2016 Vuelta a España, stage 11: Colunga > Peña Cabarga

[Cance > TheRest]

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Which really really attacks did you see in the last 4 Years at GTs from him? I mean no alibi or pseudo attacks to quit the race after burning himself senseless at the first Climb with "fever". Or attacks with 3 riders at the wheel and doing a stop and go ride afterwards until the finish. I mean a potentially GT winning attack like Andy in 2011, Quintana at the Giro 2014 in the downhill, Nibali at this years Giro to destroy Krujse and Valverde or Froomes mountain, downhill and crosswinds attacks at the TDFs.

TDF 2013?
Vuelta 2014?
Giro 2015?
TDF 2015?
TDF 2016?
Vuelta 2016?

Not really. So the only thing to expect from him in this vuelta are short attacks at the last climb to kill himself completely like at Covadonga. When he know its over, he will try from far out at saturday. But it will be for the show. Not to win this race.

I dont know if I would categorize this a brave attack. Certainly smart, but I don't think Quintana risked anything physically (i.e. the risk of blowing up your legs), since all he did was riding the descent at a normal pace, while Uran and co. had been told not to.

 

[The Barb]

Tejay from the break today I think.

 

[Sasquatch]

The guys going for KOM will save their energy, so don't expect Fraile, Geniez, De Gendt or Mate in the break. Gesink hopefully will get the win he deserves. Final climb suits him. That or LLS

 

[DBotero]

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One of the mythical climbs where The Great One's ascent to GC supremacy began in 2011. Should be a close duel against the young Colombian, with lesser riders reduced to watching the spectacle unfold from a distance

He should normally attack here but considering Quintana looks stronger it may end up losing more time to him.Maybe a defensive game is still better until their level is closer.

 

[Matteo.]

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One of the mythical climbs where The Great One's ascent to GC supremacy began in 2011. Should be a close duel against the young Colombian, with lesser riders reduced to watching the spectacle unfold from a distance

Actually Contador's ascent to GC supremacy began well before the 2011 Giro - in 2008 won the Giro after allegedly "sitting on a beach", then 2009 at Verbier or even 2007 going toe to toe with Rasmussen when he was only 24 years old. These are the instances that built AC's reputation well before 2011.

But he's no longer young and has been at the top of the sport for most of the last 10 years so I remain unconvinced what he can do the rest of this Vuelta against younger competition like Quintana who is obviously in peak form. But he is Contador after all so he won't die wondering he will attack because that is how he always races even when weak by his own standards.

Good post

Which really really attacks did you see in the last 4 Years at GTs from him? I mean no alibi or pseudo attacks to quit the race after burning himself senseless at the first Climb with "fever". Or attacks with 3 riders at the wheel and doing a stop and go ride afterwards until the finish. I mean a potentially GT winning attack like Andy in 2011, Quintana at the Giro 2014 in the downhill, Nibali at this years Giro to destroy Krujse and Valverde or Froomes mountain, downhill and crosswinds attacks at the TDFs.

TDF 2013?
Vuelta 2014?
Giro 2015?
TDF 2015?
TDF 2016?
Vuelta 2016?

Not really. So the only thing to expect from him in this vuelta are short attacks at the last climb to kill himself completely like at Covadonga. When he know its over, he will try from far out at saturday. But it will be for the show. Not to win this race.

Contador's Monte Ologno 2015 , this unknow.
His ultimate real attack

 

[gregrowlerson]

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One of the mythical climbs where The Great One's ascent to GC supremacy began in 2011. Should be a close duel against the young Colombian, with lesser riders reduced to watching the spectacle unfold from a distance

Actually Contador's ascent to GC supremacy began well before the 2011 Giro - in 2008 won the Giro after allegedly "sitting on a beach", then 2009 at Verbier or even 2007 going toe to toe with Rasmussen when he was only 24 years old. These are the instances that built AC's reputation well before 2011.

But he's no longer young and has been at the top of the sport for most of the last 10 years so I remain unconvinced what he can do the rest of this Vuelta against younger competition like Quintana who is obviously in peak form. But he is Contador after all so he won't die wondering he will attack because that is how he always races even when weak by his own standards.

