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7th last year and seemed to be going better this year but in terms of bike handling he makes Thibaut Pinot look like Danny MacAskill.
Hugo Koblet said:
7th last year and seemed to be going better this year but in terms of bike handling he makes Thibaut Pinot look like Danny MacAskill.
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If Dumoulin wins there will be a major collapse in CN site. All GC contenders will have to make way to the new kid on the block. Records books will start to shake!!classicomano said:
If Dumoulin rides smart, rides his own pace, doesn't try to follow attacks and uses the descents to his advantage he could do very well - he's strong obviously and any rain might be in his favour. On the other hand if he thinks he's Contador now, then he's going to be in big trouble
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And Dan Martins other GT results speak for themselves:
Vuelta 2009: 53rd
Giro 2010: 54th
Vuelta 2011: 13th
Tour 2012: 35th
Tour 2013: 33rd
Vuelta 2013: DNF
Tour 2015: 39
Vuelta 2015: DNF
I know, and I like Martin and would love to see him contend for a podium in a GT, but that 7th place doesn't really mean much. I mean just look at some of the names that have done equally as well in the Vuelta in the last five years: Roche (5th in 2013 and 7th in 2010), Ten Dam (8th in 2012), Monfort (6th in 2011), Velits (3rd in 2010).vedrafjord said:
And Dan Martins other GT results speak for themselves:
Vuelta 2009: 53rd
Giro 2010: 54th
Vuelta 2011: 13th
Tour 2012: 35th
Tour 2013: 33rd
Vuelta 2013: DNF
Tour 2015: 39
Vuelta 2015: DNF
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Well, he's still 2nd in the GC, in front of all the other big names. Ofcourse he's not as good as 2012/2013, but still good (or experienced) enough to try something.
Kwibus said:
Well, he's still 2nd in the GC, in front of all the other big names. Ofcourse he's not as good as 2012/2013, but still good (or experienced) enough to try something.
If only nibali was still here, astana would have gone full *** giro style.
I don't expect much from any other teams.
I don't expect much from any other teams.
the stage looks awesome but i think many of the tour riders will take it easy until late because they are not sure of their form and afraid to go themselves. The more i think about the more I believe it will be an anti-climax tomorrow.
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i remember the eneco ardennes stage a few years back, when stybar won gc. Dumoulin was isolated early, led the final 30km or so chasing and still came in with the bestEyeballs Out said:
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Yes,This is what should happen. This race should get blown to bits and "then who knows who will win"
If I was a rider who did not ride the tour, I would attack but keep it controlled from the first climb. Put all the tour riders under pressure. Astana have a great chance to get their sh%% together and prove they can be fearsome like in the giro.
So far its been easy for the usual players. Big chance for someone or some riders to get big time ,,,if they have the lower hanging man containers.
Fernandez said:
Yes,This is what should happen. This race should get blown to bits and "then who knows who will win"
If I was a rider who did not ride the tour, I would attack but keep it controlled from the first climb. Put all the tour riders under pressure. Astana have a great chance to get their sh%% together and prove they can be fearsome like in the giro.
So far its been easy for the usual players. Big chance for someone or some riders to get big time ,,,if they have the lower hanging man containers.
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There you again underestimating the abilty of Nicolas Roche just because he finds it hard to lose weight and keep power (and needs alot of racing to get to form) but he is a far better rider than anyone you have mentioned in that list and more robust a GT rider than many including his cousin. In the 2013 Vuelta there were so many of the so called favourites on here in the race including Henao (as SKY leader) Uran , Mollema , Pinot, Pozzovivo , Konig, Fuglsang,etc. Still better than them and also in 2010 if you look at the roster he right up there . Maybe than just blindly listing names you should look at the competition before you decry his achievements. And how many GTs the so called better riders have done top 10 in ?
