2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, RR ELITE, SUN 24th 277KM!

[Forever The Best]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaJGAboivHk

Missing footage from last 5km. All the salty Sagan haters should watch how he actually managed to work on the front and drastically helped to bridge the breakaway.

Yes, everyone that dislikes Sagan hates excellence

 

[Forever The Best]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

Not in the same league as Nibali or Barguil at the Vuelta, looked just like a borderline sticky bottle from the clip.

Borderline sticky bottle? He got a 200m pull. The sticky bottles that are condoned last no longer than a second or 2.

Indeed.
When Nibali does it is a problem but when Moscon does it is not a problem according to some here which is very hypocritical.

 

[hrotha]

I can't tell. Haven't seen those races. I just remember Boonen paced by the Mr Bookmaker car after a puncture at the 2004 E3 Harelbeke. I remember Bernard Thévenet explicitly said that it was tolerated on France TV a long time ago. I remember Voeckler on an edition of the Tour of Lombardy while not even having bad luck.

Had Moscon not crashed he would have been up there.

"Paced", not "towed".

 

[Andy262]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaJGAboivHk

Missing footage from last 5km. All the salty Sagan haters should watch how he actually managed to work on the front and drastically helped to bridge the breakaway.

aaargh, he was just wheelsucking some guys trying to bridge

Now irony off, he did today what he needed to do. I have posted this earlier, but Sagan somehow gets his head straight for the WC. And has the correct amount of luck too. It seems like someone just wants him in that jersey and is pulling the strings

And the mayhem that has been spilt on his head after the race, one can only shake his head. On the both sides, fans or haters theres so much hypocracy that it's got really ridiculous.

Just seen those missing kms. Sagan's positioning going into the second last corner was pure class.

 

[Forever The Best]

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Cort... Cort... Cort... what were you doing?
He probably wouldn't have won if he'd waited for the sprint, he might not even have gotten a medal, but a top-10?

Cort raced to win, he was right to attack.

 

[Forever The Best]

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It just comes down to bad routes. Ponferrada was meh, Richmond was bad, Doha was Doha and Bergen was also meh. The harder the race (Mendrisio and Firenze lately), the better the race. Thats why Innsbruck will be great.

Geelong was awesome. It should be possible to have an easier route for people other than the Ardenne specialists without it necessarily becoming a bunch sprint, if only people actually rode to maximize their chances of victory. It's stupid to wait until the last 60 km to get serious on a course like this.

Nibali and Gilbert were awesome that day _O_

 

[Valv.Piti]

I don't remember Geelong actually. 07-10 were some good races, its pretty frustrating that the 'biggest' one day race has been so underwhelming lately.

 

[pink_jersey]

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It just comes down to bad routes. Ponferrada was meh, Richmond was bad, Doha was Doha and Bergen was also meh. The harder the race (Mendrisio and Firenze lately), the better the race. Thats why Innsbruck will be great.

Geelong was awesome. It should be possible to have an easier route for people other than the Ardenne specialists without it necessarily becoming a bunch sprint, if only people actually rode to maximize their chances of victory. It's stupid to wait until the last 60 km to get serious on a course like this.

Nibali and Gilbert were awesome that day _O_

And Cadel too if I remember correctly.

 

[RedheadDane]

Just imagine if Kristoff had pulled this off. I think I might've been able to hear the roar of celebrating Norwegians from home. Or from my parents', which is where I was at the moment.
Valv.Piti might've had a bigger chance of hearing it, as he's (slightly) closer to Bergen than I am.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

Moscon..!?.. he got like 100mts on Henao in 3sec...
Gaviria.. what was he thinking?? i guess it comes with age and experience.. Sagan himself made a lot of bad calls when younger..
this chances don't come often...
but the coverage.. k-mon.. that would`ve been awesome...

 

[Pantani_lives]

It was always the danger that the sprinters would come back. Sagan confirms that he's the best finisher after a selective race. Juraj was there to bring him to the beginning of the final lap. The rest he did by himself. He was lucky that Italy and Norway went full in the pursuit, but that's how you win tactical races.

Alaphilippe and Wellens were strong, but attackers are seldom rewarded on this kind of course.

 

[Netserk]

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I don't remember Geelong actually. 07-10 were some good races, its pretty frustrating that the 'biggest' one day race has been so underwhelming lately.

Aye, those editions were truly great. Only Firenze has been great since. I'm only moderately hopeful for next year, but the two afterwards should be good as well.

 

[Billie]

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I don't remember Geelong actually. 07-10 were some good races, its pretty frustrating that the 'biggest' one day race has been so underwhelming lately.

World Championships with Bruseghin >>> WC's without Bruseghin

 

[ihosama]

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http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/matchcenter/mc_wielrennen/Comp_WK_wielrennen-2017/1.3065384
Heli Video of the final 5 kms. Attacks by Swift, Lutsenko, Gilbert and Cort with Gaviria, Sagan and later Bettiol closing mostly all down.

Incredibly dumb from Gaviria, no words.

Maybe those were the friends Sagan spoke about. Would fit in with his black humour.
:razz:

Plus the silent Belgians, of course. Guess this was a payback for spring. He sure does not mind.

 

[Frankschleck]

I think cort would have been able to take bronze, but we'll never know :/

 

[movingtarget]

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Boom, and there is the point. Its good tactics if you like a rider and wheelsucking if you dont.

No, it's wheelsucking either way.

Its also good tactics either way. The people saying how great Sagan was today would be spitting feathers if it was Gerrans who won today.

The site would have crashed for sure. Even Matthews winning would have been a lot worse. Matthews must be sick of looking at Sagan's back wheel by now.

Thing is, at least Matthews tried to go with an attack, he just didn't have the legs - for all we know that was what cost him in the sprint.

