In the 2016 Giro he countered an attack from Nibali on a MTF and beat him by 20 seconds and also beat the other GC contenders. There are plenty of other examples of mountain stages of him performing on level of the GC contenders in a grand tour. While also being a great TT and improved climbing since then. I don't think a rider can be capable of that and be a "long way off"... ranked below Landa ??? I guess we'll see what happens in May.
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I think the 2015 Vuelta was by far his best chance. He was under the radar, the field was weak with Froome crashing out and Quintana ill, and nobody attacked on the early climbs. Yet, when it suddenly became clear he was a real threat, Astana dispatched him with 50km to go on a stage with pretty easy climbs. The Giro is completely different with this course - it's a race for the pure climbers, and, even if he goes as well as he possible can, he won't have the advantage of flying under the radar this time.
Landa is something completely different; he's a pure climber and way more suited to the Giro. He was by far the strongest climber in the race during the third week of the 2015 Giro. He was dropping Contador and his own team leader on some of the hardest climbs in pro cycling at the end of a brutally tough race. He may well never fulfil it, but I think he certainly has the potential to win a GT. Dumoulin doesn't.
But that was also in a one off stage. The most decisive factor in challenging for a GT is being able to consistently stay with the best in the mountains, without a single really bad day. Loads of riders - including many non contenders - can put in one or two great days in the mountains during a GT, but it's completely different doing it for three weeks.spiritualride said:
I think the 2015 Vuelta was by far his best chance. He was under the radar, the field was weak with Froome crashing out and Quintana ill, and nobody attacked on the early climbs. Yet, when it suddenly became clear he was a real threat, Astana dispatched him with 50km to go on a stage with pretty easy climbs. The Giro is completely different with this course - it's a race for the pure climbers, and, even if he goes as well as he possible can, he won't have the advantage of flying under the radar this time.
Landa is something completely different; he's a pure climber and way more suited to the Giro. He was by far the strongest climber in the race during the third week of the 2015 Giro. He was dropping Contador and his own team leader on some of the hardest climbs in pro cycling at the end of a brutally tough race. He may well never fulfil it, but I think he certainly has the potential to win a GT. Dumoulin doesn't.
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There was a bit of a headwind too which helped Dumoulin a bit in comparison to the lighter and less powerful climbers. Perhaps. Not 100%
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Headwind doesn't help you get a gap and increase it with smaller group compared to a larger one. That climb suited Dumoulin to the bone though. It may just be his biggest problem that his most favoured road stages where he actually would have an edge on the better climbers are the ones where it's hard to get a gap and where big gaps are uncommon.
If Dumoulin achieves the level required to win GTs, it will still be dependent on the route and the opposition. And he may have to ride very opportunistic outside the TTs. He has the benefit of losing relatively little when he drops early on a final climb, but limiting your losses to below 2 minutes per TT is simply impossible that way.
If Dumoulin achieves the level required to win GTs, it will still be dependent on the route and the opposition. And he may have to ride very opportunistic outside the TTs. He has the benefit of losing relatively little when he drops early on a final climb, but limiting your losses to below 2 minutes per TT is simply impossible that way.
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It looked strange. The others looked back and G just kept riding. A nice reply after yesterday's disaster.
Geraint Too Fast said:
It looked strange. The others looked back and G just kept riding. A nice reply after yesterday's disaster.Re:
Yeah I know but I imagine a headwind would suit the more powerful riders compared to say Pozzovivo, but I am not sure
Red Rick said:
Yeah I know but I imagine a headwind would suit the more powerful riders compared to say Pozzovivo, but I am not sure
The thing is Dumoulin with a decent team would never have lost the amount of time on a Vuelta stage, his lack of decent climbing domestiques will count against him like Kruiwijk last year? Though Kruiwijk was even stronger
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. Tibopino is doing just fine . Watching the videos, FDJ played it good, but conservative. As it turned out, it worked.
Steps in a finish is idiotic. Every flat gets the field together, and the run-in was meh. Bad design. Don't half-@ss a murito. Either you do it, or you don't.
Thibaut will podium this race. What step on the podium is the question.
Stop playing with my blood pressure AlexandreAlexandre B. said:
. Tibopino is doing just fine . Watching the videos, FDJ played it good, but conservative. As it turned out, it worked. Steps in a finish is idiotic. Every flat gets the field together, and the run-in was meh. Bad design. Don't half-@ss a murito. Either you do it, or you don't.
Thibaut will podium this race. What step on the podium is the question.
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It wasn't a lack of climbing Doms that cost Kruijswijk in last years Giro, it was the crash which cost him a podium and possibly the race but I still think Nibali would of overcome him in the end. Dumoulin won't have a strong team but it won't be his team that will cost him in the Giro, all he has to do is hang on on in the high mountains, attack on the smaller climbs which he's shown that he can so and then go all out in the TT's. This season he's put more effort training as a climber unlike last season and preparing for that 2015 Vuelta, I don't think he has a hope to claim a podium but he can finish inside the top 10 by the time the race ends which would be a good achievement looking at the possible Giro field.
del1962 said:
It wasn't a lack of climbing Doms that cost Kruijswijk in last years Giro, it was the crash which cost him a podium and possibly the race but I still think Nibali would of overcome him in the end. Dumoulin won't have a strong team but it won't be his team that will cost him in the Giro, all he has to do is hang on on in the high mountains, attack on the smaller climbs which he's shown that he can so and then go all out in the TT's. This season he's put more effort training as a climber unlike last season and preparing for that 2015 Vuelta, I don't think he has a hope to claim a podium but he can finish inside the top 10 by the time the race ends which would be a good achievement looking at the possible Giro field.
Current weather forecast for tomorrow's Terminillo stage. Sunny, but freezing cold.
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False.
In case of an emergency like that, or in Dumoulins case, being outclimbed just before a long terrain in between two climbs or onto the finish line, a couple of domestiques nearby can make the difference between losing and winning. But the probability of preventing such events is also an important factor here. Let's say it might have been a different scenario on the Colle d'Agnello if Kruijswijk have had one or two guys with him. Now he was extremely vulnerable for being put under pressure, which happened indeed.
StryderHells said:
False.
In case of an emergency like that, or in Dumoulins case, being outclimbed just before a long terrain in between two climbs or onto the finish line, a couple of domestiques nearby can make the difference between losing and winning. But the probability of preventing such events is also an important factor here. Let's say it might have been a different scenario on the Colle d'Agnello if Kruijswijk have had one or two guys with him. Now he was extremely vulnerable for being put under pressure, which happened indeed.
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Obviously without the crash Kruijswijk would have been ok, but after the crash had he had stronger teammates he could have limited his losses and even caught Nibali.
Similarly with stronger teammates at the Vuelta Dumoulin is not left isolated, so limits hi losses.
StryderHells said:
Obviously without the crash Kruijswijk would have been ok, but after the crash had he had stronger teammates he could have limited his losses and even caught Nibali.
Similarly with stronger teammates at the Vuelta Dumoulin is not left isolated, so limits hi losses.
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With teammates then Kruijswijk doesn't need to follow the kamikaze descending, so doesn't go beyond his limits and crash. He just chills out and lets the team bring him back on the Queyras valley road.
del1962 said:
With teammates then Kruijswijk doesn't need to follow the kamikaze descending, so doesn't go beyond his limits and crash. He just chills out and lets the team bring him back on the Queyras valley road.
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