2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km MTT

[Red Rick]

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This MTT is pretty regular. Those first 2 km of flat are somewhat trivial I think.

What winning time do we expect? 27 minutes or thereabouts? Is the time limit gonna be an issue?

Eshnar predicts about 25 in the preview
I think time differences will be bigger than people might expect after such a hard day yesterday and this climb is no joke.

25 minutes would be like 1880 VAM with WITH false flat.

 

[RedheadDane]

Obvious Ji Cheng win is obvious!

On a more serious note; I've no idea who's gonna win!

 

[portugal11]

Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

I hope Kruijswijk will get this one.Zakarin maybe we'll have better luck this time and improve his GC position.

Looool, if zakarin crashes in a mountain... he should go home and never riding a bike again

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

This MTT is pretty regular. Those first 2 km of flat are somewhat trivial I think.

What winning time do we expect? 27 minutes or thereabouts? Is the time limit gonna be an issue?

Eshnar predicts about 25 in the preview
I think time differences will be bigger than people might expect after such a hard day yesterday and this climb is no joke.

25 minutes would be like 1880 VAM with WITH false flat.

Then tell Eshnar he is stupid, I have no clue about these numbers

 

[sir fly]

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Recovery will play major part. Tomorrow's winner is probably going to win the whole race

Nah... Rogla's already too far behind in the GC.

 

[Robert5091]

Majka to surprise everyone ... including me!

 

[Eshnar]

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25 minutes would be like 1880 VAM with WITH false flat.

Then tell Eshnar he is stupid, I have no clue about these numbers

The Cronotabella in the website goes from 23' to 27'... so I'm not the only one predicting around 25'

 

[Valv.Piti]

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25 minutes would be like 1880 VAM with WITH false flat.

Then tell Eshnar he is stupid, I have no clue about these numbers

The Cronotabella in the website goes from 23' to 27'... so I'm not the only one predicting around 25'

Well I have no clue about it, I just simply answered his question with that I read in your preview and he seems to believe it will be a fair amount slower

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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You don't need special skills to do well in MTTs, other than knowing how to do an evenly paced effort.

Strongest climber wins. Those that do badly aren't climbing well.

Tipping Nibali. He wasn't much weaker than Chavez and Crushweak today, we know he has good recovery, he knows how to ride TTs.

Indeed. Nibali kept riding his own pace today and actually gained some seconds back near the summit of Valparola. He's good at pacing himself, but so is the diesel-engine Kruijswijk.

I think Chaves might lose 20-30 seconds, though - he's more of a punchy climber who excels psychologically in 'mass start' races. Could be wrong though - afterall Garzelli won the MTT to Kronplatz a few years back.

Valverde, on a good day, could also win the ITT because it's so short.

 

[BigMac]

Battaglin ahead of SK.

 

[hfer07]

Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

Nibs to win it

however- How much time will he gain against Kruijswijk & Chavito? Will he get to wear pink?

BTW- Valverde to claw back

 

[Ataraxus]

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Battaglin ahead of SK.

Someone please open the "Bataglin is the new Machado" thread.

Edit: And the "BigMac is the new Isnogoud " thread as well.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

Kruijswijk to crush the weak.
Nibali is also well possible since after he dropped he lost hardly any time climbing. I don't think Chaves will win (although its of course not that unlikely) but to me he just doesnt seem to be such a good diesel climber like Kruijswijk who just sets one high pace on a climb and holds it. However I could easily be completely false since I always think that a climber who also is good in flat TT's will win but at the end that usually doesnt matter at all.

 

[Ataraxus]

Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

Kruijswijk to crush the weak.
Nibali is also well possible since after he dropped he lost hardly any time climbing. I don't think Chaves will win (although its of course not that unlikely) but to me he just doesnt seem to be such a good diesel climber like Kruijswijk who just sets one high pace on a climb and holds it. However I could easily be completely false since I always think that a climber who also is good in flat TT's will win but at the end that usually doesnt matter at all.

Like.

 

[GuyIncognito]

This is going to be the acid test for Kruijswijk. I'd be very happy if he can win the Giro, and this is on paper the stage most suited to him

 

[ice&fire]

Re: Re:

This MTT is pretty regular. Those first 2 km of flat are somewhat trivial I think.

What winning time do we expect? 27 minutes or thereabouts? Is the time limit gonna be an issue?

Eshnar predicts about 25 in the preview
I think time differences will be bigger than people might expect after such a hard day yesterday and this climb is no joke.

25 minutes would be like 1880 VAM with WITH false flat.

We already know from the ITT in Chianti that Eshnar predictions are a bit optimistic

 

[Red Rick]

Say the first 1.8k take about 2.5 minutes (43.2kph on a false flat), then the part after that is 752m of altitude gain in about 9kms, so that's like 8.3%.

Final time Climbing time VAM (m/h)
22' 19.5' 2313.846154
23' 20.5' 2200.97561
24' 21.5' 2098.604651
25' 22.5' 2005.333333
26' 23.5' 1920
27' 24.5' 1841.632653
28' 25.5' 1769.411765
29' 26.5' 1702.641509
30' 27.5' 1640.727273

You make your guess

 

[Eshnar]

Well I do expect a higher VAM than usual, this is a MTT after all. Anyway I can't be as wrong as I was with the ITT, so I'm good

 

[Red Rick]

Well, today was kinda tough though. How far apart do they start?

 

[Mr.White]

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Recovery will play major part. Tomorrow's winner is probably going to win the whole race

So if Valverde is going to win tomorrow, he will win the Giro?

Yes

 

[Eshnar]

Re: 2016 Giro d'Italia - Castelrotto – Alpe di Siusi 10.8 km

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/giro-italia-orden-salida-de-la-cri-a-alpe-di-siusi-22-05-2016
The last 15 riders 3 mins apart, the others 1 minute

 

[Red Rick]

Thanks mate

 

[SeriousSam]

What was Lance's VAM at the Alpe TT?

 

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily?lang=nl

For the final 8.9km, so essentially the climb. Times in 2009 were aroun 27 minutes, in the first week of the Giro at the end of a short stage. However, this is the last part of the full climb, which is like 24km at 6%. Otoh, this the 2009 Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

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What was Lance's VAM at the Alpe TT?

Think it was high 1700, low 1800ish. However, Alpe d'Huez is like 40 to 50% longer. Altitude is the same