2015 Vuelta Stage 7: Jódar>La Alpujarra (191.1k)

[Kwibus]

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People will never be happy in this forum!!

haha, I think you´re right

I remember how we did nothing but complain during the Giro.

Seriously, you guys have absolutely no standards. You should work on your self-esteem, love yerselves a little more, y'know?

The times I act like an sour purist are gone. I enjoy a good race when there is one. Only the first MTF in the TdF had me take a bitter pill for a half day until I realised it wasnt Sky being unbelievable good, but most of all their rivals being really poor that day.
Looking back at the stage I can enjoy it. Not at that time tbh, because it was really my least favourable outcome.

 

[Kwibus]

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I guess he is just being polite in the interview, but for what contribution is Lindeman thanking his teammates?

I guess that it was just standard procedure.
Possible Lindemans thoughts: Oh god im being interviewed live on the tele...ehm what do they usually say... Oh right! I thank my teammates for helping me all day!

 

[Kwibus]

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Is it just me or everyone is on its own at team Sky!

Why not? People moan that Sky are too one dimensional and lack a plan b, now here they are giving riders a chance as Froome obviously doesn't have he legs. Makes sense to let Nieve and Roche do their own thing, I'm surprised Henao dropped easily today though.

My thoughts exactly. Specially Roche who is quite consistently good at the Vuelta so it would be silly to let him wait for Froome.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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I guess he is just being polite in the interview, but for what contribution is Lindeman thanking his teammates?

I guess that it was just standard procedure.
Possible Lindemans thoughts: Oh god im being interviewed live on the tele...ehm what do they usually say... Oh right! I thank my teammates for helping me all day!

Its a pity the sport is going in the PR correct mode in these situations.
Its much more enjoyable listening to a "first time winner" speak his free mind.

 

[Kwibus]

Most of all. No conclusions can be made until the Andorra stage.

Really. So much up in the air right. Can go any direction.

 

[hrotha]

If wanting the contenders to race for more than 1-2 km in any given stage before declaring it to be a good one is to be a sour purist, then by all the gods, I am a sour purist, and everyone who isn't is terribly misguided.

 

[Kwibus]

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If wanting the contenders to race for more than 1-2 km in any given stage before declaring it to be a good one is to be a sour purist, then by all the gods, I am a sour purist, and everyone who isn't is terribly misguided.

GC action was certainly poor. By no means I am denying that, but the breakaway action was a lot of fun imo. 7km of no idea who would win.

 

[May0maniac]

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Is it just me or everyone is on its own at team Sky!

Why not? People moan that Sky are too one dimensional and lack a plan b, now here they are giving riders a chance as Froome obviously doesn't have he legs. Makes sense to let Nieve and Roche do their own thing, I'm surprised Henao dropped easily today though.

Yeah, it's a breeze of fresh air and it's nice to see them riding for personal glory. I also expected much more from Henao.

 

[Rajna31]

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I guess he is just being polite in the interview, but for what contribution is Lindeman thanking his teammates?

I guess that it was just standard procedure.
Possible Lindemans thoughts: Oh god im being interviewed live on the tele...ehm what do they usually say... Oh right! I thank my teammates for helping me all day!

Well, I didn't see how the breakaway was formed and all, but getting into the breakaway is often a team effort. Not only can teams pull back certain groups that don't include the guy they want away (probably not the case today), but getting to the front is not easy on a stage like this. For example, there was a Backstage Pass last year after Weening had taken the win in Sestola, where he explained that he didn't feel good at the start and was pulled by Tuft all the way until he made the breakaway. From there on, he was on his own, but he would have never been able to make the breakaway if his teammates hadn't helped him.

Anyway, that's just one possibility. It could also be just a generic interview, not having anything to say or other things too.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Is it just me or everyone is on its own at team Sky!

Why not? People moan that Sky are too one dimensional and lack a plan b, now here they are giving riders a chance as Froome obviously doesn't have he legs. Makes sense to let Nieve and Roche do their own thing, I'm surprised Henao dropped easily today though.

My thoughts exactly. Specially Roche who is quite consistently good at the Vuelta so it would be silly to let him wait for Froome.

Yes, Roche could get a decent top 10 here. Thomas said in a pre Vuelta interview that Roche was looking very strong and we've seen that so far.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Very happy with Aru's performance today, but then again, 1 mountain only stages on 7,8,9% is where he seem to be at his best

 

[pastronef]

Antoine VAyer about Tom Dumoulin performance

Ton Moulin

https://www.twitter.com/festinaboy/status/637314980006727680

 

[sir fly]

I wonder if Astana and Movi consider the stage as a missed opportunity to eliminate Froome from the GC contention.
My impression is that they shouldn't be too happy with a half a minute they've gained.

