2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, RR ELITE, SUN 24th 277KM!

[bosfor]

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Rape Culture Poster Boy again...

Link to Kant - whine with Marx.

 

[Laplaz]

Belgium disgraceful.

 

[portugal11]

Belgium did not deserve to win. They had a team to get rid of Peter when he was riding in the back.

It's almost reached the point where there's no point in picking Gilbert and GVA in the same team. They'll both be there at the end, but they'll never work together.

This... GVA thinks he is better than gilbert but he isn't in this type of classics so he should race for gilbert today

 

[movingtarget]

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it always depends on which wheelsucker wins of course. Moral indignation seems to be quite mild at the moment.

In my case it's because I know Sagan has some very staunch defenders here and I don't want to pick a fight. This was a Gerrans win, as most of his are, but I'm letting it go because I don't have 4 hours.

Very wise of you.

 

[DFA123]

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I need to come up with a google extension that replaces every instance of "wheelsucker" with "cyclist".

Because that's just cycling. Sometimes it's your job to drop everyone else, but sometimes it's everyone else's job to drop you. You might as well criticize the guy for eating and drinking during the race.

Yep, it's ridiculous to blame Sagan for using the best tactic to win the race. He rode it to perfection. The fault lies with the course not being selective enough, so that guy can become WC without attacking or putting his nose in the wind once.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I think it's time the WC was valued less than the other monuments. Certainly lower than PR , RVV or LBL. It's basically been an easy version of Milan Sanremo these last few years. Kudos to Sagan for winning, but the fact that he can still put out such a strong sprint compared with the other monuments, shows how relatively easy it has become.

So you suggest a grand collective change in values or what?

 

[Valv.Piti]

It just comes down to bad routes. Ponferrada was meh, Richmond was bad, Doha was Doha and Bergen was also meh. The harder the race (Mendrisio and Firenze lately), the better the race. Thats why Innsbruck will be great.

 

[Red Rick]

Only the French and Dutch rode a decent agressive race. Seriously why would you think you can drop Sagan by going hard on the final climb once?

 

[blutto]

.....Yeeeeeesssssss !!!!!!!

Cheers

 

[burning]

Teams like Belgium, Netherlands and France did barely anything to break up the race early on without a tier 1 sprinter. This outcome is completely their fault, not the podium finishers.

 

[Frankschleck]

I kind of liked the race, exciting.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Dont think it was a boring race at all tbh

Not a boring race. But a predictable end nonetheless. I feel like they could have done more to prevent a sprint, especially Belgium

 

[Escarabajo]

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Think smaller teams would make for a better race. Not sure why Belgium didn't do more to get rid of the sprinters.

It was a very fast race and the climb wasn't hard enough.

 

[saganftw]

bad race on a bad course,im glad i started watching only with 10km to go

im happy sagan won tho,bummer for kristoff

 

[Ruby United]

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I just don't want a sprinter to win

Sagan is the real deal guys. He is such a beast!! Another year with the rainbow jersey

I'm confused are you happy with a sprinter winning or not? Your second post reads like celebrating a sprinter winning a bunch sprint.

Sagan is not a sprinter to me. He is a classicomano (for me), he has potential to win milan san remo and harder races like liege or roubaix

Then neither is Kristoff, Matthews, EBH etc.

You are trying to save yourself from something there is no saving from

 

[alspacka]

Reducing Sagan to the label of sprinter is ridiculous, especially when used in a obviously pejorative sense. You see his interview? The guy looks deathly pale, he just won a third consecutive worlds whilst genuinely ill.

 

[Escarabajo]

Make the race harder???

Easier said than done in a 277 km race!!

 

[Brullnux]

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The race itself wasn't bad at all I don't think, much better than the previous two years. But the podium is pretty terrible, a vidication of wheelsucking. At least Norway did something I guess.

Uh...it's cycling. Virtually the entire sport is shaped around "wheelsucking" if this was an example of it. This was just normal racing - a sprint finish. This wasn't like a Gerrans-Cancellara at MSR situation.

Well, at least we witnessed history. Credit where credit is due - love him or hate him, Sagan is a marvel

Sure, but I'm allowed to say that I'd rather have had anybody else on the podium. This might lead to more teams in the future to just sit back and do this, which would just kill every single race. I'd rather riders who actually did something in the race to win. Sagan wasn't one of them.

