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And yes, I know that Trentino is not part of the Tirol, which is why they would be against the Tirol-Rundfahrt name, but at the same time the old name wasn't Giro del Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, so the Tirolers were shut out from the old name themselves
(interestingly, the women's race is called Giro del Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol).
I know a lot of the name changes are to do with sponsors (Binck Bank Tour, Healthy Ageing Tour, Classic Haribo and so on), but this is a bit like when the Hessen-Rundfahrt became the 3-Länder Tour. It's quite difficult to find a suitable compromise name, but the former just sounds better because it's specific, you know where they're touring, rather than vague. And Paris-Bruxelles just sounds like more of a prestigious event than Brussels Cycling Classic, similarly - because although none of the "Paris - ?" races actually start in Paris these days, they come with connotations of a long, arduous point to point race, whereas Brussels Cycling Classic falls foul of two of the big problems now - firstly, the use of the word Classic in the name of the race, which is usually a surefire way of guaranteeing that the race isn't of that status (San Sebastián is perhaps the closest to an exception), and secondly, a name that suggests a generic branded city centre race, along the lines of Velothon Berlin, which completely hides the race's history as one of the big autumn one-dayers of times gone by.
The old name obviously is no longer applicable because the race is covering a much wider area now. But the new name has been unsuccessful in conveying the race's history and prestige and because the rebranding has hidden a lot of that, it looks like a new generic 2.1 race on the palmarès, rather than an established race with 50 years of history and an illustrious winner's list including Moser, Saronni, Visentini, Chioccioli, Bugno, Chiapucci, Argentin, Fondriest, Savoldelli, Cunego, Basso, Simoni, Nibali, Vinokourov, Scarponi and Evans.
Of course, but something like Tirol-Rundfahrt just reflects much better. Tour of the Alps is very generic, and could be anywhere. It just reflects some vague race that by assumption must be mountainous. Isn't the Tour de Suisse, by proxy, a Tour of the Alps in some part? How about the Dauphiné, which is all about the Rhône-Alpes département (at least before the mergers)? Settimana Lombarda? Giro della Valle d'Aosta (after all, that never leaves the Alps)? It takes away some of the identity.jaylew said:
And yes, I know that Trentino is not part of the Tirol, which is why they would be against the Tirol-Rundfahrt name, but at the same time the old name wasn't Giro del Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, so the Tirolers were shut out from the old name themselves
(interestingly, the women's race is called Giro del Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol).I know a lot of the name changes are to do with sponsors (Binck Bank Tour, Healthy Ageing Tour, Classic Haribo and so on), but this is a bit like when the Hessen-Rundfahrt became the 3-Länder Tour. It's quite difficult to find a suitable compromise name, but the former just sounds better because it's specific, you know where they're touring, rather than vague. And Paris-Bruxelles just sounds like more of a prestigious event than Brussels Cycling Classic, similarly - because although none of the "Paris - ?" races actually start in Paris these days, they come with connotations of a long, arduous point to point race, whereas Brussels Cycling Classic falls foul of two of the big problems now - firstly, the use of the word Classic in the name of the race, which is usually a surefire way of guaranteeing that the race isn't of that status (San Sebastián is perhaps the closest to an exception), and secondly, a name that suggests a generic branded city centre race, along the lines of Velothon Berlin, which completely hides the race's history as one of the big autumn one-dayers of times gone by.
The old name obviously is no longer applicable because the race is covering a much wider area now. But the new name has been unsuccessful in conveying the race's history and prestige and because the rebranding has hidden a lot of that, it looks like a new generic 2.1 race on the palmarès, rather than an established race with 50 years of history and an illustrious winner's list including Moser, Saronni, Visentini, Chioccioli, Bugno, Chiapucci, Argentin, Fondriest, Savoldelli, Cunego, Basso, Simoni, Nibali, Vinokourov, Scarponi and Evans.
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I think it's cool names after a beer but I'm Aussie so hahaLaFlorecita said:Your comment about AGR is spot on. I can't take it seriouslyhrotha said:
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When you go from finishing 3rd in the Giro due to dramatic mountain performances to being told you'll be domestiquing at the same race for Geraint freaking Thomas, that does tend to have an effect on your confidence.Rollthedice said:
Yeah, but on the other hand, no one would be talking about Geraint Thomas if Landa had performed last year or early this season.
Nice win for Scarponi!
Tomorrow the weather could be a big problem, really cold and rather strong precipitations and probably snowfall on the Brenner and maybe even on the St. Justina climb and at the finish line.
For the other stages the weather should be nice, but pretty cold.
Tomorrow the weather could be a big problem, really cold and rather strong precipitations and probably snowfall on the Brenner and maybe even on the St. Justina climb and at the finish line.
For the other stages the weather should be nice, but pretty cold.
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True, but the track rider is able to climb with Quintana this year while Landa was like the fourth Froome's gregario in last year's Tour.
Libertine Seguros said:
True, but the track rider is able to climb with Quintana this year while Landa was like the fourth Froome's gregario in last year's Tour.
