2015 USA Pro Challenge (2.HC), Aug. 17-Aug. 23.

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Escarabajo said:
Now that most stupid mountain pass is the Lookout Mountain. What is the purpose of that mountain? None.
If you have the finish of a stage in Golden you can use it right before the finish and have a decent breakaway stage, but yes, stage 7 sucks and even having the climb in that stage is pretty useless.
 
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Watching some of the late 1980s Milan Sanremo races this morning, I was amazed at the quality of the television coverage. Now I'm watching a USA race, in 2015, on a perfectly clear day, and the pictures SUCK. The commentators don't even have much to watch.....
 

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At least there was some action in the last 10 minutes of the stage today

If the US wants to be serious they really need to create races that are exciting. Why hold this in Colorado if the just go to 12K elevation on wide open 5% climbs and back down again.

The tour of California and Utah were much more interesting. The old San Francisco Grand Prix was hard, great to watch, and could become a classic if it was coupled with other races to make travel effective - that is what we need.

I get that Taylor just came back from injury but we don't need to hear about it 10 times an hour from Phil and Paul.

The time trial on Friday - it's about everything but 1st .

Finally - The Cycling Academy ? Really ? There are so many more deserving teams ? Is someone that
politically motivated that they wouldn't put sports first?
 

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A dull race so far with no surprises.

Carthy looks possibly like a Froome v2.0.
 
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Dog said:
A dull race so far with no surprises.

Carthy looks possibly like a Froome v2.0.

Except he's showing greater potential. Having said that, at this point Froome had four wins, Carthy has three.
 
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jaylew said:
This race is so much less interesting than the two other major US stage races.

Hard to disagree and the other two are also lacking. Utah is the best of the lot. What a shame for the USA :(.
Utah has the best parcours by far but Cali is still sometimes the most fun to watch, partially due to its better field. It was definitely the most exciting this year, what with that weird short TT and it coming down to the wire on Baldy. Colorado is always meh since it doesn't have the field or parcours. A shame.
Escarabajo said:
jaylew said:
This race is so much less interesting than the two other major US stage races.
It is a mystery to me how you cannot come up with a more difficult parcours in Colorado. It has never been difficult. I just don't get it.
Reminds me of Cali the first few years, not using the natural terrain to its greatest advantage.
 
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TourOfSardinia said:
What a waste of a climb
all back together on the long long descent.

Today's stage is better designed. You've got the Independence Pass from the hard side to soften up the riders. BMC will want to control on the climb. Any breakaway that holds on the climb or just form afterwards will have to include strong riders. The last two climbs form a nice one-two. The penultimate climb will split up the race and there will be attacks on the short final climb. On the other hand, one problem with the race is the dominance of BMC.

Yesterday's stage was definitely a waste of a beautiful climb (in racing terms). I don't know the geography of Colorado, maybe they could find a short sharp climb around Aspen. Independence Pass would thin out the peloton (even after the descent) and there would be more attacks, rather than general regroupment. The first part of Independence pass is just too easy to split up the race, especially as there were no serious climbs earlier.
There aren't short sharp climbs around aspen, the only thing that you could use after Indipendence Pass is probably Maroon Creek Rd, but it's just 9,8km at 4,1%.
There aren't too many short steep climbs in Colorado, around Idaho Srings you have the Virginia Canyon Rd/Two Brothers Rd combination, 5,3km at 9,6% with a max. gradient of 20%, the 2km in the middle of the climb are unpaved but in good condition and after the climb you have a 4km long deescent until you reach centra city.
Around Boulder you have Magnolia Rd, 6,6km at 9,1%, then it's flat and unpaved. There should be enough space to host a MF, but otherwise you could add 3km of false flat on unpaved roads after the climb and have a finish in Aspen Meadows, but there should be enough space on top of th climb to host a MTF.
The race already has used unpaved roads before, so that shouldn't be a big problem.

Thanks for the description. Of course, the rockies are much younger mountains than the Alps, the distance between towns much larger, there are fewer roads, which generally have to take all forms of traffic, so it is natural that the roads there are less steep. As you show though, I'm sure they could find a better parcours.