 

[hrotha]

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It just comes down to bad routes. Ponferrada was meh, Richmond was bad, Doha was Doha and Bergen was also meh. The harder the race (Mendrisio and Firenze lately), the better the race. Thats why Innsbruck will be great.

Geelong was awesome. It should be possible to have an easier route for people other than the Ardenne specialists without it necessarily becoming a bunch sprint, if only people actually rode to maximize their chances of victory. It's stupid to wait until the last 60 km to get serious on a course like this.

 

[Sestriere]

I really enjoyed the race, the course, the city and the crowd were fantastic. And major attacks starting from 70 km out were good as well. None the less, it feels a bit underwhelming, that the attackers didn't succeed but rather the riders who sat in the bunch all day. I would have been really happy with Alaphilippe as new world champion, also too bad Phil doesn't have the speed anymore.
All in all, congrats Peter but please let someone else win next year

P.S.: What was Kwiatkowski's plan to win this race?

 

[Billie]

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Dont think it was a boring race at all tbh

Not a boring race. But a predictable end nonetheless. I feel like they could have done more to prevent a sprint, especially Belgium

Indeed. The penultimate lap was not used right.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

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The race itself wasn't bad at all I don't think, much better than the previous two years. But the podium is pretty terrible, a vidication of wheelsucking. At least Norway did something I guess.

Uh...it's cycling. Virtually the entire sport is shaped around "wheelsucking" if this was an example of it. This was just normal racing - a sprint finish. This wasn't like a Gerrans-Cancellara at MSR situation.

Well, at least we witnessed history. Credit where credit is due - love him or hate him, Sagan is a marvel

I need to come up with a google extension that replaces every instance of "wheelsucker" with "cyclist".

Because that's just cycling. Sometimes it's your job to drop everyone else, but sometimes it's everyone else's job to drop you. You might as well criticize the guy for eating and drinking during the race.

Yep, it's ridiculous to blame Sagan for using the best tactic to win the race. He rode it to perfection. The fault lies with the course not being selective enough, so that guy can become WC without attacking or putting his nose in the wind once.

I think some people on here would be better off watching non drafting triathlons half the time.

The race itself wasn't bad at all I don't think, much better than the previous two years. But the podium is pretty terrible, a vidication of wheelsucking. At least Norway did something I guess.

Uh...it's cycling. Virtually the entire sport is shaped around "wheelsucking" if this was an example of it. This was just normal racing - a sprint finish. This wasn't like a Gerrans-Cancellara at MSR situation.

Well, at least we witnessed history. Credit where credit is due - love him or hate him, Sagan is a marvel

I find the complaints so weird. Sagan won because he didn't waste energy, whereas Matthews tried to follow the move on the climb and couldn't- meaning that he didn't have it in the sprint.

 

[Ruby United]

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Reducing Sagan to the label of sprinter is ridiculous, especially when used in a obviously pejorative sense. You see his interview? The guy looks deathly pale, he just won a third consecutive worlds whilst genuinely ill.

He clearly meant that he doesn't want it to end in a sprint with someone winning from a bunch.
He is now trying to manipulate his phraseology more than Bill Clinton... Now that is saying something!

 

[alspacka]

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The race itself wasn't bad at all I don't think, much better than the previous two years. But the podium is pretty terrible, a vidication of wheelsucking. At least Norway did something I guess.

Uh...it's cycling. Virtually the entire sport is shaped around "wheelsucking" if this was an example of it. This was just normal racing - a sprint finish. This wasn't like a Gerrans-Cancellara at MSR situation.

Well, at least we witnessed history. Credit where credit is due - love him or hate him, Sagan is a marvel

Sure, but I'm allowed to say that I'd rather have had anybody else on the podium. This might lead to more teams in the future to just sit back and do this, which would just kill every single race. I'd rather riders who actually did something in the race to win. Sagan wasn't one of them.

Blame the parcours, not Sagan, if you're not already.

 

[Benotti69]

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Reducing Sagan to the label of sprinter is ridiculous, especially when used in a obviously pejorative sense. You see his interview? The guy looks deathly pale, he just won a third consecutive worlds whilst genuinely ill.

I doubt he was ill.