New header (The lower part of this message is the original post to start the discussion: the first part is the headline information)
Teams12 riders, to a budget of 3000 points from the 31 December 2014 download: this spreadsheet at Dropbox might help.
All riders available (except Valverde, who single handedly would put a team over budget), no distinct doper rules.
Scoring CQ points gained in following 20 one day races:
28/2 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - 1.HC
28/2 Sud Ardeche - 1.1
1/3 Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne - 1.1
1/3 Drome Classic - 1.1
1/3 GP di Lugano - 1.HC
4/3 Le Samyn - 1.1
7/3 Strade Bianche - 1.HC
18/3 Nokere Koerse - 1.1
22/3 Milano - Sanremo - 1.WT1
25/3 Dwars door Vlaanderen - 1.HC
26/3 Classica Corsica - 1.1
27/3 E3 Harelbeke - 1.WT2
29/3 Gent - Wevelgem - 1.WT2
5/4 Ronde van Vlaanderen - 1.WT1
8/4 Scheldeprijs - 1.HC
12/4 Paris - Roubaix - 1.WT1
15/4 Brabantse Pijl - 1.HC
19/4 Amstel Gold Race - 1.WT2
22/4 La Fl?che Wallonne - 1.WT2
26/4 Li?ge - Bastogne - Li?ge - 1.WT1
Results will be taken as final after full results of LBL are published: subsequent alterations doe to disqualifications will not be considered part of the game.
Entering
PM to me either at CN or at Velorooms (the latter preferable if you are registered at both because of mailbox size limitations and handling of diacritics) by the beginning of the Omloop on Saturday 28 February (10:45 am GMT)
Please submit names in CQ format (easily cut and pasted from the dropbox spreadsheet above) with nothing else on each line. Depending on what spare time I have when I open the message, I reserve the right to send teams back for the manager to format correctly.
Entrants as of 00:30 on Saturday 26th (UK time):
AG
Akuryo
Armchair
Asdfgh101
CaptCavman
Comodoro
Crevaison
Del1962
DJSprtsch
DJW
GeraintTooFast
GPBlanco
Hugo87
Jancouver
Joelsim
JosephD
JustSomeGuy
Kazistuta
LaVelocipede
Leadbelly
LosBrolin
Murrjt
Oliveira
PBlazer
RoteLaterne
Scrool07
Search
Trudgin
*: Issue with selection, manager informed
What follows is the initial starter to the thread.
Tradition (if something that started 2 years ago can claim to have its own established traditions) has the Classics season competition as 12 riders and 3000 pts budget based on 31 December GQ download.
We normally have started from the Omloop, and finished with Liege-Bastogne-Liege. The WT races have been unquestioned for inclusion, but which HC and 1.1 races have been included has always been a matter for debate.
To try to establish some principle into that debate, rather than a matter of like/dislike, I noted last year the number of WT teams that took part in each race that either was, or could potentially have been, included. (WT races not included in this list, no need to argue over their inclusion, and by definition they had 18 WT teams taking part last year)
WT Teams/ Race/ observations
14 Scheldeprijs 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
14 Dwars door Vlaanderen 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
11 Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne Included 2013 and 14
11 Strade Bianche Included 2013 and 14
11 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
9 GP Citta di Camaiore Added in 2014
9 Roma Maxima Included 2013 and 14
8 Classic Sud Ard?che
8 Valence Dr?me Classic
8 Brabantse Pijl 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
7 Nokere Koerse
6 Le Samyn
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
5 GP La Marseillaise Before Omloop
5 Handzame Classic
5 GP de Denain
4 GP di Lugano Included 2013 and 14
4 GP Nobili Rubinetterie
4 Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn 1.HC after Liege-B-L
3 Trofeo Laigueglia Before Omloop
3 Classic Loire Atlantique
3 GP Cholet - Pays De Loire
3 Route Ad?lie de Vitr?
3 GP Miguel Indurain Included 2013 and 14
3 Paris - Camembert
3 Tour du Finist?re
3 Tro-Bro L?on Added in 2014
3 La Roue Tourangelle
3 GP de la Somme 1.HC after Liege-B-L
2 GP Costa degli Etruschi Before Omloop
2 Ronde van Drenthe
2 Dwars door Drenthe
2 Volta Limburg Classic
2 Vuelta a La Rioja
2 GP Pino Cerami
1 Vuelta a Murcia Added in 2014
1 Clasica de Almeria
1 Klasika Primavera Included 2013 and 14
1 Rund um K?ln
On the basis of this, I suggest that we drop 6 races on the grounds of a low participation rate (<1/3) by top teams, as indicated by the dotted line. Thus we would lose Murcia, Almeria (which are both much earlier this year, 2 weeks before Omloop) Indurain, Primavera, Tro-Bro Leon and Lugano (of which more to follow). These races made up 27% of the events last year, but only 2.7 % of the occasions on which selected riders scored points.