Yeah he tried and couldn't go with the move but if he did get across it probably would have cost him a medal. Funny how things work out. But Matthews has good form in the stage racing but just can't crack that big one day win re what I meant by looking at Sagan's back wheel.

 

[franic]

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If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

Not in the same league as Nibali or Barguil at the Vuelta, looked just like a borderline sticky bottle from the clip.

Borderline sticky bottle? He got a 200m pull. The sticky bottles that are condoned last no longer than a second or 2.

Indeed.
When Nibali does it is a problem but when Moscon does it is not a problem according to some here which is very hypocritical.

Both times it's a joke to disqualify. It's something that:
a) is inconsequential, because Moscon would have come back anyway
b) is done by everybody, just that if you are a domestique nobody cares
c) is an unwritten rule of cycling

Let me ask one thing. Is it fair to be pushed during a mountain stage? Have you ever been watching live a mountain stage? How many sprinters should be disqualified?!

 

[El Pistolero]

2 cobbled classic guys beat a hilly classic guy.

 

[jaylew]

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Under the 2 kilometer-banner, Moscon was together with Alaphilippe while Cort and Gaviria bridged from the peloton, with a few seconds advantage. Cort attacks, but Gaviria does not follow. Crucial mistake in my opinion: either he should have gone all-in on the attack and following Cort, or he shouldn't have attacked at all. But now he was spent for the sprint, no chance at winning.

Agreed. I wonder if Cort and Gaviria could have stayed away if Gav had gone with him.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

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I don't remember Geelong actually. 07-10 were some good races, its pretty frustrating that the 'biggest' one day race has been so underwhelming lately.

Aye, those editions were truly great. Only Firenze has been great since. I'm only moderately hopeful for next year, but the two afterwards should be good as well.

Don't get your hopes up for 2019. Harrogate doesn't have much potential for a good circuit.

 

[Danskebjerge]

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Both times it's a joke to disqualify. It's something that:
a) is inconsequential, because Moscon would have come back anyway
b) is done by everybody, just that if you are a domestique nobody cares
c) is an unwritten rule of cycling

Let me ask one thing. Is it fair to be pushed during a mountain stage? Have you ever been watching live a mountain stage? How many sprinters should be disqualified?!

It would be great if the riders and teams now get nervous when they use 1 minute sticky bottles and other tricks. It's cheating at its most obvious, and goes against the nature of the sport. I don't care about sprinters who find mountain stages tough.

 

[Danskebjerge]

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If it hadn't been for Bettiol's presence in the group, he (Cort) would have become World Champion. It was really disorganised when he went for it.

Surely someone else would've reeled him in?

Who? All the sprinters were isolated. GvA had Gilbert, so perhaps him, but that is questionable. Gaviria had Urán but had just been in the break.

The only other nations with more than one rider were Russia, the Netherlands, France and Denmark but they either didn't have a sprinter, had Alaphilippe who had been in the front or were Denmark.

No doubt that Sagan and Kristoff only won because they had other nations (Denmark, Italy) to do the hard work for them. That's cycling, but still - especially the Danish team must be disappointed since they had three men in the front group within the last 2 kilometers. A bit strange to see that Italian catch Cort the way he did. He was playing it all into the hands of Kristoff and Sagan.

 

[the delgados]

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Both times it's a joke to disqualify. It's something that:
a) is inconsequential, because Moscon would have come back anyway
b) is done by everybody, just that if you are a domestique nobody cares
c) is an unwritten rule of cycling

Let me ask one thing. Is it fair to be pushed during a mountain stage? Have you ever been watching live a mountain stage? How many sprinters should be disqualified?!

It would be great if the riders and teams now get nervous when they use 1 minute sticky bottles and other tricks. It's cheating at its most obvious, and goes against the nature of the sport. I don't care about sprinters who find mountain stages tough.

a) Moscon was towed along on a hill at a critical juncture of the race. He wasn't pedaling, hence he was saving energy--energy that his competitors were using after riding more than 250 km's. Imagine if the video of him getting a tow surfaced after winning the race. There would be a huge uproar.
He should have been dq'd right then and there.
b) sprinters getting a push on mountain stages of grand tours are part of cycling lore. They's just trying to make the time cut and are not influencing the race in any way whatsoever.
Also, I'm sure most riders would tell you that getting a push up a steep pitch is detrimental rather than beneficial. It totally throws off whatever rhythm you have trying to get over a hill.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Surely someone else would've reeled him in?

Who? All the sprinters were isolated. GvA had Gilbert, so perhaps him, but that is questionable. Gaviria had Urán but had just been in the break.

The only other nations with more than one rider were Russia, the Netherlands, France and Denmark but they either didn't have a sprinter, had Alaphilippe who had been in the front or were Denmark.

No doubt that Sagan and Kristoff only won because they had other nations (Denmark, Italy) to do the hard work for them. That's cycling, but still - especially the Danish team must be disappointed since they had three men in the front group within the last 2 kilometers. A bit strange to see that Italian catch Cort the way he did. He was playing it all into the hands of Kristoff and Sagan.

They both did put in some work(Sagan/Kristoff), it was not just wheelsucking. And Bettiol was working for Trentin, who was fourth.

 

[Nirvana]

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I don't remember Geelong actually. 07-10 were some good races, its pretty frustrating that the 'biggest' one day race has been so underwhelming lately.

Aye, those editions were truly great. Only Firenze has been great since. I'm only moderately hopeful for next year, but the two afterwards should be good as well.

Don't get your hopes up for 2019. Harrogate doesn't have much potential for a good circuit.

Also Vicenza won't be a great circuit with Monte Berico just at the beginning. And the second ramp i doubt will be approved because it's a very narrow goat track where a car can hardly pass.