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Possibly the stupidest comment in a thread filled with unusually stupid comments.ebandit said:
DFA123 said:Nice aftertiming. If you don't think Valverde isn's as strong on this climb as it sometimes seems, why were you calling teams pathetic for chasing down the break?Gigs_98 said:I was just looking at previous results and this year was actually the first time since 2014 that the top ten did not finish within 10 seconds. And looking further back you can see that before 2014 the top 10 all within 10 seconds used to be the exception rather than the rule.Dekker_Tifosi said:Mollema said this years edition was much harder than normal, but also on the final climb. He said the first 500m were ridden much faster than the last time he participated. Might be why Valverde didn't have anything left either
I still think that Valverde isn't as strong on this climb is it sometimes seems and that he only became so dominant in this race because riders stopped attacking right at the bottom. Seriously, look at todays race and compare it to previous year. Valverde did precisely what he did every year. Just riding his own pace and something like 200 meters from the finish accelerating and riding everyone off his wheel. His pace on the first kilometer of the mur was probably as high as in previous year is acceleration was as good as in previous years, but in previous year there wasn't anyone as far in front as Alaphilippe this year.
No doubt, this finish suits Valverde very well, probably better than anyone else, but in the last few years the competition made it too easy for him.
i don't know if he would have beaten Ala, but 2nd place was within reach.Frankschleck said:Watching the race again, then i really think that Jelle Vanendert could have won if Lotto had rode it smarter. Spends a bit time put in the wind and looked exceptionaly strong up the mur. But I really liked this edition.
No.Brullnux said:Without the puncture, matthews would have won Amstel. Or at least come 4th.
Climb was ridden differently this year though. No speculating at the bottom - brisk pace right from the beginning (from the guy who ended third...).Rollthedice said:The shock is Valverde's time on Huy was the same as in four of his wins, including last year. Alaphilippe was just faster ( thanks climbing records, jens attacks)
:lol:tobydawq said:No.Brullnux said:Without the puncture, matthews would have won Amstel. Or at least come 4th.
I'm pretty sure that if you go back to the Flèche Wallone race thread from one year ago you'll find a post from me where I claim the exact same thing. The reason I was complaining about other teams is that those teams rode for the same riders who have played into Valverde's hands for years. Why should I assume they'd do anything differently this year.DFA123 said:Nice aftertiming. If you don't think Valverde isn's as strong on this climb as it sometimes seems, why were you calling teams pathetic for chasing down the break?Gigs_98 said:I was just looking at previous results and this year was actually the first time since 2014 that the top ten did not finish within 10 seconds. And looking further back you can see that before 2014 the top 10 all within 10 seconds used to be the exception rather than the rule.Dekker_Tifosi said:Mollema said this years edition was much harder than normal, but also on the final climb. He said the first 500m were ridden much faster than the last time he participated. Might be why Valverde didn't have anything left either
I still think that Valverde isn't as strong on this climb is it sometimes seems and that he only became so dominant in this race because riders stopped attacking right at the bottom. Seriously, look at todays race and compare it to previous year. Valverde did precisely what he did every year. Just riding his own pace and something like 200 meters from the finish accelerating and riding everyone off his wheel. His pace on the first kilometer of the mur was probably as high as in previous year is acceleration was as good as in previous years, but in previous year there wasn't anyone as far in front as Alaphilippe this year.
No doubt, this finish suits Valverde very well, probably better than anyone else, but in the last few years the competition made it too easy for him.
Come fourth is likely. Matthews sprints for those positions far more vehemently than sagan and he's clearly in great shape.tobydawq said:No.Brullnux said:Without the puncture, matthews would have won Amstel. Or at least come 4th.
Do you think then that valverde was a little weaker than last year? If he rode it more efficiently (because the group did, keeping a more time trial like pace at the first half of the climb) , but still got the same Ascent time as last year, that suggests weaker very slightly.Jagartrott said:Climb was ridden differently this year though. No speculating at the bottom - brisk pace right from the beginning (from the guy who ended third...).Rollthedice said:The shock is Valverde's time on Huy was the same as in four of his wins, including last year. Alaphilippe was just faster ( thanks climbing records, jens attacks)
Yeah, the perfect outcome of this race would have been the late break succeeding and Valverde being first out of the peloton. Now I fear Quickstep will stop being aggressive.Red Rick said:Anyway, Valverde not winning means that everyone will want it back together at the bottom of the Mur next year.
