DE LARREA PEREZ Koldo, FERRARI BARCELO Fabricio, FUGLSANG Jakob, GILBERT Philippe, GUTIERREZ PALACIOS Jose Ivan, HANSEN Adam, HUZARSKI Bartosz, KOHLER Martin, MARCZYNSKI Tomasz, MARKUS Barry, MARTIN Daniel, NERZ Dominik, NOCENTINI Rinaldo, PETIT Adrien, RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim, SANTAROMITA Ivan, SERRY Pieter, STYBAR Zdenek, TIRALONGO Paolo, TXURRUKA ANSOLA Amets, VANSUMMEREN Johan, ZANDIO ECHAIDE Xabier

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Just realized you lost both of our CQ TDF avatar bets. I should start thinking about some saucy avatar for you

It was Taiwan who took you up on those bets.

 

[murali]

are the top-3 most common choices due to the cq cost or due to the riders capabilities?
Basso is the only rider costing 300+ points in the most popular set. 19+teams

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Originality
Lower score is more original: 9 unique picks would give a score of 9, everyone who picked Vanendert gets 21 points for him etc.

Jancouver 37
Jakob747 44
Murali 45
Geraint Too Fast 48
Vladimir 50
Search 54
The Asian 57
MC Mountain 58
CQ Manager 60
Zlev 11 60
Hilltop Finisher 61
Mutschi 68
DB Coop 70
Keith James Mc 72
Maaaaaaaarten 72
Pentacycle 72
Comodoro 73
Evans is the Best 75
Karbonkel 77
Leadbelly 78
Lightbing 78
Karlboss 80
Mkind07 82
Blues in the Bottle 84
Gotland 84
18-Valve 91
Tuarts 91
Vitapen 91
Yellow Knight 91
The Hitch 92
Jpettersen 94
Al Pacino 99
Batchuba 100
Oliveira 102
Armchair Cyclist 105
Kazistuta 107
Minessa 109
Afrank 112
Just Some Guy 113
Mellow Velo 116
Cyivel 119

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Jelle Vanendert is the most popular pick???

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

4 Unique picks: CQ Manager
3 unique picks: Jakob747, Keith James Mc, Murali, Vladimir
2 unique picks: Al Pacino, Geraint Too Fast, Lightbing, Maaaaaaaarten
1 unique pick: Blues in the Bottle, Hilltop Finisher, Jancouver, Jpettersen, Leadbelly, MC Mountain, Mkind07, Mutschi, The Asian

23 of us have no unique picks

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

We can't do a simple "collective wisdom" team: the top nine picks have a total price of 5909. If we leave in only the most popular of the 1000+ priced riders (Betancur, 16 picks) and take out Henao (13 picks) and Nibali (11 picks), we have 7 riders for 2523 points. To fill the roster of 9 riders we then take the next most popular (Brajovic, 9 picks) and one of the three riders who had 8 picks. Given that we collectively can afford the most expensive of those three, it would seem churlish not to do so, so we'll opt for Sam Sánchez over Majka and Horner, and we have a collective wisdom team that cost 3425 points (and scores 134 on the originality index).
Collective Wisdom team
VANENDERT Jelle
ARROYO David
BASSO Ivan
ANACONA Winner
BETANCUR Carlos
MATTHEWS Michael
PINOT Thibaut
BRAJKOVIC Janez
SANCHEZ Samuel

All of us bar Jancouver have a vested interest in the Collective team (and he would have done if Nibali wasn't priced out)

Afrank, Cyivel, Mellow Velo and Minessa have most members of that team, with 6 each; Geraint Too Fast, Jakob747, Murali, Search, Vladimir only have one of them.

 

[Cyivel]

Sickened by my lack of originality here.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Eggs in Baskets

Which teams have taken which expensive buys?

Rodriguez: Maaaaaaaarten
Nibali: Afrank, Cyivel, Minessa, Al Pacino, Leadbelly (all + Betancur), Jancouver ( + Uran), Tuarts, 18-Valve, Karlboss, Geraint Too Fast, Vladimir
Henao: Jakob747 (+ D Martin), Armchair Cyclist, Just Some Guy , Vitapen, Evans is the Best, The Asian (all + Betancur), Murali, Kazistuta, Blues in the Bottle, Lightbing , Karbonkel, CQ Manager, Search
Gilbert: Hilltop Finisher
Betancur: several already named, and also Oliveira (+ Uran), Mellow Velo, Batchuba, Jpettersen, The Hitch, Yellow Knight, DB Coop, Mkind07, Zlev 11, Mutschi
Uran: a couple already mentioned, + Comodoro
No real leader: Gotland, Keith James Mc, Pentacycle MC Mountain

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Stage 1

Team Time Trials usually allow a wide spread of points: all but two of the teams are off the mark at the earliest opportunity.

