2016 Tour de Suisse, 11-19 June

[Gigs_98]

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I think they should move the Tour de Suisse back a week. Shouldn't matter that it clashes witht the Dauphine. You can't do both anyway, and I think that way the TdS can attract a better field.

It probably would attract a better field but I dont think it makes sense out of a financial standpoint.

 

[May0maniac]

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I think they should move the Tour de Suisse back a week. Shouldn't matter that it clashes witht the Dauphine. You can't do both anyway, and I think that way the TdS can attract a better field.

It probably would attract a better field but I dont think it makes sense out of a financial standpoint.

I think they should swap places on the race calender, let the TdS be the longer and harder race that takes place a week earlier and have a Dauphine with more short but steep climbs a week later.
ASO would probably never agree, that's the problem.

 

[KyoGrey]

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And you didn't even bring up Ion v Jon

Intxausti, Insausti, Inchausti

The correct Basque spelling is Izagirre. Izaguirre is Spanish spelling. You may meet people in LatinAmerica as Yzaguirre. Ion and Jon are both correct Basque spellings, being Jon more popular.
There are two main reasons why many of us have our family names spelled in Spanish. The oldest one being that people working for State institutions did not know Basque, the more modern one that in Franco's time Basque was forbidden and names had to be in Spanish.
In my mom's family there are siblings having their mom's family name spelled different ways.

This is blatantly false.

The "re-Basquisation" of traditional Basque surnames dropping castillian-like linguistic spellings such as Churruca/Txurruka or Izaguirre/Izagirre is a recent phenomenon that started in the 60's with the creation of Standard Basque or euskera batua that has ultimately allowed the survival of that wonderful language but that at the same time included artificial spelling modifications such as the introduction of the "tx" and "k" letters for everything or the dropping of the silent "u" in Gui or Gue to further differenciate it visually from Spanish.

If Ion Izagirre had been born before Franco, or in the 19th, 17th or 16th century he would have been called Izaguirre. As Amets Txurruka probably most famous ascendent, Cosme Damián Churruca, proud Basque, did in the day.

The same can be said for half of the "traditional" Basque names, which far from having a milenarial background, were directly invented by Sabino Arana in it's "Calendario/Santoral Vasco" 100 years ago in order to have an alternative to the castillian names that most of Basque-speaking people used up to that time.

Cheers

Maybe I explained myself incorrectly, but please could you be less harsh! O menos hiriente, chico.
I've got all my familiy names dated until 17th century spelled different wyas, AND has nothing to do with Batua. As I have mentioned, the isssue before 20th century was that the "secretarios civiles", most of them, didn't know Basque, so they wrote the names as they understood it. Basques, were not literate and plain people didn't speak Spanish, so they didn't check. It has nothing to do with Sabino. Most of the spelling and wording in Batua has removed anything related to Sabino. Please, in Basque there are 3 different pronutiations: "tx", "tz" and "ts", you castillian boy ALL of them transalate it to CH.

My best

Apa, y saludos wapo

My bad if it was harsh. A lo mejor en inglés uno no controla tanto el tono

I'm happy that you realised that your family names up to the 17th century have nothing to do with Standard Batua Basque created less than 50 years ago.

That only proves my argument that it is an absurdity to get upset about Basque people having Spanish-like spelled surnames in the past instead of Basque-spelled surnames, because the concept of Basque-spelling rules dfferent from Spanish ones didn't existed at the time!

Un Saludo.

 

[Kwibus]

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Miguel Angel Lopez, Izagirre, Talansky and Barguil all still pretty close in the GC

Tomorrow = epic

Also strong recovery by Kelderman

Kelderman just messed up his gearing yesterday, which is just completely unbelievable.... Specially if you consider they told him he better use smaller gearing, but he refused and then on the final climb he was surprised.. (year really....) by the steepness of it and completely blew.

This team really values their fail status at times.

Still he's having a good Swiss and I hope he learns from the past and he can keep on staying good!

 

[yetanothergreenworld]

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so who is the best descender out of lopez,izaguirre and talansky?

Izagirre.

I wouldn't put my money on that, both are great descenders.

Barguil is also a pretty good descender (his famous run-in with Thomas aside). At last year's TDF there were a number of moments where he got gapped by the GC favorites going up a climb and managed to rejoin on the way down thanks to some well-handled corners.

 

[Gigs_98]

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I think they should move the Tour de Suisse back a week. Shouldn't matter that it clashes witht the Dauphine. You can't do both anyway, and I think that way the TdS can attract a better field.

It probably would attract a better field but I dont think it makes sense out of a financial standpoint.

I think they should swap places on the race calender, let the TdS be the longer and harder race that takes place a week earlier and have a Dauphine with more short but steep climbs a week later.
ASO would probably never agree, that's the problem.

