2015 Tour de France: Stage 1, Utrecht-Utrecht

[Miburo]

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i think dumoulin, kelderman, boom all in the top 10 of the tt

Kelderman? stop it LMAO

have you ever seen Kelderman's results in short ITT's?

Already as 19yo still riding for u23 team of rabobank he was beating full pro's.

Your reaction is again so arrogant and rude as always. You're like Ryu the second coming

I thought you were joking. Has he ever had such a results against this field? If so then please tell me and youth result don't mean ***.

It took vdb2 10 years to realise he could ITT like in his young days

And did he have any meaningful result this year? Or is he gonna be like every almost dutchi and just go for the peak in the tour and then fail and come up with an excuse?

Kruiswijk is the exception to that rule though, at least he attacks

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Kelderman is a very good specialist in short ITT. You can see that in Tour of denmark 2013,dauphine 2014,vuelta andalucia 2015 and probably there are more examples that i don´t remenber.
If he doesn´t finish in top 10, i will be very disappointed

 

[qwer]

Kelderman is a very good specialist in short ITT. You can see that in Tour of denmark 2013,dauphine 2014,vuelta andalucia 2015 and probably there are more examples that i don´t remenber.
If he doesn´t finish in top 10, i will be very disappointed

why? i can find 10 cyclists better than him. froome, contador, dumoulin, cancellara, tony martin, mallori, sagan, dowsett, kwia, thomas.

 

[Tank Engine]

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If Quintana finishes in the top 25 on a stage like this, then the others might just as well go home. I hope that Spartacus is back on form. Top 5 (in no particular order): Canc, Malori, Martin, Tom D, Sagan. I'll go with Canc.

Keep overhyping quintana as a climber.

I will do

To be serious, I'm underhyping him in short, flat TTs at the beginning of a grand tour. Pretty much everyone will be going full out on Saturday and if a guy of Quintana's size gets in the top 25 on such a TT, he has such a power to weight ratio that I will start overhyping him. He won't though.

 

[May0maniac]

Kelderman isn't your typical dutch gc-rider, when he's good he attacks, just look at the 2014 dauphine, he was also very strong in the Val Martello stage.
In a recent interview he also said that hed probably take a stage win over a top 10 in the tour, he seems to have the right mentality.

 

[Amsterhammer]

"Parts of Belgium and The Netherlands also sweltered in 35-degree Celsius -- 95 degrees Fahrenheit -- heat Wednesday."

More to come, with the 'queens weather stage' on Saturday expected to surpass the temperatures above.

 

[Kwibus]

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If Quintana finishes in the top 25 on a stage like this, then the others might just as well go home. I hope that Spartacus is back on form. Top 5 (in no particular order): Canc, Malori, Martin, Tom D, Sagan. I'll go with Canc.

Keep overhyping quintana as a climber.

I will do

To be serious, I'm underhyping him in short, flat TTs at the beginning of a grand tour. Pretty much everyone will be going full out on Saturday and if a guy of Quintana's size gets in the top 25 on such a TT, he has such a power to weight ratio that I will start overhyping him. He won't though.

I don't think it's ridiculous to expect Quintana in the top25. The guy can be a very decent TT'er and indeed his power to weight ratio is great. Still if he finishes in the top25 of this TT it doesn't mean the other contenders should go home because he will wreck them all in the mountains. I doubt that.

 

[pedromiguelmartins]

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So... It's impossible for anyone to beat Sagan. Even if he has a flat, he should win with a comfortable margin.

Best ever place Sagan can get with a 100% race is 5th. There will be a gap after Martin, Cancellara, Dumoulin and Malori.. Over 30 second gap i bet between 4th and 5th. 5-15 is open.

I don't understand... Are you saying that Sagan will overtake only 5 riders?

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Kelderman is a very good specialist in short ITT. You can see that in Tour of denmark 2013,dauphine 2014,vuelta andalucia 2015 and probably there are more examples that i don´t remenber.
If he doesn´t finish in top 10, i will be very disappointed

why? i can find 10 cyclists better than him. froome, contador, dumoulin, cancellara, tony martin, mallori, sagan, dowsett, kwia, thomas.

I don´t think that contador is better than him in a flat course like this, and thomas and sagan are not superior in my opinion. Even dowsett and froome could be worse than kelderman and Kwiatovsky seems to be in poor shape...

 

[Pricey_sky]

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So... It's impossible for anyone to beat Sagan. Even if he has a flat, he should win with a comfortable margin.

Best ever place Sagan can get with a 100% race is 5th. There will be a gap after Martin, Cancellara, Dumoulin and Malori.. Over 30 second gap i bet between 4th and 5th. 5-15 is open.

I don't understand... Are you saying that Sagan will overtake only 5 riders?

They are saying the best Sagan will finish on the stage is 5th.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

For mr Miburo

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Andalucia_Ruta_Ciclista_Del_Sol_2015_Stage_32
(beating Contador, Froome, Jungels, Kiryenka..)

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Criterium_du_Dauphine_2014_Stage_1_Lyon
Speaks for itself, top field, 10km, he was 5th..

Giro ITT's are obvious
Moving on:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Post_Danmark_Rundt_Tour_of_Denmark_2013_Stage_5_Holbk
Weak field, but a win on that distance

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=116749
Paris Nice prologue

And ofcourse this one:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=110919
In 2011, when he was not even 20.

If in top form like Dauphine last year Kelderman can easily do a top 10 in such field

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Has everybody forget stage 5 of last year's Vuelta a Burgos?

