2015 Giro Route Rumours

[pink_jersey]

Can't they just coast the lakes? It's kinda flat there...

It's not so flat.Especially if you come from Maggiore to Lugano.

 

[Netserk]

Actually, that's not the top of the typical Passo Campo Carlo Magno climb. They'll finish in Patascoss, which is the start of the Tre Tre ski track, where the World Cup slalom takes place.

I agree, it does not really add much to the stage.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Eshnar]

It's not so flat.Especially if you come from Maggiore to Lugano.

ok not pan flat but still a bunch sprint. Ofc they can make it hilly as desired but there are already lots of hills in the third week...

 

[Matt92]

Maybe Croce Domini?

That's what they did in 1997: they started from Malè, in Val di Sole, climbed to Passo Campo Carlo Magno and descended towards Pinzolo. From there, they went to Bagolino (through the easy climb of Roncone) to climb Goletto di Cadino/Passo di Crocedomini. After the downhill, they went to Edolo, climbed to Aprica, descended to Tirano and approached Mortirolo before finishing in Edolo.

Of course, next year they'd have to go back to Tirano/Forte Sertoli through Aprica, Santa Cristina, Padrio or whatever climb they pick.

 

[Eshnar]

That's what they did in 1997: they started from Malè, in Val di Sole, climbed to Passo Campo Carlo Magno and descended towards Pinzolo. From there, they went to Bagolino (through the easy climb of Roncone) to climb Goletto di Cadino/Passo di Crocedomini. After the downhill, they went to Edolo, climbed to Aprica, descended to Tirano and approached Mortirolo before finishing in Edolo.

Of course, next year they'd have to go back to Tirano/Forte Sertoli through Aprica, Santa Cristina, Padrio or whatever climb they pick.

Oh ok, didn't know Goletto di Cadino was another way to mention Croce Domini
Well, if they pass through Tirano before the Mortirolo, then there's a chance they could skip it at the finish, maybe heading to Forte Sertoli directly after Aprica or whatever they climb after Mortirolo.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

well, it's a challenging descent, but nothing extraordinary

Not since 2006 has the stage the day before the second rest day been this weak.

2014 Montecampione
2013 Galibier
2012 Piani Resinelli
2011 Gardeccia
2010 Zoncolan
2009 Monte Petrano
2008 Kronplatz
2007 Tre Cime di Lavaredo

Not even Piani Resinelli comes close to the joke of a climb Madonna di Campiglio is. And the rest of the stage is nothing special, either. One cat. 1. No HC.

I'm guessing the Mortirolo stage will be the de facto queen stage... with Mortirolo being the only highest category climb of the day. And no descents from > 2000m until Finestre.

Maybe a weaker route (as far as high mountain stages are concerned, anyway) will only add to the fun - the last few years have been atrocious, save for the controversial Val Martello stage and a few MTTs).

Then again if Nibali starts not much can save this Giro. Maybe it's for the best.

 

[Matt92]

Oh ok, didn't know Goletto di Cadino was another way to mention Croce Domini
Well, if they pass through Tirano before the Mortirolo, then there's a chance they could skip it at the finish, maybe heading to Forte Sertoli directly after Aprica or whatever they climb after Mortirolo.

Well, techinically Goletto di Cadino and Croce Domini are not exactly the same: Goletto di Cadino is about 50 metres higher, and there are about 2 kms between them. If you climb from Bagolino, you get to Goletto di Cadino first, so the GPM is sometimes there (the same thing happened the following year, when they climbed it in the Montecampione stage).

But yes, it's basically the same thing

 

[Eshnar]

2014 Montecampione
2013 Galibier
2012 Piani Resinelli
2011 Gardeccia
2010 Zoncolan
2009 Monte Petrano
2008 Kronplatz
2007 Tre Cime di Lavaredo

Wasn't Kronplatz after the rest day?
Before there was Fedaia iirc

EDIT: Anyway, this is harder than Montecampione alone.

 

[Netserk]

Wasn't Kronplatz after the rest day?
Before there was Fedaia iirc

EDIT: Anyway, this is harder than Montecampione alone.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/giro08/?id=stages

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Wasn't Kronplatz after the rest day?
Before there was Fedaia iirc

EDIT: Anyway, this is harder than Montecampione alone.

Only if you go by statistics. In terms of the race action that you can expect - it's far softer.

 

[Eshnar]

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/giro08/?id=stages

thanks. the fact that it was not on a Sunday tricked me.

Only if you go by statistics. In terms of the race action that you can expect - it's far softer.

On Montecampione you could expect exactly what happened. Hard to expect anything different from Madonna di Campiglio. Except that maybe some 2nd tier may try something on the Daone, a chance that this year didn't exist.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

thanks. the fact that it was not on a Sunday tricked me.

On Montecampione you could expect exactly what happened. Hard to expect anything different from Madonna di Campiglio. Except that maybe some 2nd tier may try something on the Daone, a chance that this year didn't exist.

This is hardly a Mortirolo - Stelvio stage on the penultimate day of the Giro. A top 10 contender won't risk anything here when everyone is still relatively fresh. It's a stage that can easily be controlled also.

