2014 Cleanest Peloton Ever

[The Hitch]

So in the last 2 weeks we hear that Kreuziger and Menchov were quietly caught doping in 2012.

And the wheel keeps turning.

 

[Benotti69]

So in the last 2 weeks we hear that Kreuziger and Menchov were quietly caught doping in 2012.

And the wheel keeps turning.

Kreuziger, Menchov, Barredo and Hoste.

 

[Benotti69]

Valverde:"I believe I have not returned to the level I had before my suspension.I have actually surpassed it & reached a higher level."

I bet all the cool young clean pros are fuming when they here Piti say this. Any chance they'll get those young clean hotshots will flick him into the nearest ditch.....

 

[The Hitch]

Kreuziger, Menchov, Barredo and Hoste.

Barredo was chased out of the sport years ago. He became a waiter in Madrid in 2011 already I think.

 

[Benotti69]

Barredo was chased out of the sport years ago. He became a waiter in Madrid in 2011 already I think.

Thanks for that Hitch. Some others could do with taking up careers as Barristas

 

[MaxVO2]

Would love to find out how Menchov's ban came about and under which UCI president

Under Fatty McQ.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

http://www.****iociclismo.it/un-ann...-finita-ma-si-affacciano-nuove-sostanze-39413


s p a z

 

[Dear Wiggo]

http://www.****iociclismo.it/un-ann...-finita-ma-si-affacciano-nuove-sostanze-39413


s p a z

ie replace **** with, "spaz"

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
What was the last time 4 French riders were in the top-8 of the #tourdefrance halfway through the race? Remarkable

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
2 of those 4 French riders in the #tourdefrance top-8 are also 1-2 in the Young Rider Classification. Bodes well for the future

 

[Netserk]

http://www.****iociclismo.it/un-ann...-finita-ma-si-affacciano-nuove-sostanze-39413


s p a z

http://tinyurl.com/k8mw8sk

 

[The Hitch]

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
What was the last time 4 French riders were in the top-8 of the #tourdefrance halfway through the race? Remarkable

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
2 of those 4 French riders in the #tourdefrance top-8 are also 1-2 in the Young Rider Classification. Bodes well for the future

I don't see what this has to do with the thread.

Neither nationality nor age are acceptable criteria by which to judge cleanliness.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I don't see what this has to do with the thread.

Neither nationality nor age are acceptable criteria by which to judge cleanliness.

Quite a few posters on here believe that French riders are perhaps more inclined to be clean. Would you be more or less sceptical of a younger rider breaking into the top 10 or someone that is over 40?

Or you don't think that someone who has had close ties to the sport has an opinion that is relevant?

I see the above tweets as relevant with that regard.

 

[The Hitch]

Quite a few posters on here believe that French riders are perhaps more inclined to be clean. Would you be more or less sceptical of a younger rider breaking into the top 10 or someone that is over 40?

Or you don't think that someone who has had close ties to the sport has an opinion that is relevant?

I see the above tweets as relevant with that regard.

Jalabert was French. Virenique was French. I don't care how close someone is to the sport, to judge cleanliness by nationality is ridiculous.

As for not trusting someone over 40, that has no relevance to judging whether young riders dope. Pretty much everyone who ever doped doped before they were 25.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Jalabert was French. Virenique was French. I don't care how close someone is to the sport, to judge cleanliness by nationality is ridiculous.

Do you not think that French anti-doping law might have an impact as opposed to teams based in countries that are not as strict? Most French teams would be based in France, no?

As for not trusting someone over 40, that has no relevance to judging whether young riders dope. Pretty much everyone who ever doped doped before they were 25.

I would have more faith in someone that is coming into the sport than someone that has been around since the 90's. YMMV.

 

[the sceptic]

Do you not think that French anti-doping law might have an impact as opposed to teams based in countries that are not as strict? Most French teams would be based in France, no?


I would have more faith in someone that is coming into the sport than someone that has been around since the 90's. YMMV.

If the UCI had banned Dawg in 2011 like they should have, there would be some hope. But this to me just looks like more teams are joining the arms race. (started by sky)

 

[sniper]

If the UCI had banned Dawg in 2011 like they should have, there would be some hope. But this to me just looks like more teams are joining the arms race. (started by sky)

the fact that a coupla moderately talented lowlanders were dropping french altitude natives in last years mountain stages might have further encouraged the french to join the arms race.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

the fact that a coupla moderately talented lowlanders were dropping french altitude natives in last years mountain stages might have further encouraged the french to join the arms race.

lowlanders shouldn't be able to climb again?

 

[Almeisan]

lowlanders shouldn't be able to climb again?

Lowlanders don't get born thin as a stick; can't climb.