And just becasue the Vuelta is at the end of the season it has always had strong racing and measures form and ability in different way
Just goes to underline the bias rubbish written on here
Hugo Koblet said:
There you again underestimating the abilty of Nicolas Roche just because he finds it hard to lose weight and keep power (and needs alot of racing to get to form) but he is a far better rider than anyone you have mentioned in that list and more robust a GT rider than many including his cousin. In the 2013 Vuelta there were so many of the so called favourites on here in the race including Henao (as SKY leader) Uran , Mollema , Pinot, Pozzovivo , Konig, Fuglsang,etc. Still better than them and also in 2010 if you look at the roster he right up there . Maybe than just blindly listing names you should look at the competition before you decry his achievements. And how many GTs the so called better riders have done top 10 in ?
And just becasue the Vuelta is at the end of the season it has always had strong racing and measures form and ability in different way
Just goes to underline the bias rubbish written on here
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On a more serious note, I think that what you just wrote underlines my initial point. Roche is a decent but by no means great rider. The fact that he has finished 5th and Martin 7th tells you more about the nature of the Vuelta than of anything else.
I'm sorry. Don't take it so personal, Nicolas.HelloDolly said:
On a more serious note, I think that what you just wrote underlines my initial point. Roche is a decent but by no means great rider. The fact that he has finished 5th and Martin 7th tells you more about the nature of the Vuelta than of anything else.
I really hope he wins, but I fear Froome may crack tomorrow.
Either way Aru will be the best of the GC contenders (aside from Froome possibility), he will attack very late, gain several seconds and realize he should have gone earlier.
I fear that the stage may not live up to the hype (though Domoulin has no chance imo)
Either way Aru will be the best of the GC contenders (aside from Froome possibility), he will attack very late, gain several seconds and realize he should have gone earlier.
I fear that the stage may not live up to the hype (though Domoulin has no chance imo)
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opening climbs of the stage to be passed very very slowly. the bunch of 30-40 riders to hit the bottom of the final ascent. froome or quintana to win and take over the leader jersey. dimoulin to be thrown away from top 5
the peloton is too tired and cooked to lauch early fireworks. we haven't seen any strong team initiative in the race thus far. eventually it's 3rd gt of the season and it's difficult to expect risky moves on the 1st big mountain stage.Miburo said:
opening climbs of the stage to be passed very very slowly. the bunch of 30-40 riders to hit the bottom of the final ascent. froome or quintana to win and take over the leader jersey. dimoulin to be thrown away from top 5
Why a joke, it's a nice idea, it will provide a nice little bit of action as the favourites try to get the extra seconds on offer. There are seconds on offer, right? Otherwise it's useless.
Can't see any of the serious contenders go for a long-ranger. Tour guys have a high likelihood of blowing themselves up completely, when doing it, while race situation at the moment is not forcing their hands either.
Those who did the Giro, like Aru, will probably be in better place form-wise versus the likes of Quintana and Froome later in the race. So a stage to Ermita del Alba, for example, would be more beneficial to them to take big risks on (if needed), than tomorrows.
So, important attacks probably come only on the last climb. Most important, though, is to have constant high pace over all the climbs, so the great terrain can do its work before the favorites come out to play.
Stage winner either someone from the break, or Aru if it comes down to GC favorites also fighting out the stage.
Those who did the Giro, like Aru, will probably be in better place form-wise versus the likes of Quintana and Froome later in the race. So a stage to Ermita del Alba, for example, would be more beneficial to them to take big risks on (if needed), than tomorrows.
So, important attacks probably come only on the last climb. Most important, though, is to have constant high pace over all the climbs, so the great terrain can do its work before the favorites come out to play.
Stage winner either someone from the break, or Aru if it comes down to GC favorites also fighting out the stage.
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Yes and if this was 2012/2013 he would've lead this Vuelta with a minute with the parcours until now. Atleast a minute.
Arredondo said:
Yes and if this was 2012/2013 he would've lead this Vuelta with a minute with the parcours until now. Atleast a minute.
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