 

[Eshnar]

This is hardly a Mortirolo - Stelvio stage on the penultimate day of the Giro. A top 10 contender won't risk anything here when everyone is still relatively fresh. It's a stage that can easily be controlled also.

the false flat before Madonna di Campiglio isn't long 40 kms... it's just 8 kms. And the top of Daone is only 31 kms from the finish. Unlikely but not impossible.

 

[Jack_89]

Contador: “Sueño disputar las tres grandes en el mismo año”

Enough for me Giro-Tour in 2015 ...

http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2014/09/14/vuelta_espana/1410722108_176556.html

The effectiveness of Alberto Contador in the Tour is devastating: three wins overall in his only three appearances in 2008, 2012 and 2014 and also overwhelms his season: 2nd in the Algarve, Tirreno 1st place, 2nd in the Volta, 1st in the Basque Country in the Dauphiné 2nd and 1st in the Vuelta. "The campaign has been amazing, just the thorn me not knowing what had happened in the Tour is. I worked and strove as never to reach the maximum. Pity the fall, I made the year in the most professional way to my career. "

Why crushed both? Answered his brother and agent, Fran: "The way you beat Froome in Tour 2013 Sometimes you learn more from defeat than from victory, you must know how to handle situations to try to reverse them." The motivation to overcome the British led him to spend a winter held in Lugano, where he has taken up residence, and the Teide, a place that he came "first" next to coach Tinkoff, former Sky, Steven de Jongh . And that gives you a "special" value to this Vuelta, "Beating the best always magnifies. Froome is a global standard. "

Abandoning the Tour made ​​him think you would not get to contest the Spanish round. Just two months later, he gave his title to the Apostle Santiago. His lesion defined Dr. Cesar Flores in AS: "Your tibial plateau fracture did not involve problems for cargo or for pedaling in the back, intraarticular. The problem was the wound that was reopened and delayed him. Even so, exercised good for the race. "

Although well trained and only racing at maximum in each test in which you enroll, Contador lowered expectations since announcing his competition: "try to win stages in the third week." And so it has been, in Farrapona and Ancares, but dressed in red, with the general totally under control. At a press conference said Valdelinares day as the turning point: "There I realized I enjoyed the end of good feelings. Before I spent only survive and suffer. "

On the podium in Santiago held its sixth largest (was stripped of the Tour de France 2010 and the Giro d'Italia in 2011 for a positive clenbuterol), a track record which look three laps, two Tour and Giro, Triple Crown "I do not know if back in 2015, a dream would play three rounds of three weeks in the same season "

 

[fauniera]

Why no Durone before Daone? Can't see any reason for that. For a stage the day before a rest day this is very light and very short. Daone is nice of course, but Madonna di Campiglio is simply too easy to expect any action, i'm afraid.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Why no Durone before Daone? Can't see any reason for that. For a stage the day before a rest day this is very light and very short. Daone is nice of course, but Madonna di Campiglio is simply too easy to expect any action, i'm afraid.

Probably because they want to have an elite GT specialist at the start who wants to peak for the Tour.

 

[jens_attacks]

that danone climb looks yummy. i expect alberto contador to completely explode the race there. weak move if you guys say that it's not the same finish as in 99 and in 2013 tour de pologne on campiglio...
if someone doesn't explode the peloton on daone, hell gerrans might win the sprint

 

[fauniera]

Probably because they want to have an elite GT specialist at the start who wants to peak for the Tour.

I hope you are wrong, both for us and for Nibali (riding Giro and Tour for gc doesn't work anyway, however easy the Giro may be).

 

[Eshnar]

Probably because they want to have an elite GT specialist at the start who wants to peak for the Tour.

yeah, that's the reason why they put this

and didn't put this

Makes perfect sense. With the Durone the Giro was too difficult.

 

[icefire]

yeah, that's the reason why they put this

and didn't put this

Makes perfect sense. With the Durone the Giro was too difficult.

Actually that's the reason why they put this:

instead of something like this:

 

[Eshnar]

Actually that's the reason why they put this:

instead of something like this:

As if they could just pick the finish they want. Keeping Madonna di Campiglio, they chose by far the best finish (leaving aside the final ramp, which btw doesn't make it easier, at least).
Yeah, they didn't put a climb of 10 kms at 6%, which they could have put.

 

[fauniera]

yeah, that's the reason why they put this

and didn't put this

Makes perfect sense. With the Durone the Giro was too difficult.

Why choose between them two? We want both.

 

[Eshnar]

Why choose between them two? We want both.

I didn't mean they had to choose, but if they wanted to make it easy just climb the Durone like in 1999.

 

[Stromeon]

Ah well at least they have Daone in there. Think what the stage might have been if they hadn't put it in

The start location does make me a little concerned though; if the Vicenza/Monte Berico rumour is true it makes little sense logistically for a mountain stage to Plan de Corones or the surrounding area, which, if it were not to be included, would make it probably one mountain stage short imo. A lot will hinge on how difficult they make the Mortirolo stage and the Cervinia stage.

And the Finestre stage will be interesting, Ivrea-Sestriere direct with only the Finestre in between is only about 150km, which is too short. Perhaps they do Sestriere-Finestre-Sestriere like in 2005?

 

[kingjr]

that danone climb looks yummy.

i see what u did there