In their place, by the criterion of WT participation, I suggest we add in Sud Ardeche, Drome, Nokere Koerse and Le Samyn. I note that Lugano has been upgraded to 1.HC: if there is evidence that there will be at least 6 WT teams, then consistency would suggest that it could be reprieved. I also see a new (or at least revived) race, Classica Corsica, on the calendar: is it likely to have an impressive field?
So I suggest that the programme should be:
28/2 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - 1.HC
28/2 Sud Ardeche - 1.1
1/3 Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne - 1.1
1/3 Drome Classic - 1.1
1/3 GP di Lugano - 1.HC ????
4/3 Le Samyn - 1.1
5/3 G.P. Camaiore - 1.1
7/3 Strade Bianche - 1.HC (upgraded: hooray!!)
8/3 Roma Maxima - 1.1 (I see it on the calendar, but I thought I had read of its demise)
18/3 Nokere Koerse - 1.1
22/3 Milano - Sanremo - 1.WT1
25/3 Dwars door Vlaanderen - 1.HC
26/3 Classica Corsica - 1.1 ????
27/3 E3 Harelbeke - 1.WT2
29/3 Gent - Wevelgem - 1.WT2
5/4 Ronde van Vlaanderen - 1.WT1
8/4 Scheldeprijs - 1.HC
12/4 Paris - Roubaix - 1.WT1
15/4 Brabantse Pijl - 1.HC
19/4 Amstel Gold Race - 1.WT2
22/4 La Fl?che Wallonne - 1.WT2
26/4 Li?ge - Bastogne - Li?ge - 1.WT1
Other than these changes to the programme, I would like to propose a change to the rider prices policy: rather than charge returning dopers at a pre-punishment CQ price, that they, like anyone else, be priced per their 2014 price. Reasons: convenience to organiser, not our place to censor selection, not the only reason some riders are cheap.
Before I invite any submission of teams, any observations on the above, or info about Lugano/Corsica fields?
Teams12 riders, to a budget of 3000 points from the 31 December 2014 download: this spreadsheet at Dropbox might help.
All riders available (except Valverde, who single handedly would put a team over budget), no distinct doper rules.
Scoring CQ points gained in following 20 one day races:
28/2 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - 1.HC
28/2 Sud Ardeche - 1.1
1/3 Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne - 1.1
1/3 Drome Classic - 1.1
1/3 GP di Lugano - 1.HC
4/3 Le Samyn - 1.1
7/3 Strade Bianche - 1.HC
18/3 Nokere Koerse - 1.1
22/3 Milano - Sanremo - 1.WT1
25/3 Dwars door Vlaanderen - 1.HC
26/3 Classica Corsica - 1.1
27/3 E3 Harelbeke - 1.WT2
29/3 Gent - Wevelgem - 1.WT2
5/4 Ronde van Vlaanderen - 1.WT1
8/4 Scheldeprijs - 1.HC
12/4 Paris - Roubaix - 1.WT1
15/4 Brabantse Pijl - 1.HC
19/4 Amstel Gold Race - 1.WT2
22/4 La Fl?che Wallonne - 1.WT2
26/4 Li?ge - Bastogne - Li?ge - 1.WT1
Results will be taken as final after full results of LBL are published: subsequent alterations doe to disqualifications will not be considered part of the game.
Entering
PM to me either at CN or at Velorooms (the latter preferable if you are registered at both because of mailbox size limitations and handling of diacritics) by the beginning of the Omloop on Saturday 28 February (10:45 am GMT)
Please submit names in CQ format (easily cut and pasted from the dropbox spreadsheet above) with nothing else on each line. Depending on what spare time I have when I open the message, I reserve the right to send teams back for the manager to format correctly.
Entrants as of 00:30 on Saturday 26th (UK time):
AG
Akuryo
Armchair
Asdfgh101
CaptCavman
Comodoro
Crevaison
Del1962
DJSprtsch
DJW
GeraintTooFast
GPBlanco
Hugo87
Jancouver
Joelsim
JosephD
JustSomeGuy
Kazistuta
LaVelocipede
Leadbelly
LosBrolin
Murrjt
Oliveira
PBlazer
RoteLaterne
Scrool07
Search
Trudgin
*: Issue with selection, manager informed
What follows is the initial starter to the thread.