Scarponi The Legend has done it, yes! Vai Scarpo for the Giro podium!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZuH1lva6LQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZuH1lva6LQ
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Not many, but last two seasons Scarponi was stronger and he absolutely deserves leader position in Giro.klintE said:
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I'll be honest, I don't see how changing the name to Tirol-Rundfart would be any better or convey any history or prestige but then again, I don't really care about that too much. I probably wouldn't even bat an eye if they changed the name of the TdF or the Super Bowl
Libertine Seguros said:Of course, but something like Tirol-Rundfahrt just reflects much better. Tour of the Alps is very generic, and could be anywhere. It just reflects some vague race that by assumption must be mountainous. Isn't the Tour de Suisse, by proxy, a Tour of the Alps in some part? How about the Dauphiné, which is all about the Rhône-Alpes département (at least before the mergers)? Settimana Lombarda? Giro della Valle d'Aosta (after all, that never leaves the Alps)? It takes away some of the identity.jaylew said:
And yes, I know that Trentino is not part of the Tirol, which is why they would be against the Tirol-Rundfahrt name, but at the same time the old name wasn't Giro del Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, so the Tirolers were shut out from the old name themselves
I know a lot of the name changes are to do with sponsors (Binck Bank Tour, Healthy Ageing Tour, Classic Haribo and so on), but this is a bit like when the Hessen-Rundfahrt became the 3-Länder Tour. It's quite difficult to find a suitable compromise name, but the former just sounds better because it's specific, you know where they're touring, rather than vague. And Paris-Bruxelles just sounds like more of a prestigious event than Brussels Cycling Classic, similarly - because although none of the "Paris - ?" races actually start in Paris these days, they come with connotations of a long, arduous point to point race, whereas Brussels Cycling Classic falls foul of two of the big problems now - firstly, the use of the word Classic in the name of the race, which is usually a surefire way of guaranteeing that the race isn't of that status (San Sebastián is perhaps the closest to an exception), and secondly, a name that suggests a generic branded city centre race, along the lines of Velothon Berlin, which completely hides the race's history as one of the big autumn one-dayers of times gone by.
The old name obviously is no longer applicable because the race is covering a much wider area now. But the new name has been unsuccessful in conveying the race's history and prestige and because the rebranding has hidden a lot of that, it looks like a new generic 2.1 race on the palmarès, rather than an established race with 50 years of history and an illustrious winner's list including Moser, Saronni, Visentini, Chioccioli, Bugno, Chiapucci, Argentin, Fondriest, Savoldelli, Cunego, Basso, Simoni, Nibali, Vinokourov, Scarponi and Evans.
I'll be honest, I don't see how changing the name to Tirol-Rundfart would be any better or convey any history or prestige but then again, I don't really care about that too much. I probably wouldn't even bat an eye if they changed the name of the TdF or the Super Bowl
Do we know if Hugh Carthy is going to the Giro?
Seems that's his first semi decent result this year unless I missed something. Hopefully that means he's picking up.
Seems that's his first semi decent result this year unless I missed something. Hopefully that means he's picking up.
deValtos said:
He is scheduled for it, yes.
Well...new race name, same old waiting for hours to get the full results.
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It's nowhere near the worst name on the WT calendar though:
- EuroEyes Classic
- Binckbank Tour (-,-')
- Bretagne Classic
- Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race (this one is by far the worst name ever for a race)
- Eschborn-Frankfurt – Rund um den Finanzplatz
- London–Surrey Classic
- Clásica de San Sebastián
LaFlorecita said:Your comment about AGR is spot on. I can't take it seriouslyhrotha said:
It's nowhere near the worst name on the WT calendar though:
- EuroEyes Classic
- Binckbank Tour (-,-')
- Bretagne Classic
- Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race (this one is by far the worst name ever for a race)
- Eschborn-Frankfurt – Rund um den Finanzplatz
- London–Surrey Classic
- Clásica de San Sebastián
It is not often that a rider wins a race in the god-forbidden combination of short sleeve jersey + long bibs.
Yea, not sure what was wrong with GP Ouest-France. I massively prefer the "GP" names than the "Classic" names. Philadelphia International Criterum was another pretty lame one, and USA Pro Cycling Challenge was downright awful (again, what's wrong with Tour of Colorado?) in the same kind of super-vagueness about what the race actually is. I know the Dauphiné got its name from a newspaper so is just another sponsor race but at least the name of the newspaper took its name from the region so you at least knew what it was they were touring. Part of me likes the native titles but dislikes when they're forced onto races where that isn't the main language (eg Tour de Yorkshire, Giro del Capo), because it seems artificial in much the same way as sticking the word "Classic" onto a brand new one-day race won't make it actually a classic.
It's a difficult one, because obviously the Austrian regions need to be reflected in the race title just the same as they couldn't really justify "Hessen-Rundfahrt" anymore once the race was only spending one and a half of its five days in the region. At the same time, when was the last time the "Tour of the Benelux" actually went into the "lux" part of "Benelux"? Has it ever? I guess it's probably been in the Belgian province of Luxembourg, but what about the Grand Duchy itself?
It's a difficult one, because obviously the Austrian regions need to be reflected in the race title just the same as they couldn't really justify "Hessen-Rundfahrt" anymore once the race was only spending one and a half of its five days in the region. At the same time, when was the last time the "Tour of the Benelux" actually went into the "lux" part of "Benelux"? Has it ever? I guess it's probably been in the Belgian province of Luxembourg, but what about the Grand Duchy itself?
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