Good post

I am a believer too.

Alberto starts taking time back tonight!!

It's a shorter climb, so he'll at least be where he was at the corresponding stage of the final climb of stage 10

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

I expect a nervous start, with many many riders trying to take the breakaway, risk of falls is high

 

[DBotero]

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Would Froome have taken those 11 secs on Cobo in 2011 had he been using his yoyo powermeter style?

It might have worked i think :lol: If i remember right he was using some kind of yoyo in that race too while working for Wiggins.

 

[Lexman]

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I expect a nervous start, with many many riders trying to take the breakaway, risk of falls is high

that's indeed the case

 

[Oliver]

Looks like a nice climb at the end. Hope there's a fight for the win between the GC guys. But can't see Contador winning this.

 

[Lexman]

Bevin abandons (to much hindered by consequences of his crash on monday)

 

[silvergrenade]

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One of the mythical climbs where The Great One's ascent to GC supremacy began in 2011. Should be a close duel against the young Colombian, with lesser riders reduced to watching the spectacle unfold from a distance

Actually Contador's ascent to GC supremacy began well before the 2011 Giro - in 2008 won the Giro after allegedly "sitting on a beach", then 2009 at Verbier or even 2007 going toe to toe with Rasmussen when he was only 24 years old. These are the instances that built AC's reputation well before 2011.

But he's no longer young and has been at the top of the sport for most of the last 10 years so I remain unconvinced what he can do the rest of this Vuelta against younger competition like Quintana who is obviously in peak form. But he is Contador after all so he won't die wondering he will attack because that is how he always races even when weak by his own standards.

Good post

Which really really attacks did you see in the last 4 Years at GTs from him? I mean no alibi or pseudo attacks to quit the race after burning himself senseless at the first Climb with "fever". Or attacks with 3 riders at the wheel and doing a stop and go ride afterwards until the finish. I mean a potentially GT winning attack like Andy in 2011, Quintana at the Giro 2014 in the downhill, Nibali at this years Giro to destroy Krujse and Valverde or Froomes mountain, downhill and crosswinds attacks at the TDFs.

TDF 2013?
Vuelta 2014?
Giro 2015?
TDF 2015?
TDF 2016?
Vuelta 2016?

Not really. So the only thing to expect from him in this vuelta are short attacks at the last climb to kill himself completely like at Covadonga. When he know its over, he will try from far out at saturday. But it will be for the show. Not to win this race.

Didnt you see the downhill attack in TdF 2013 where he just about brought Froome down?
Funny reading he wants the last 3 Km neutralized.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[HelloDolly]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

The fact that some people may copy the The Great One nickname for Froome can be thought of an acknowledment of Contador's relevance in this sport.

BTW, I don't understand why it seems incompatible to support both riders. I personally think that if Froome lacked the support of the Sky juggernaut, he wouldn't hesitate to attempt great solo exhibitions a la Contador style.

Froome has shown hints of this kind of greatness. The problem is that it is hidden behind the Sky-train orthodoxy.

Perhaps in the future, when father time shows his humanity and contradictions he will become a loved rider for the general public. It usually goes that way. The general international opinion on Contador or Valverde is very different today that it was in 2009 for example.

No Froome will be admired but never loved...He isn;teven loved by the British unlike Wiggins

 

[staubsauger]

:lol: So the Nibali fanboys truly already build up the legend that Nibali all-in-attacked and brought down Kruijswijk at this years Giro!?

Nibali was dropped by the first attack of Chaves. Although Kruijswijk was at the limit up the Agnello he easily marked Nibali as well as Chaves before. Then he made a mistake when he was eating and overshot the corner because he ain't look up.

 

[Alexandre B.]

BotD :

Hermans, Keizer, Malacarne, De Kort, Frohlinger, Reijnen, Bakelants, Domont, Machado, Restrepo, Armee, Serry, Stybar, Rolland, Janse Van Rensburg, Kudus, Warbasse, Durasek, Koshevoy, Benedetti, Pfingsten, Arroyo, Madrazo

 

[cantpedal]

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Would Froome have taken those 11 secs on Cobo in 2011 had he been using his yoyo powermeter style?