1 Tuarts 63
2 Minessa 62
3 Search 50
4 Armchair Cyclist 48
5 DB Coop 46
6 Zlev 11 39
7 Karbonkel 38
7 Lightbing 38
9 Gotland 36
10 Geraint Too Fast 34
11 Al Pacino 28
12 Murali 26
13 Jancouver 23
14 The Hitch 20
15 Cyivel 18
15 MC Mountain 18
17 18-Valve 17
17 Afrank 17
17 Karlboss 17
17 Keith James Mc 17
17 Leadbelly 17
17 Vladimir 17
23 Just Some Guy 14
24 Comodoro 13
24 Kazistuta 13
26 Batchuba 12
26 Mkind07 12
28 Mutschi 11
29 Hilltop Finisher 10
29 Jakob747 10
31 Pentacycle 7
32 Vitapen 5
33 CQ Manager 4
33 Jpettersen 4
33 The Asian 4
33 Yellow Knight 4
37 Blues in the Bottle 3
37 Evans is the Best 3
37 Oliveira 3
40 Maaaaaaaarten 0
40 Mellow Velo 0

Collective Wisdom team 35

First daily award goes to Tuarts (Brajkovic, Nibali, Kiserlovski and Konig)

 

[Afrank]

Jelle Vanendert is the most popular pick???

Surprised me too, I just took him cause the combination of him and Mondory put me closer to the limit then taking Van Rensburg and some lower cost guy. I'm not expecting much from him though.


And only one other person with Cardoso! Hopefully Libertine is right about him.

 

[Jancouver]

We can't do a simple "collective wisdom" team: the top nine picks have a total price of 5909. If we leave in only the most popular of the 1000+ priced riders (Betancur, 16 picks) and take out Henao (13 picks) and Nibali (11 picks), we have 7 riders for 2523 points. To fill the roster of 9 riders we then take the next most popular (Brajovic, 9 picks) and one of the three riders who had 8 picks. Given that we collectively can afford the most expensive of those three, it would seem churlish not to do so, so we'll opt for Sam Sánchez over Majka and Horner, and we have a collective wisdom team that cost 3425 points (and scores 134 on the originality index).
Collective Wisdom team
VANENDERT Jelle
ARROYO David
BASSO Ivan
ANACONA Winner
BETANCUR Carlos
MATTHEWS Michael
PINOT Thibaut
BRAJKOVIC Janez
SANCHEZ Samuel

All of us bar Jancouver have a vested interest in the Collective team (and he would have done if Nibali wasn't priced out)

Afrank, Cyivel, Mellow Velo and Minessa have most members of that team, with 6 each; Geraint Too Fast, Jakob747, Murali, Search, Vladimir only have one of them.

Once again, I have no riders from the collective wisdom.

Anybody up for an avatar bet?

Offering two bets again.

1. Collective Wisdom vs Jancouver
2. Jancouver to finish in the upper half

 

[murali]

Kicking myself for not including Roche in my team. And to think that I had chucked him and Uran from the list to include Henao...

a damn good win by roche.

 

[search]

...that should be enough to get into the lead I guess

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Stage 2
Hopes punctured for all those who chose Henao or Betancur as the main purchase. Popular bargains such as Sam Sánchez, Vanendert and Anacona also seem unlikely to give a high return.

Search had three of the first four finishers today, to earn 110 points and the daily title. MC Mountain is the only other one to pick Roche.

Could Nibali be about to get 19 successive 18 point bonuses for the red jersey?

Guaranteed points
1 Search 160
2 Tuarts 96
3 MC Mountain 88
4 Minessa 83
5 Geraint Too Fast 80
6 DB Coop 71
7 18-Valve 63
7 Karbonkel 63
9 Jancouver 57
10 Cyivel 54
10 Zlev 11 54
12 Al Pacino 49
13 Armchair Cyclist 48
14 Gotland 39
15 Afrank 38
15 Karlboss 38
15 Lightbing 38
18 Hilltop Finisher 35
18 Leadbelly 35
18 Vladimir 35
21 Mkind07 30
22 Murali 26
23 The Hitch 23
24 Yellow Knight 22
25 Keith James Mc 20
26 Comodoro 17
27 Kazistuta 16
28 Batchuba 15
29 Just Some Guy 14
29 Mutschi 14
31 Jakob747 10
32 Vitapen 8
33 Jpettersen 7
33 Pentacycle 7
35 Evans is the Best 6
36 Maaaaaaaarten 5
37 CQ Manager 4
37 Oliveira 4
37 The Asian 4
40 Blues in the Bottle 3
40 Mellow Velo 3

Collective Wisdom team 38

 

[murali]

looks as if those who chose nibali are going to be in the top 10. I just hope i am proven wrong.

 

[the asian]

I have Henao, Betancur and Samu. I'm giving up already.

 

[murali]

betancur was sick. he might go for stage wins in the last week.

henao is only 2:49 down. if he maintains the gap, he can still finish i podium.