100% this. Imo the tds should be one of the most prestigious if not the most prestigious stage race behind the gt's but it has the field comparable to the tour de pologne. Changing places with the dauphine would surely help

 

[Valv.Piti]

Many good options. i'd like to see something happening so Suisse attracts a better field, it has insane potential. But this field is actually not that bad, surely, it has to be better than 2014 and 2015 fx? Its also a very good place for younger rides to shine, but then again, so is so many others and this one should attract superstars outside of Sagan.

 

[lenric]

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Many good options. i'd like to see something happening so Suisse attracts a better field, it has insane potential. But this field is actually not that bad, surely, it has to be better than 2014 and 2015 fx? Its also a very good place for younger rides to shine, but then again, so is so many others and this one should attract superstars outside of Sagan.

Bigger prize. More €. That would surely be a good way. The rulers of cycling are getting greedy. Much like Bernie Ecclestone when it comes to cars.

 

[boasson]

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Kelder, G and Tejay with attacks at the first climb with many teammates up the road is pretty likely. Similar to the last Stage at 2014 when Costa won it because of his attack with Frank and the teammates riding him to the win.
It will be a brutal hard stage for Astana from km 0 to the finish line. It's impossible to control this stage against 2-3 strong riders from far out and 4 GC guys at the last Climb. Especially when teams like Sky and BMC have nothing to lose.

 

[Mr.White]

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Kelder, G and Tejay with attacks at the first climb with many teammates up the road is pretty likely. Similar to the last Stage at 2014 when Costa won it because of his attack with Frank and the teammates riding him to the win.
It will be a brutal hard stage for Astana from km 0 to the finish line. It's impossible to control this stage against 2-3 strong riders from far out and 4 GC guys at the last Climb. Especially when teams like Sky and BMC have nothing to lose.

And you think Movistar and Cannondale would let such move go, and wouldn't help Astana? I don't think so. I think the last climb and descent will settle things. Hoping for Izagirre win, but it's going to be very hard to drop Superman

 

[Yingge]

Weather isn't looking good - 7C and light rain at present, Max is forecast to be 9C, but that's at Davos. Could be snowing on the passes. A day for the Eskimos - unless the Weather Protocol is invoked.

 

[Jagartrott]

They could take the train back to Davos, but otherwise, there are no alternatives for the Flüelapass.

 

[RedheadDane]

Of course they're not gonna use the EWP for a bit of rain. Rain isn't extreme weather.
The EWP is for situation where there's real risk it'll be dangerous.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Of course they're not gonna use the EWP for a bit of rain. Rain isn't extreme weather.
The EWP is for situation where there's real risk it'll be dangerous.

The protocol needs to be burned.

Edit: No Albula, starting in La Punt instead

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Start has been moved to 2 pm for the reasons Valv.Piti outlined above.

 

[Jagartrott]

So, a 57 km stage.

 

[liamito]

So the Gran Fondo riders do the complete stage and the pro's only 57k?

 

[RedheadDane]

Well, then that's the decision they made. I'm gonna assume the people who're actually in Switzerland - especially the riders, who're the ones who're gonna ride the stage - are in a somewhat better position to make the decision.

 

[Alexandre B.]

So it's not a GC stage anymore?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kittel for the win

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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Well, then that's the decision they made. I'm gonna assume the people who're actually in Switzerland - especially the riders, who're the ones who're gonna ride the stage - are in a somewhat better position to make the decision.

Of course not. Every decision should be taken by this forum and by this forum only. Because everyone here has ridden mountain stages in snow and at -7C on a daily basis back in the glory days of cycling.

 

[roundabout]

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Well, then that's the decision they made. I'm gonna assume the people who're actually in Switzerland - especially the riders, who're the ones who're gonna ride the stage - are in a somewhat better position to make the decision.

Of course not. Every decision should be taken by this forum and by this forum only. Because everyone here has ridden mountain stages in snow and at -7C on a daily basis back in the glory days of cycling.

I am not sure that the weather is going to be that much better on the Flüela to justify doing it, but not Albula.

 

[RedheadDane]

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So it's not a GC stage anymore?

That would depend on the riders, wouldn't it?
Maybe they'll decide to "pay back" for having the stage shortened by going into crazy attack-mode.
Maybe the people who need to make up time will realise that they only have 57 km to do so in, and go into crazy attack-mode.
Maybe they won't.
Maybe, if the stage had been run in full length, the riders would have protested it by riding slowly.
Maybe, if the stage had been run in full length, the riders would have still attacked like crazy.
We'll just never know what would have happened if the stage had been run in full length.

Well, then that's the decision they made. I'm gonna assume the people who're actually in Switzerland - especially the riders, who're the ones who're gonna ride the stage - are in a somewhat better position to make the decision.

Of course not. Every decision should be taken by this forum and by this forum only. Because everyone here has ridden mountain stages in snow and at -7C on a daily basis back in the glory days of cycling.

I am not sure that the weather is going to be that much better on the Flüela to justify doing it, but not Albula.

Again, I'm sure the people in Switzerland know what they're doing.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Let's face it, 95% of folk on this forum could have ridden today's stage in full.

And at the end we'd all have gone for a hearty beer in Davos.

 

[saganftw]

was it fabian again?