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Is this in the same League as the Cancellara win in Switzerland?
This is weird. Got it love Sagan fighting will.
This is weird. Got it love Sagan fighting will.
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Asked again about what message he has to Oleg, Sagan talks again about his great teammates. Could do with a little better English though since he definitely is popular in the USA.
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At the end of the day, Cance won that race because they made more or less one-climb stages to Serfaus (not very long) and a two climb stage with a long descent before the easiest side of Crans-Montana (not very steep) the only mountain stages to counter about 50km of ITT. Cance stomped everyone in the TTs and held on to a decent but not amazing field in the mountains (Tony Martin won the queen stage and the KOM ffs). Sagan here has been sprinting and climbing with the best as well as winning the TT, which though he's not a mug at them is far from the specialty for him that it was for Cancellara in 2009.
Although to borrow from the comparison made earlier that really hit home to me, Cândido Barbosa never actually WON the Volta.
This is weirder, because the Swiss deliberately neutered their course for Cance to win so it wasn't that surprising when he did, only disappointing, whereas this was a poor route made worse by bad luck regarding the weather that enabled Sagan to profit.Escarabajo said:
At the end of the day, Cance won that race because they made more or less one-climb stages to Serfaus (not very long) and a two climb stage with a long descent before the easiest side of Crans-Montana (not very steep) the only mountain stages to counter about 50km of ITT. Cance stomped everyone in the TTs and held on to a decent but not amazing field in the mountains (Tony Martin won the queen stage and the KOM ffs). Sagan here has been sprinting and climbing with the best as well as winning the TT, which though he's not a mug at them is far from the specialty for him that it was for Cancellara in 2009.
Although to borrow from the comparison made earlier that really hit home to me, Cândido Barbosa never actually WON the Volta.
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Libertine is right. Sagan would not have bother to try yesterday if he did not have a chance to win overall. Probably he would not have gone full *** in TT either if it stayed 24 km long.
He does not give a shitt to be second or third in the race. At least something they have common with Alberto.
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Libertine is right. Sagan would not have bother to try yesterday if he did not have a chance to win overall. Probably he would not have gone full *** in TT either if it stayed 24 km long.
He does not give a shitt to be second or third in the race. At least something they have common with Alberto.
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And there's no doubt that the comparatively neutered parcours compared to recent years helped him of course.
Longer ITT and/or higher altitude ITT might have helped Henao be closer into it/brought Zoidl into the mix at least enough to put a bit more pressure on him.Netserk said:
And there's no doubt that the comparatively neutered parcours compared to recent years helped him of course.
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I don't get the issue with Bonus seconds, altered TT etc...
I mean those are (sometimes) part of the racing and final GC..
You could also argue that Sagan being able to seek out the little opportunities is even harder when they become determing to the overall win and others have interest in declining him them..
Being able to cope with the pressure and seeking the chance by going full hard on the MTF yesterday and delevering the necessary bonus seconds today speaks of quality and not luck or bad rules.....
I mean those are (sometimes) part of the racing and final GC..
You could also argue that Sagan being able to seek out the little opportunities is even harder when they become determing to the overall win and others have interest in declining him them..
Being able to cope with the pressure and seeking the chance by going full hard on the MTF yesterday and delevering the necessary bonus seconds today speaks of quality and not luck or bad rules.....
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The thing with the shortened TT was nothing to do with him, that was weather, and the organizers did the best they could. I might have preferred it had they done two laps of the course for the sake of maintaining the original balance, but I can't complain with the option they took as otherwise it would have been cancelled anyway and made it a one-stage race.
The thing with the time bonuses is not people complaining at Sagan, but complaining at the artificiality created by the bonuses not being consistent. If you apply no time bonuses, and everything is on pure race time, then the result is whoever was fastest on the road. If you apply time bonuses to all road stages, then it benefits all equally, because the sprinters will get the bonuses in the sprint stages, the climbers will get the bonuses in the mountain stages, and so on. Sometimes the bonus seconds settle the GC (such as the 2011 Vuelta) but it's fair. Here, however, in the stages Alaphilippe had the chance to win, he could not gain bonus time, and in the stages Sagan had the chance to win, he could. That bonus time that had not been available to Alaphilippe could have settled the GC, therefore the organizers' inconsistency creates a situation imbalanced in favour of one type of athlete over another. They likely did not expect that a guy like Sagan would be in close enough contention for that to matter, but because he was on stupendous form, it did.
I don't think people are denying the victory to Sagan or saying that he doesn't deserve it.mrhender said:
The thing with the shortened TT was nothing to do with him, that was weather, and the organizers did the best they could. I might have preferred it had they done two laps of the course for the sake of maintaining the original balance, but I can't complain with the option they took as otherwise it would have been cancelled anyway and made it a one-stage race.
The thing with the time bonuses is not people complaining at Sagan, but complaining at the artificiality created by the bonuses not being consistent. If you apply no time bonuses, and everything is on pure race time, then the result is whoever was fastest on the road. If you apply time bonuses to all road stages, then it benefits all equally, because the sprinters will get the bonuses in the sprint stages, the climbers will get the bonuses in the mountain stages, and so on. Sometimes the bonus seconds settle the GC (such as the 2011 Vuelta) but it's fair. Here, however, in the stages Alaphilippe had the chance to win, he could not gain bonus time, and in the stages Sagan had the chance to win, he could. That bonus time that had not been available to Alaphilippe could have settled the GC, therefore the organizers' inconsistency creates a situation imbalanced in favour of one type of athlete over another. They likely did not expect that a guy like Sagan would be in close enough contention for that to matter, but because he was on stupendous form, it did.
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Why do you think they renoved the bonifications from the MTF? You can hardly blame the organisers for not expecting a 'sprinter' to smash the tt and hang on to to 5th on the MTF
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Why do you think they renoved the bonifications from the MTF? You can hardly blame the organisers for not expecting a 'sprinter' to smash the tt and hang on to to 5th on the MTF
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nobody stopped ettix and alaphillipe from going for intermediate sprints or finishes for those bonus seconds...but they didnt,its team ettix fault for no trying hard enough,next time maybe they will go for either gc or sprints and not both
mrhender said:
nobody stopped ettix and alaphillipe from going for intermediate sprints or finishes for those bonus seconds...but they didnt,its team ettix fault for no trying hard enough,next time maybe they will go for either gc or sprints and not both
Wow. Sagan saw that Farrar had higher speed, slotted in behind Wippert, used the slipstream to accelerate a little and timed the bike throw to perfection. Impressive decision-making in the split of a second right there.
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What I like about the US races is the relatively small fields, with a nice mix between ProTour and Continental teams. That makes for some interesting situations every now and then, where strong CT riders can surprise, or like yesterday, when all of a sudden you only have 4 riders left with over 5k to go on a climb because everyone else got shed off the back. Theonly downside is that in California, it often is somehwat one-sided with Cavendish or Sagan taking all the wins
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Reminded me of 2010 Tour of Turkey with Greipel, Greipel, Visconti, Visconti, Greipel, Greipel, Viviani, Greipel. And Viviani only got his stage because Greipel crashed.Christian said:
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