"Last night's" stage had more potential, but again BMC are too strong. At least the strongest guy is now leading the race, instead of his "tailguard".
 
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A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?
 
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Roude Leiw said:
A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?

LOL Colorado is the end of the world?
 
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A couple other short sharp climbs do exist around the Boulder/Denver area too...an MTF on these might be interesting racing. I suspect they wouldn't ever be used due to remoteness etc. I'd like the see the organizers take a risk and try them though...

https://www.strava.com/segments/663988 (dirt/gravel, but very ride-able)
https://www.strava.com/segments/883989

Throw that stuff after doing something like Lee Hill up to Ward, down through Sugarloaf and then back up through Magnolia to one of them as a finish, you might see some fireworks. The altitude is lower so it might make riders a bit more willing to attack, and having a pitchy finale is always fun, right? Put all that after Horsetooth or Carter Lake or something you have the possibility of a pretty epic stage both for a breakaway win and GC shakeup. The only problem is no finishing town...but come on, spectacle!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9937284

Am I crazy or should USAPC do something like that?
 
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Max Rockatansky said:
The Pikes Peak Cycling Hill Climb is held every July, so why not make this a stage finish here?

http://www.strava.com/segments/pike-s-peak-625021

Or on Mt. Evans?

Evans is never pitchy...it's a long evil drag for sure, but I'm not sure it would make for better racing that we've seen. It's also so high I suspect these guys would be afraid to go into the red to attack for fear they will never recover. VDV has said that over and over on the USAPC broadcast this year.

I'm not sure if Pikes Peak is similar...never ridden it...
 
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Carols said:
Roude Leiw said:
A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?

LOL Colorado is the end of the world?

Well yes, considering that most WT pros and the European conti pros are actually based in Europe. It is the middle of the season and just to get there, I would say that most of them look at 10+ hours of travelling plus time zone change. So this is a lot of effort to get there and show nothing....

PS I am aware that for you US boys the US are the center of the world, but for cycling, I would say it is more in Europe
 
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SlowFeet said:
Max Rockatansky said:
The Pikes Peak Cycling Hill Climb is held every July, so why not make this a stage finish here?

http://www.strava.com/segments/pike-s-peak-625021

Or on Mt. Evans?

Evans is never pitchy...it's a long evil drag for sure, but I'm not sure it would make for better racing that we've seen. It's also so high I suspect these guys would be afraid to go into the red to attack for fear they will never recover. VDV has said that over and over on the USAPC broadcast this year.

I'm not sure if Pikes Peak is similar...never ridden it...
Pikes Peak is steeper, 31,2km at 6,5% but with some flat in the middle, the final 19km are at 7,4% but 2km are only at 3,9, the rest is even steeper. Pikes Peak would be a fantastic climb to have in a race, long, hard and stunning.
 
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Roude Leiw said:
A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?
Vacation, shopping, I don't know!!
 
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Escarabajo said:
Roude Leiw said:
A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?
Vacation, shopping, I don't know!!
Maybe some riders like to smoke a little bit of weed?
 
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Phinney just posted a time of 18:50....I would really like to see him take the win but my guess is Dennis will.
 
Feb 23, 2014
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Well nevermind....a guy I haven't even heard of just beat Phinney by 1 second. Dan Eaton
 
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Roude Leiw said:
Carols said:
Roude Leiw said:
A boring race. I do not get why no WT team is in the least interested to make something happen? I mean BMC is bossing, but Garmin/Saxo/Trek are just watching things unfold and are happy to participate in a well organized group ride :confused: why travel to the end of the world in the first place ?

LOL Colorado is the end of the world?

Well yes, considering that most WT pros and the European conti pros are actually based in Europe. It is the middle of the season and just to get there, I would say that most of them look at 10+ hours of travelling plus time zone change. So this is a lot of effort to get there and show nothing....

PS I am aware that for you US boys the US are the center of the world, but for cycling, I would say it is more in Europe

As far as cycling is concerned US is definetly not the end of the world. In fact, it has great cycling history, and long lasting domestic scene and one of the best amateur calendars. Not to mention it's people are much more interested in cycling than many European nations.