Looks to me it underlines the lack of belief in Quintana:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/results-2014-vuelta-burgos-stage-5_341329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjNGxKx5rU

That aint many time trial top 50 specialists there even

that's such a powerful stylish looking quintana. hope to see him saturday. the weather is already in his advantage

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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For mr Miburo

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Andalucia_Ruta_Ciclista_Del_Sol_2015_Stage_32
(beating Contador, Froome, Jungels, Kiryenka..)

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Criterium_du_Dauphine_2014_Stage_1_Lyon
Speaks for itself, top field, 10km, he was 5th..

Giro ITT's are obvious
Moving on:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Post_Danmark_Rundt_Tour_of_Denmark_2013_Stage_5_Holbk
Weak field, but a win on that distance

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=116749
Paris Nice prologue

And ofcourse this one:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=110919
In 2011, when he was not even 20.

If in top form like Dauphine last year Kelderman can easily do a top 10 in such field

I will bet my ballsack kelderman won't top ten here. still hilarious though how you overrate the dutch :tranen:

 

[RENS99]

In TJVG's best reasonable scenario, how high could he place himself in a short ITT like this?

 

[Kwibus]

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So... It's impossible for anyone to beat Sagan. Even if he has a flat, he should win with a comfortable margin.

Best ever place Sagan can get with a 100% race is 5th. There will be a gap after Martin, Cancellara, Dumoulin and Malori.. Over 30 second gap i bet between 4th and 5th. 5-15 is open.

I don't understand... Are you saying that Sagan will overtake only 5 riders?

They are saying the best Sagan will finish on the stage is 5th.

He is trolling

 

[Miburo]

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For mr Miburo

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Andalucia_Ruta_Ciclista_Del_Sol_2015_Stage_32
(beating Contador, Froome, Jungels, Kiryenka..)

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Criterium_du_Dauphine_2014_Stage_1_Lyon
Speaks for itself, top field, 10km, he was 5th..

Giro ITT's are obvious
Moving on:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Post_Danmark_Rundt_Tour_of_Denmark_2013_Stage_5_Holbk
Weak field, but a win on that distance

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=116749
Paris Nice prologue

And ofcourse this one:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=110919
In 2011, when he was not even 20.

If in top form like Dauphine last year Kelderman can easily do a top 10 in such field

Ok so a race in february and a prep race for the tour (where he had the supercompensantion for the giro btw) makes you conclude he'll top 10? Has he even shown that dauphine form this year? I use logic, not nationalism as my guide in reason.

A prologue of 3km? Can't do any better mr. DT?

The rest isn't even worth mentioning.

 

[Kwibus]

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I will bet my ballsack kelderman won't top ten here. still hilarious though how you overrate the dutch :tranen:

Henao, Spilak etc etc.

 

[Kwibus]

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For mr Miburo

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Vuelta_a_Andalucia_Ruta_Ciclista_Del_Sol_2015_Stage_32
(beating Contador, Froome, Jungels, Kiryenka..)

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Criterium_du_Dauphine_2014_Stage_1_Lyon
Speaks for itself, top field, 10km, he was 5th..

Giro ITT's are obvious
Moving on:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Post_Danmark_Rundt_Tour_of_Denmark_2013_Stage_5_Holbk
Weak field, but a win on that distance

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=116749
Paris Nice prologue

And ofcourse this one:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=110919
In 2011, when he was not even 20.

If in top form like Dauphine last year Kelderman can easily do a top 10 in such field

Ok so a race in february and a prep race for the dauphine (where he had the supercompensantion for the giro btw) makes you conclude he'll top 10?

A prologue of 3km? Can't do any better mr. DT?

The rest isn't even worth mentioning.

He is a contender for the top 10 imo. Allthough I find Kelderman hard to predict in TT's. Very inconsistent.

 

[Miburo]

Nvm i was wrong, he won the dutch ITT last week. He'll top 5 easily.

 

[Kwibus]

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Nvm i was wrong, he won the dutch ITT last week. He'll top 5 easily.

I don't really think winning Dutch ITT by definition means he will ride a great ITT, but he did ride one hell of a TT that day. Almost 52km/h on 55km course.

 

[Velolover2]

Purito in buttom 20?

Any of the GC guys who are worse than him in a TT?

(And don't give me that he almost won a TT, the one in Pais Vasco was tailor made for him)

 

[Kwibus]

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Purito in buttom 20?

Any of the GC guys who are worse than him in a TT?

(And don't give me that he almost won a TT, the one in Pais Vasco was tailor made for him)

He won't finish bottom 20. Definately top 100!

 

[qwerty16]

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Purito in buttom 20?

Any of the GC guys who are worse than him in a TT?

(And don't give me that he almost won a TT, the one in Pais Vasco was tailor made for him)

I would say Dan Martin, Bardet and Rolland are the most likely to finish below Rodriguez.

 

[Taxus4a]

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So... It's impossible for anyone to beat Sagan. Even if he has a flat, he should win with a comfortable margin.

Best ever place Sagan can get with a 100% race is 5th. There will be a gap after Martin, Cancellara, Dumoulin and Malori.. Over 30 second gap i bet between 4th and 5th. 5-15 is open.

I think one of those guys is going to win the stage, but Froome will do a better ITT than some of those guys, maybe Cancellara...

Of course wont be that 30 second gap...in 30 seconds will be the first 50 riders of the stage, and in 1 minute 120 or more. that doenst mean Tony Martin could put one minute to some climbers with options in GC, and Froome close to that, and 1 inute is much time on the mountains.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Yeah, the only biggish gaps will be to those pure climbers (with zero GC ambitions) and those that simply don't care. 13km, totally flat should equal very close times. Someone's bound to win it by 1 second.