Nah when you see Froome yoyo, it is when he is not 100%, or close to it. During 2012 Vuelta he was stronger than what he is now.

Yep, in 2012, he trained quite a bit between the Olympics and the Vuelta. Result? He was looking good in the first week and then fatigue crippled him. Meanwhile this year, he's hardly trained, hoping to build form over the course of 3 weeks and more importantly hoping that fatigue doesn't hit him anywhere near as hard

Hardly trained and pushing 6.17 w/kg on a a Mountain finish. :lol:

I hope you don't seriously believe that.

Hardly trained for the 10 days between the Olympics and start of the Vuelta and pushing 6.17w/kg after 10 days of racing. Anyway, where did you get that figure of 6.17w/kg from? If that was the case, Quintana would be pushing 6.3w/kg

Why he used the scientific method. He guessed his weight and counted the seconds in hi head.

 

[Brullnux]

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:lol: So the Nibali fanboys truly already build up the legend that Nibali all-in-attacked and brought down Kruijswijk at this years Giro!

Nibali was dropped by the first attack of Chaves. Although Kruijswijk was at the limit up the Agnello he easily marked Nibali as well as Chaves before. Then he made a mistake when he was eating and overshot the corner because he ain't look up.

I wouldn't exactly say he was dropped; it was more of a can of not over exerting yourself. Like Froome does when he then just easily catches up with the competitors. Especially considering that on that stage Nibali was quite a bit stronger than Chaves. Wasn't Chaves already not with Nibali/Kruisjwijk by the time he crashed?

 

[Brullnux]

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BotD :

Hermans, Keizer, Malacarne, De Kort, Frohlinger, Reijnen, Bakelants, Domont, Machado, Restrepo, Armee, Serry, Stybar, Rolland, Janse Van Rensburg, Kudus, Warbasse, Durasek, Koshevoy, Benedetti, Pfingsten, Arroyo, Madrazo

Pretty small break. What's the gap?

Arroyo ftw.

 

[Red Rick]

Tinkoff working in the peloton now

Ladies and gentlemen

 

[Samamba]

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BotD :

Hermans, Keizer, Malacarne, De Kort, Frohlinger, Reijnen, Bakelants, Domont, Machado, Restrepo, Armee, Serry, Stybar, Rolland, Janse Van Rensburg, Kudus, Warbasse, Durasek, Koshevoy, Benedetti, Pfingsten, Arroyo, Madrazo

Pretty small break. What's the gap?

Arroyo ftw.

23 riders is small?

 

[Miburo]

Tinkoff riding. Restday powerup

 

[Brullnux]

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BotD :

Hermans, Keizer, Malacarne, De Kort, Frohlinger, Reijnen, Bakelants, Domont, Machado, Restrepo, Armee, Serry, Stybar, Rolland, Janse Van Rensburg, Kudus, Warbasse, Durasek, Koshevoy, Benedetti, Pfingsten, Arroyo, Madrazo

Pretty small break. What's the gap?

Arroyo ftw.

23 riders is small?

It was sarcastic

 

[Valv.Piti]

Rolf Sørensen talked with DS Lars Michaelsen on Tinkoff this morning about Contador. He said a psysio said Contador was 100% now after his left leg was somewhat blocked after the crashed. Its gone now and would explain why Tinkoff has taken the front. Good to hear.

 

[Miburo]

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Rolf Sørensen talked with DS Lars Michaelsen on Tinkoff this morning about Contador. He said a psysio said Contador was 100% now after his left leg was somewhat blocked after the crashed. Its gone now and would explain why Tinkoff has taken the front. Good to hear.

Get ready to get rekt bro

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Rolf Sørensen talked with DS Lars Michaelsen on Tinkoff this morning about Contador. He said a psysio said Contador was 100% now after his left leg was somewhat blocked after the crashed. Its gone now and would explain why Tinkoff has taken the front. Good to hear.

Get ready to get rekt bro

Im all in for a good race.. as long as Quintana or Valverde wins in the end. 3 minutes?