Okay, if he had been there, the whole dynamic of the finale would have changed a bit and one more rider would want a sprint, so that had been a more likely outcome and then he might have gotten second.Brullnux said:Come fourth is likely. Matthews sprints for those positions far more vehemently than sagan and he's clearly in great shape.tobydawq said:No.Brullnux said:Without the puncture, matthews would have won Amstel. Or at least come 4th.
unless you're being sarcastic
Valverde basically said that his not winning this year is not the worst thing to happen and that just maybe people will figure out that it's not easy to win. However, I think you're right that with Alaphilippe and not Valverde winning next year we'll see that big group at the foot of the climb again next year. He also said he flat out screwed up how he raced the Mur de Huy this year.Gigs_98 said:Yeah, the perfect outcome of this race would have been the late break succeeding and Valverde being first out of the peloton. Now I fear Quickstep will stop being aggressive.Red Rick said:Anyway, Valverde not winning means that everyone will want it back together at the bottom of the Mur next year.
Michał, what the f..k you were doing??!Gigs_98 said:The question is, how deep have the guys in front been going. Nibali is probably still relatively relaxed and will still have quite a lot left. Kwiatkowski chasing now though, that could be crucial
Alaphilippe also had one of the fastest time up the Mur de Huy. Valverde had his normal consistent time which wasn't good enough this year. Alaphilippe's time was 2:48. Valverde's all time record is 2:41. Valverde's time today was 2:52 which is inline with his other wins of between 2:50 and 2:53. He basically has a very consistent time. He also said he screwed up on the climb.Bot. Sky_Bot said:Koronin said:Congrats to Alaphilippe![]()
Valverde clearly had something left, but not too much. Valverde basically closed in a few seconds when he launched his sprint but died just on the final 100m as well.Dekker_Tifosi said:Mollema said this years edition was much harder than normal, but also on the final climb. He said the first 500m were ridden much faster than the last time he participated. Might be why Valverde didn't have anything left either
Well this would be similar to the Giro 2016 stage where Nibali sprinted to get 3rd and Valverde didn't put in a full sprint because he thought there were still at least 3 to 5 riders who finished in front of them. It's not always for the win that guys have no idea how many people are still up the road vs how many they've caught.Leinster said:So Alaphilippe said after that he didn’t know that Nibali wasn’t still up the road. And while it’s easy to understand how there’s a lot of confusion in a final km like that, shouldn’t there be some way of letting the guy at the front of the race know that, well, he’s at the front of the race?
A race Marshall waves a flag out the top of a car to start the race, shouldn’t there also be a car in front at the end of the race, (maybe with a checkered flag, but not really important) where the riders know if you can see the car, you you’re in the front and if you can’t see it you’re not.
Granted, this would cut down on the fun of “Guy celebrating for finishing 5th” hilarious videos, but I would think it’s a relatively simple admin fix to correct what seems to be a recurring issue.
Well, yes but as valid as that is, (and sprinting for bonus seconds, medals, podium positions etc is valid) surely the binary question of “am I the winner or not?” can be easily answered, and in such a way that the first across the line isn’t relying on team radio, or asking people in the mixed zone, or the obligatory post-finish line hug from an ecstatic mechanic/soigneur/musette carrier, to know whether he should’ve stuck his hands in the air or not.Koronin said:Well this would be similar to the Giro 2016 stage where Nibali sprinted to get 3rd and Valverde didn't put in a full sprint because he thought there were still at least 3 to 5 riders who finished in front of them. It's not always for the win that guys have no idea how many people are still up the road vs how many they've caught.Leinster said:So Alaphilippe said after that he didn’t know that Nibali wasn’t still up the road. And while it’s easy to understand how there’s a lot of confusion in a final km like that, shouldn’t there be some way of letting the guy at the front of the race know that, well, he’s at the front of the race?
A race Marshall waves a flag out the top of a car to start the race, shouldn’t there also be a car in front at the end of the race, (maybe with a checkered flag, but not really important) where the riders know if you can see the car, you you’re in the front and if you can’t see it you’re not.
Granted, this would cut down on the fun of “Guy celebrating for finishing 5th” hilarious videos, but I would think it’s a relatively simple admin fix to correct what seems to be a recurring issue.
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