Tradition (if something that started 2 years ago can claim to have its own established traditions) has the Classics season competition as 12 riders and 3000 pts budget based on 31 December GQ download.
We normally have started from the Omloop, and finished with Liege-Bastogne-Liege. The WT races have been unquestioned for inclusion, but which HC and 1.1 races have been included has always been a matter for debate.
To try to establish some principle into that debate, rather than a matter of like/dislike, I noted last year the number of WT teams that took part in each race that either was, or could potentially have been, included. (WT races not included in this list, no need to argue over their inclusion, and by definition they had 18 WT teams taking part last year)
WT Teams/ Race/ observations
14 Scheldeprijs 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
14 Dwars door Vlaanderen 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
11 Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne Included 2013 and 14
11 Strade Bianche Included 2013 and 14
11 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
9 GP Citta di Camaiore Added in 2014
9 Roma Maxima Included 2013 and 14
8 Classic Sud Ard?che
8 Valence Dr?me Classic
8 Brabantse Pijl 1.HC, included 2013 and 14
7 Nokere Koerse
6 Le Samyn
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
5 GP La Marseillaise Before Omloop
5 Handzame Classic
5 GP de Denain
4 GP di Lugano Included 2013 and 14
4 GP Nobili Rubinetterie
4 Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn 1.HC after Liege-B-L
3 Trofeo Laigueglia Before Omloop
3 Classic Loire Atlantique
3 GP Cholet - Pays De Loire
3 Route Ad?lie de Vitr?
3 GP Miguel Indurain Included 2013 and 14
3 Paris - Camembert
3 Tour du Finist?re
3 Tro-Bro L?on Added in 2014
3 La Roue Tourangelle
3 GP de la Somme 1.HC after Liege-B-L
2 GP Costa degli Etruschi Before Omloop
2 Ronde van Drenthe
2 Dwars door Drenthe
2 Volta Limburg Classic
2 Vuelta a La Rioja
2 GP Pino Cerami
1 Vuelta a Murcia Added in 2014
1 Clasica de Almeria
1 Klasika Primavera Included 2013 and 14
1 Rund um K?ln
On the basis of this, I suggest that we drop 6 races on the grounds of a low participation rate (<1/3) by top teams, as indicated by the dotted line. Thus we would lose Murcia, Almeria (which are both much earlier this year, 2 weeks before Omloop) Indurain, Primavera, Tro-Bro Leon and Lugano (of which more to follow). These races made up 27% of the events last year, but only 2.7 % of the occasions on which selected riders scored points.
In their place, by the criterion of WT participation, I suggest we add in Sud Ardeche, Drome, Nokere Koerse and Le Samyn. I note that Lugano has been upgraded to 1.HC: if there is evidence that there will be at least 6 WT teams, then consistency would suggest that it could be reprieved. I also see a new (or at least revived) race, Classica Corsica, on the calendar: is it likely to have an impressive field?
So I suggest that the programme should be:
28/2 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - 1.HC
28/2 Sud Ardeche - 1.1
1/3 Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne - 1.1
1/3 Drome Classic - 1.1
1/3 GP di Lugano - 1.HC ????
4/3 Le Samyn - 1.1
5/3 G.P. Camaiore - 1.1
7/3 Strade Bianche - 1.HC (upgraded: hooray!!)
8/3 Roma Maxima - 1.1 (I see it on the calendar, but I thought I had read of its demise)
18/3 Nokere Koerse - 1.1
22/3 Milano - Sanremo - 1.WT1
25/3 Dwars door Vlaanderen - 1.HC
26/3 Classica Corsica - 1.1 ????
27/3 E3 Harelbeke - 1.WT2
29/3 Gent - Wevelgem - 1.WT2
5/4 Ronde van Vlaanderen - 1.WT1
8/4 Scheldeprijs - 1.HC
12/4 Paris - Roubaix - 1.WT1
15/4 Brabantse Pijl - 1.HC
19/4 Amstel Gold Race - 1.WT2
22/4 La Fl?che Wallonne - 1.WT2
26/4 Li?ge - Bastogne - Li?ge - 1.WT1
Other than these changes to the programme, I would like to propose a change to the rider prices policy: rather than charge returning dopers at a pre-punishment CQ price, that they, like anyone else, be priced per their 2014 price. Reasons: convenience to organiser, not our place to censor selection, not the only reason some riders are cheap.
Before I invite any submission of teams, any observations on the above, or info about Lugano/Corsica fields?