 

[Tank Engine]

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Is it just me or everyone is on its own at team Sky!

Why not? People moan that Sky are too one dimensional and lack a plan b, now here they are giving riders a chance as Froome obviously doesn't have he legs. Makes sense to let Nieve and Roche do their own thing, I'm surprised Henao dropped easily today though.

I think Henao had a bad crash at the start of the race, so maybe he's still feeling the effects of that. Still he didn't lose too much time, so maybe he'll show something later.

In some ways it's a nice position for Sky. Froome is not out of the picture, although it's definitely not a good sign that he lost time today. Now there is more pressure on Movistar and Astana to act as they have the favourites and they have to attack in the second week to get rid of Dumoulin and finish off Froome. Chaves will be isolated when the road goes up. Roche, Nieve and Henao can sometimes go for their own personal goals, sometimes help each other out. I think there will be some surprises in the second week.

Oh, and watch out for G in week 3.

 

[Red Rick]

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People will never be happy in this forum!!

Oh have you noticed?

Gc action was tame indeed, maybe people prefer a TDF first MTF with the sky train riding everybody home. Last time that happened everybody went beserk. Doesn't matter what happens, it's never good.
The andorra stage will provide the neccesary fireworks, no doubt.

Because of the slow Gc action we got to witness an extremely pleasant breakway final if you ask me. Constantly changing dynamics and everytime that I thought now Lindeman is gone for good were plenty. Yet he won, which as a dutchie is always pleasant.

I really like breakways surviving tbh. Gives the race 2 finals!

Haven't you guys watched the goddamn Giro d'Italia this year. It was 7 kinds of awesome

 

[T-Nielsen]

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I wonder if Astana and Movi consider the stage as a missed opportunity to eliminate Froome from the GC contention.
My impression is that they shouldn't be too happy with a half a minute they've gained.

I don't think they had much chance of taking more time today. The climb had a flat bit in the middle where team sky could have pulled anything back they had done on the lower slope. After the flat bit they did what they cold, but no one had really great legs.

 

[sir fly]

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I wonder if Astana and Movi consider the stage as a missed opportunity to eliminate Froome from the GC contention.
My impression is that they shouldn't be too happy with a half a minute they've gained.

I don't think they had much chance of taking more time today. The climb had a flat bit in the middle where team sky could have pulled anything back they had done on the lower slope. After the flat bit they did what they cold, but no one had really great legs.

You're right about the legs.
The Sky avoiding to line up the train at the front should have been indicative for Movi and Astana, though.
I think they're regretting for not trying it at least half a kilometre sooner.

 

[T-Nielsen]

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I wonder if Astana and Movi consider the stage as a missed opportunity to eliminate Froome from the GC contention.
My impression is that they shouldn't be too happy with a half a minute they've gained.

I don't think they had much chance of taking more time today. The climb had a flat bit in the middle where team sky could have pulled anything back they had done on the lower slope. After the flat bit they did what they cold, but no one had really great legs.

You're right about the legs.
The Sky avoiding to line up the train at the front should have been indicative for Movi and Astana, though.
I think they're regretting for not trying it at least half a kilometre sooner.

You have a good point in Astana and Movistar needing to exploit Froomes "weakness" as soon as they can. If they give him time they will end up regretting it.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I wonder if Astana and Movi consider the stage as a missed opportunity to eliminate Froome from the GC contention.
My impression is that they shouldn't be too happy with a half a minute they've gained.

Maybe if they attacked hm before, Froome put time into thems, sometimes he looks like over and suddenly he recover and he attack.. you never knows...I remenber spanish comentators, and even landa who was that day on TV, aying fropome was very bad in la Pierre, he sometimes even drpred from his team...

 

[Sasquatch]

Great win for Lindeman.

 

[42x16ss]

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People will never be happy in this forum!!

Oh have you noticed?

Gc action was tame indeed, maybe people prefer a TDF first MTF with the sky train riding everybody home. Last time that happened everybody went beserk. Doesn't matter what happens, it's never good.
The andorra stage will provide the neccesary fireworks, no doubt.

