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2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, ITT ELITE Wednesday 20 Sept

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Who wins the ITT in Bergen?

  • Tom Dumoulin

    Votes: 104 72.2%

  • Geraint Thomas

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Rohan Dennis

    Votes: 8 5.6%

  • Tony Martin

    Votes: 3 2.1%

  • Chris Froome

    Votes: 12 8.3%

  • Primož Roglič

    Votes: 5 3.5%

  • Michal Kwiatkowski

    Votes: 5 3.5%

  • Stefan Küng

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Maciej Bodnar

    Votes: 5 3.5%

  • Wilco Kelderman

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Total voters
    144
glassmoon

glassmoon

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I don't mind the bike change itself. It's the initial push from mech which is grinding my gears - should be forbidden during the ITT (imho). Heck those few extra secs would maybe even make the change unprofitable (in most cases at least).
 
Gigs_98

Gigs_98

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ppanther92 said:
Austria has exactly one world class time trialist - Brändle. He is also in great form, just won the time trial of the Tour of Denmark. But who is starting? Preidler (which is ok) and Zoidl (when was his last good time trial?)...
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Preidler on this course is surely stronger than Brändle but the thing is, I don't think Preidler is riding. I read somewhere Pöstlberger is the second TT starter.

About the whole Tony Martin debate, I agree that this TT route is a joke. Both the distance and the uphill finish should not be allowed by the UCI.
What I find completely nonsensical is him whining about bike changes. I mean it's not like that's only allowed to climbers and actually I think he is the kind of rider who will benefit from this. After all using a normal road bike will make this climb way easier and isn't it an advantage for a bad climber if the climb gets easier. I think he would lose even more time if he had to use his TT bike.

And another thing about the cycling news article, why the hell is Zakarin such an overrated TT'er. I remember before stage 21 of this years giro there were still people who thought he has a chance to win the gc, and now he gets mentioned as one of the favorites among Froome, Dumoulin and Dennis. The guy only got 4th in the vuelta TT in one of the worst TT fields I've seen in a gt, beaten by Kelderman and Nibali but now he is supposed to be one of the 4 biggest favorites for the title? What the hell?
 
GraftPunk

GraftPunk

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jaylew said:
I don't think a bike change should be allowed but I wonder if we'll see some cross-style bike changes.
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That would be fun but they have to take it from the car, and not on the fly.
 
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Zinoviev Letter

Aug 18, 2010
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yaco said:
I like it when you have a variety of TT courses - And the TT's so far have been entertaining races.
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If TT guys had more chances to win big races, I'd be fine with messing around with the type of course used for the WCITT on occasion. But they don't and the situation is getting continually worse with the slow eclipse of TTing as a discipline. There isn't even one guaranteed long flattish TT per GT any more. GC riders have endless opportunities to win big races. Taking the one big annual event the TTists have per year and skewing it towards GC type riders is disgraceful.

It's even more aggravating that they've stuck the climb only into the TT. The RR - where a serious climb would actually be appropriate - can't have one because then there would be no chance of a home victory.
 
GraftPunk

GraftPunk

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tobydawq

tobydawq

Nov 16, 2013
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The term "individual time trial" does, as far as I can see, not include the words "about 50 kilometres" or "predominantly flat", and just because the ITT at the worlds traditionally is like that, I don't think it neither disgraceful nor gimmicky to mix things up a bit. The best time trialist on the given course will still be found.

To watch the same race year after year is not exactly that interesting (maybe some people think it is), and when the RR is subject to changes of its course, I don't see why the ITT can't be changed too.

The term "individual time trial" does, however, include the word individual, so I too find it appalling that the riders are allowed to be pushed by a mechanic in the event of a planned bike change.
 
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yaco

Jun 20, 2015
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Re: Re:

Zinoviev Letter said:
yaco said:
I like it when you have a variety of TT courses - And the TT's so far have been entertaining races.
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If TT guys had more chances to win big races, I'd be fine with messing around with the type of course used for the WCITT on occasion. But they don't and the situation is getting continually worse with the slow eclipse of TTing as a discipline. There isn't even one guaranteed long flattish TT per GT any more. GC riders have endless opportunities to win big races. Taking the one big annual event the TTists have per year and skewing it towards GC type riders is disgraceful.

It's even more aggravating that they've stuck the climb only into the TT. The RR - where a serious climb would actually be appropriate - can't have one because then there would be no chance of a home victory.
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What - We had 2 flat TT's in the Giro which totalled 68kms - The TDF had a 22km TT which was mostly flat while the Vuelta had a mostly flat 40km TT - Two specialist TT rider's managed two of those 4 stages - You have to remember that Froome and Dumoulin are world top 5 TT'ers so it's no surprise they both won a GT TT.
 
Billie

Billie

Jun 24, 2013
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tobydawq said:
The term "individual time trial" does, however, include the word individual, so I too find it appalling that the riders are allowed to be pushed by a mechanic in the event of a planned bike change.
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Timetrials are won in the windtunnel and at factories after thousands of hours put in by engineers. it's why modern timetrial is a lame discipline which is in fact not at all won on the road.
 
Valv.Piti

Valv.Piti

Aug 3, 2015
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We have pretty much only seen 1 1/2 long, decently flat time trial this year. Whether its because people find them boring or not I don't know, but its a pretty frustrating trend to me. I find it sad that we neglect some of the finest arts of cycling to that extent, the individual time trial... And when I say that I mean the long ones.

That said it will probably be quite interesting to see them go up that climb, but the distance is just nor right. Not only because big championship time trials in my opinion at least should be 45 km long, but also because it gives the climbers an even greater advantage when the flat part of the time trial actually only is 27 km long. When I have ridden time trials it has literally always been longer than this, christ.
 
GraftPunk

GraftPunk

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Billie said:
GraftPunk said:
jaylew said:
I don't think a bike change should be allowed but I wonder if we'll see some cross-style bike changes.
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That would be fun but they have to take it from the car, and not on the fly.
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Not during championships
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Yep, I stand corrected. I guess we'll see who is feeling brave/desperate on a wet day. The push-off by the mechanic is pretty galling.
 
wwabbit

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Aug 29, 2012
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Gigs_98 said:
And another thing about the cycling news article, why the hell is Zakarin such an overrated TT'er. I remember before stage 21 of this years giro there were still people who thought he has a chance to win the gc, and now he gets mentioned as one of the favorites among Froome, Dumoulin and Dennis. The guy only got 4th in the vuelta TT in one of the worst TT fields I've seen in a gt, beaten by Kelderman and Nibali but now he is supposed to be one of the 4 biggest favorites for the title? What the hell?
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Maybe cherrypicking results from http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=149896
 
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hazaran

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The UCI should have a speed sensor at the end of the "red rulebreaking carpet". Then we can have a podium for the bike mechanics.
 
GuyIncognito

GuyIncognito

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Valv.Piti said:
We have pretty much only seen 1 1/2 long, decently flat time trial this year. Whether its because people find them boring or not I don't know, but its a pretty frustrating trend to me. I find it sad that we neglect some of the finest arts of cycling to that extent, the individual time trial... And when I say that I mean the long ones.

That said it will probably be quite interesting to see them go up that climb, but the distance is just nor right. Not only because big championship time trials in my opinion at least should be 45 km long, but also because it gives the climbers an even greater advantage when the flat part of the time trial actually only is 27 km long. When I have ridden time trials it has literally always been longer than this, christ.
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On this we agree.

I don't like where route design has headed over the past decade
 
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