2016 TdF, Stage 2: Saint-Lô → Cherbourg-en-Cotentin (183km)

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DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Losing lean weight would only diminish his chances as he loses lactate-clearing muscle.
 

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MacBAir said:
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Nice to see the yellow jersey on the world champions shoulders!
Do they have a special jersey (or something) for those occasions? I mean, they should have. Doesn't he also have green jersey?
I would assume that Tinkoff will have a (yellow) jersey printed up tonight that has the rainbow bands on it, but the green jersey will be relegated to the next person in line, I'm not sure who that is at the moment.
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
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So who wins the Tour, Froome or Quintana?
On the evidence of today, Quintana.
What evidence is that? Climbing (marginally) more slowly?
I guess the suggestion is that Quintana normally comes into the Tour slowly and finishes it flying - while Froome the other way round. If Quintana is already matching Froome at this stage, then it's looking good for him.

Personally I wouldn't read too much into it - the vast majority of GC riders finished in the same bunch - would have been a big shock if Quintana got dropped from such a big group on such an easy climb.
Pinot lost 11 seconds though.
 
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CheckMyPecs said:
DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Losing lean weight would only diminish his chances as he loses lactate-clearing muscle.
He'd create less lactate anyway
 
Kreuziger is in very good form...AT least Tinkoff need to protect him on GC

Majka has lost alot of time

Mixed feeling about Contador ...want him tot fight on but not if injured and cannot do a podium now...its quite painful to see him struggle
 
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Arredondo said:
DFA123 said:
Armchair cyclist said:
Põhja Konn said:
CheckMyPecs said:
So who wins the Tour, Froome or Quintana?
On the evidence of today, Quintana.
What evidence is that? Climbing (marginally) more slowly?
I guess the suggestion is that Quintana normally comes into the Tour slowly and finishes it flying - while Froome the other way round. If Quintana is already matching Froome at this stage, then it's looking good for him.

Personally I wouldn't read too much into it - the vast majority of GC riders finished in the same bunch - would have been a big shock if Quintana got dropped from such a big group on such an easy climb.
Pinot lost 11 seconds though.
Yeah, that was shocking.
 
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Damn, if Purito was placed at the front he could have had a decent result today. He looks in decent form.

Always good to see the World champion winning, but disappointing to see Contador and Porte lose time.
 
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DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
LBL entered the last few (3?) KMs with a bunch of 60 to 70 riders since, like, 2013. Now, the last climb has cobbles in it, before it and after it.

Amstel... Peter podiumed there already in worse shape than he is now. The muur is a tough one, but Phil did it and there's almost no action before it.

After today's finish, his performance's at Tirreno, Ronde and the worlds, his masterpiece at Suisse... You are completely wrong.
 
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Contador could still recover and be in a good condition to fight for third. That was probably the most likely place he'd up with in peak condition too.
 
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Red Rick said:
CheckMyPecs said:
DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Losing lean weight would only diminish his chances as he loses lactate-clearing muscle.
He'd create less lactate anyway
Lol, indeed! Considerably less than if he'd be dragging an extra 5kg of bulk up every single climb.
 
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Red Rick said:
CheckMyPecs said:
DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Losing lean weight would only diminish his chances as he loses lactate-clearing muscle.
He'd create less lactate anyway
Really he should get heavier. If he could lift his way to 100kg of beautiful, sculpted, upper body muscle he'd never have to worry about lactate again.
 
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MacBAir said:
DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
LBL entered the last few (3?) KMs with a bunch of 60 to 70 riders since, like, 2013. Now, the last climb has cobbles in it, before it and after it.

Amstel... Peter podiumed there already in worse shape than he is now. The muur is a tough one, but Phil did it and there's almost no action before it.

After today's finish, his performance's at Tirreno, Ronde and the worlds, his masterpiece at Suisse... You are completely wrong.
All of which, of course, have a completely different set of demands to the Ardennes. He has no chance of challenging for LBL or FW at his current weight. He consistently can't even put out a sprint at the end of Strade Bianche because he is so cooked - let alone coping with the extra 1500m of climbing in the Ardennes.
 
Good for nairo, Valverde looking pretty sharp.

Froome looking class as expected, entertaining to see him having a go in the sprints

Sad for bert, though we might get to see some attacks earlier than anticipated with his time loss.
 
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DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Sagan can win on almost any terrain nowadays. It didn't matter today, if it had been a flat stage or a hilly ardennes-like profile. The guy has won mountain stages in Tour de Suisse and he's won the Tour of California by finishing 6th on Mt. Baldy . .
 
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Red Rick said:
CheckMyPecs said:
DFA123 said:
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
Losing lean weight would only diminish his chances as he loses lactate-clearing muscle.
He'd create less lactate anyway
The scientific reference I posted on the other thread explains how a bulkier upper-body clears more lactate than it creates.
 
Jun 13, 2016
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DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
DFA123 said:
MacBAir said:
So, this was the best possible stage for Roman and Peter. Peter wins the stage (bosses it), shows everybody that not even the Ardennes are safe. The other Bosses the hill, does a terrific job and sees the leader falter due to injury.

Peter should now be the undisputed leader, and Roman should be their GC guy/Workhorse for finishes like these/breaks.
Dude, it was nothing like the Ardennes. It came after a flat stage not 4000m or so of tough climbing. A flat stage with a fairly challenging uphill sprint was tailor-made for Sagan and he duly delivered. Fair play to him, but he's got a lot of weight to lose before he can challenge for LBL or FW.
LBL entered the last few (3?) KMs with a bunch of 60 to 70 riders since, like, 2013. Now, the last climb has cobbles in it, before it and after it.

Amstel... Peter podiumed there already in worse shape than he is now. The muur is a tough one, but Phil did it and there's almost no action before it.

After today's finish, his performance's at Tirreno, Ronde and the worlds, his masterpiece at Suisse... You are completely wrong.
All of which, of course, have a completely different set of demands to the Ardennes. He has no chance of challenging for LBL or FW at his current weight. He consistently can't even put out a sprint at the end of Strade Bianche because he is so cooked - let alone coping with the extra 1500m of climbing in the Ardennes.
Did you miss the part where he podiumed Amstell and where 70 riders or more reach the last climb of LBL, a cobbled climb? Answer this, please.

Also, not sprinting at the end of Strade had something to do with other factors (shape, mind, pressure). He also showed more consistency on those races than any other rider.
 

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