Because of the slow Gc action we got to witness an extremely pleasant breakway final if you ask me. Constantly changing dynamics and everytime that I thought now Lindeman is gone for good were plenty. Yet he won, which as a dutchie is always pleasant.

I really like breakways surviving tbh. Gives the race 2 finals!

Haven't you guys watched the goddamn Giro d'Italia this year. It was 7 kinds of awesome

Everyone is waiting until stage 11 to really kick things off - that stage looks brutal

 

[HelloDolly]

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Is it just me or everyone is on its own at team Sky!

Why not? People moan that Sky are too one dimensional and lack a plan b, now here they are giving riders a chance as Froome obviously doesn't have he legs. Makes sense to let Nieve and Roche do their own thing, I'm surprised Henao dropped easily today though.

I think Henao had a bad crash at the start of the race, so maybe he's still feeling the effects of that. Still he didn't lose too much time, so maybe he'll show something later.

In some ways it's a nice position for Sky. Froome is not out of the picture, although it's definitely not a good sign that he lost time today. Now there is more pressure on Movistar and Astana to act as they have the favourites and they have to attack in the second week to get rid of Dumoulin and finish off Froome. Chaves will be isolated when the road goes up. Roche, Nieve and Henao can sometimes go for their own personal goals, sometimes help each other out. I think there will be some surprises in the second week.

Oh, and watch out for G in week 3.

So let me get this right

Nicolas Roche in 4th place should not expect the backing of the the SKY team (if Froome is out and I say if) after he rode himself inside out for SKY at the Tour and is lying in 4th place?
Henao who is showing nothing should be allowed to do his own thing because ?? Its not like he has ever gotten a result in a GT ??

I have heard some bias crap in my time but that takes the biscuit

Even someone earlier saying Roche should ride for Froome to get a top 5 place ?

Before this race I argued that Roche would be one of SKYs best bets on GC (if Froome not good) but no ...it was he should ride for Henao or Nieve as he was past it ...typical rubbish but the same few who don't really have a clue what they are talking about.

And as fro saying we have seen no GC action yet...hello that was the GC in action

Aru, Chaves , Martin, , Roche, Dumoulin,Valverde, Quintana are the GC in case you haven't noticed
And all have been in action in some way or other

Talk about have only one outdated world view

 

[Kwibus]

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I guess he is just being polite in the interview, but for what contribution is Lindeman thanking his teammates?

I guess that it was just standard procedure.
Possible Lindemans thoughts: Oh god im being interviewed live on the tele...ehm what do they usually say... Oh right! I thank my teammates for helping me all day!

Well, I didn't see how the breakaway was formed and all, but getting into the breakaway is often a team effort. Not only can teams pull back certain groups that don't include the guy they want away (probably not the case today), but getting to the front is not easy on a stage like this. For example, there was a Backstage Pass last year after Weening had taken the win in Sestola, where he explained that he didn't feel good at the start and was pulled by Tuft all the way until he made the breakaway. From there on, he was on his own, but he would have never been able to make the breakaway if his teammates hadn't helped him.

Anyway, that's just one possibility. It could also be just a generic interview, not having anything to say or other things too.

I didn't see the interview live on tele, but from what I've read in hindsight is that he thanked the team for the trust they gave him most of all. So not really thanking his teammates for their help, but more the team management. Makes more sense, ofcourse getting into the break can be a team effort, but on a stage like this my guess is that the breakaway was formed directly.

 

[Kwibus]

Antoine VAyer about Tom Dumoulin performance

Ton Moulin

https://www.twitter.com/festinaboy/status/637314980006727680

No idea what's he saying.
Always those foreign language post without translation. If your going to post it take some effort to translate.
Well that's my opinion atleast

 

[Kwibus]

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People will never be happy in this forum!!

Oh have you noticed?

Gc action was tame indeed, maybe people prefer a TDF first MTF with the sky train riding everybody home. Last time that happened everybody went beserk. Doesn't matter what happens, it's never good.
The andorra stage will provide the neccesary fireworks, no doubt.

Because of the slow Gc action we got to witness an extremely pleasant breakway final if you ask me. Constantly changing dynamics and everytime that I thought now Lindeman is gone for good were plenty. Yet he won, which as a dutchie is always pleasant.

I really like breakways surviving tbh. Gives the race 2 finals!

Haven't you guys watched the goddamn Giro d'Italia this year. It was 7 kinds of awesome

Ofcourse I have. The Giro pretty much always delivers.
Must add that without that crazy strong Astana it would've been different. And we can't expect that craziness every single stage tbh.