[edit]

Wow, it is really the same guy:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21155

Dense as a rock!

"Mountains don't shine around rays that transform tall, big boned, muscular and fat bodies into small-boned, non-muscular, short and lean ones. "

 

[The Hitch]

Do you not think that French anti-doping law might have an impact as opposed to teams based in countries that are not as strict? Most French teams would be based in France, no?


I would have more faith in someone that is coming into the sport than someone that has been around since the 90's. YMMV.

I'd have more faith in someone who's biggest career win was the tour of turkey than the tour de France. But yet sometimes I treat those 2 imposters just the same.

Whether a 40 year old dopes is totally irrelevant to the question of whether a 25 year old does.

It's sort of like saying pantani was bald and he doped so Nibali must be clean since he has hair.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If the UCI had banned Dawg in 2011 like they should have, there would be some hope. But this to me just looks like more teams are joining the arms race. (resumed by sky)

About where I see things. The Dawg wasn't getting banned because that would directly impact the UCI's take of the London games.

We know the latest President of the French cycling federation was making noises about arranging the federation like BC/Sky USAC/USPS. Maybe they've got it sorted?

 

[pmcg76]

I don't see what this has to do with the thread.

Neither nationality nor age are acceptable criteria by which to judge cleanliness.

How can this not have something to do with a thread entitled 'Cleanest Peloton ever'. If Vroomen is correct in his statements, then that would suggest the title of this thread is in fact quite accurate.

Cmon Hitch, there was a general belief that French cycling cleaned up quite a bit after the Festina affair with their longitudal testing programme and this was reflected in the fact that they had very poor results over the next decade. There was also the fact that the likes of Armstrong and indeed Jalabert left France to live abroad around the same time as the doping laws in France got stricter. I think Virenque moved out of France as well but not sure.

Of course like most things that is a generalisation and there were exceptions like Cofidis or Virenque/Jalabert. In general though it seemed as though the French teams changed their culture a bit. Throw in the fact that French results have started to improve since the introduction of the bio-passport and also that it was mostly French riders who were low on that Suspicion index thingy and the idea that the French teams are cleaner is hardly baseless. All these things are hardly just pure coincidence now!!

If Vroomen had said that the French doing well was a sign of them getting back on the doping bandwagon big time, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be plenty rowing in saying this was likely accurate info from a knowledgable insider. It only ever seems to work one way in here.

Like Kimmage believing in Dan Martin or Antoine Vayer having faith in J.C.Peraud, two guys(Kimmage/Vayer that is) who are lauded around here as being strongly anti-doping but the second they show a little faith in a rider, we are immediately told they are wrong. It is like they are trusted to call out dirty riders but then not trusted to find a clean rider

 

[DirtyWorks]

Of course like most things that is a generalisation and there were exceptions like Cofidis or Virenque/Jalabert. In general though it seemed as though the French teams changed their culture a bit. Throw in the fact that French results have started to improve since the introduction of the bio-passport and also that it was mostly French riders who were low on that Suspicion index thingy and the idea that the French teams are cleaner is hardly baseless. All these things are hardly just pure coincidence now!!

But, since then, management of the French cycling federation has changed. We know that the way the national cycling federation is run matters greatly when it comes to never testing positive.

That doesn't mean "the French are doping." Benotti lists a few below! It's definitely not all French riders. Unfortunately, that's as close as we get.

It is like they are trusted to call out dirty riders but then not trusted to find a clean rider

There is a messy problem of proving not doping combined with so many unapologetic liars perfectly willing to destroy the integrity of the sport at numerous levels interacting with cycling personalities that have some record of attempting to bring some integrity into the sport.

I agree it is frustrating. It seems long delays between athletic performances and doping revelations is the only way we learn.

 

[jens_attacks]

vroomen is an idiot

i rate lappartient as one of the biggest mobsters in cycling right now. a true boss!

 

[Benotti69]

French dont dope? Since when;

Remy Di Gergorio
STEVE HOUANARD
SÉBASTIEN TURGOT
SYLVAIN GEORGES
JIMMY CASPER
YOANN OFFREDO
AURÉLIEN DUVAL
LAURENT BROCHARD
DIDIER ROUS
PIERRE ROLLAND
MICKAËL LARPE

a quick scan of the brilliant dopeology.org throws up the above recent French riders with violations.

 

[Netserk]

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
What was the last time 4 French riders were in the top-8 of the #tourdefrance halfway through the race? Remarkable

Gerard Vroomen ‏@gerardvroomen
2 of those 4 French riders in the #tourdefrance top-8 are also 1-2 in the Young Rider Classification. Bodes well for the future

Same Vroomen who thinks Sastre was clean?