Depends. Think fatigue isn't just one dimensional.Eshnar said:
That being said, I don't really know what the last 2 weeks before a GT look like for a GT rider, so who knows. Maybe he didn't get specific enough training impulses?
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That being said, I don't really know what the last 2 weeks before a GT look like for a GT rider, so who knows. Maybe he didn't get specific enough training impulses?
If I'm right, Roglič came to the Romandie straight off the altitude, so the race was a kind of transition from training to racing.Red Rick said:
Everybody's physiology requires some period of adaptation after the altitude training (there's even an article here mentioning it). A week before the Giro, and a week more before the Giro gets really serious, and that might just be Roglič's periodization combined with appropriate efforts during the time.
Interesting that Trek are bringing Moschetti, they probably want him to gain some experience durning the first 11 stages.
Calling the Giro a gloryfied one week stage race is a bit overdramatic, stage 9 to 21 is fine, so it's at least 2 weeks.
The first 3 days are also fine. That said, the route clearly has flaws, a MTF or a proper Tirreno-Adriatico stage in the middle of the first week would really make a difference.
Last year we had too many uphill finishes in the first week, this time it's the polar opposit.
Calling the Giro a gloryfied one week stage race is a bit overdramatic, stage 9 to 21 is fine, so it's at least 2 weeks.
The first 3 days are also fine. That said, the route clearly has flaws, a MTF or a proper Tirreno-Adriatico stage in the middle of the first week would really make a difference.
Last year we had too many uphill finishes in the first week, this time it's the polar opposit.
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But I understand why Garosio is there. And I don't think it would make much difference anyway.
I think Pernsteiner is the better rider, and clearly the better climber.Mayomaniac said:
But I understand why Garosio is there. And I don't think it would make much difference anyway.
For an "Italian" team, UAE is bringing quite a bad team apart from Gaviria. Well, maybe him and Ulissi can win a couple of stages early on and then its all good, but they will be invisible come the mountains.
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Maybe Ulissi, Polanc and Conti can vie for breakaway victories in the mountains.
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Maybe Ulissi, Polanc and Conti can vie for breakaway victories in the mountains.
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Anyway I wonder if Gaviria will ride all the Giro, I remember this winter during a training camp they said the idea was two weeks and then go home but in the recent posted news he talked about the point jersey.
If Ulissi has 2016 shape only three stages are too hard for him in this route. But also the 2014 version could be enough to be in the mix in stages like Pinerolo, Como, San Martino, Anterselva.Valv.Piti said:
Anyway I wonder if Gaviria will ride all the Giro, I remember this winter during a training camp they said the idea was two weeks and then go home but in the recent posted news he talked about the point jersey.
Gavia in danger, snow and all? Martinelli (Astana DS of Pantani and Nibali fame) said that if Gavia will not be used it will be 2 X Mortirolo. Is this the backup plan or it's Martinelli's imagination?
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Vegni probably told the teams that he has a legit backup plan, so I guess it's true. Why would Martinelli mention a double Mortirolo otherwise?Rollthedice said:
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Neither option is great. If double Mortirolo from Mazzo was possible I'd be breaking in somewhere to steal snow cannons now.
2x Mortirolo is impossible cause it would be like 270km, so imagine it's either Aprica/Trivigno/Mortirolo like in 2010 or they go Mortirolo from Edolo, have some local loop to not back down on itself and then climb the side they just descended.Rollthedice said:
Neither option is great. If double Mortirolo from Mazzo was possible I'd be breaking in somewhere to steal snow cannons now.
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Not too bad.
Yeah I was thinking double Mortirolo ment Aprica/Mortirolo/Aprica/Mortirolo/Ponte di Legno, so that makes a mess of things.
Doubt they'd do this specific one but there's no doubt there's many options with the parallel passes of the Mortirolo.
Laplaz said:What about this one?
Not too bad.
Yeah I was thinking double Mortirolo ment Aprica/Mortirolo/Aprica/Mortirolo/Ponte di Legno, so that makes a mess of things.
Doubt they'd do this specific one but there's no doubt there's many options with the parallel passes of the Mortirolo.
yeah, it's entirely possible that they do Mortirolo from Edolo + some other stuff + Mortirolo from Mazzo.
It's nice to know that there is already a plan B, but I'm still pretty confident the Gavia will be in. Forecasts are quite bad for this week, but then the weather should become good, and if so there is plenty of time to clear the road.
It's nice to know that there is already a plan B, but I'm still pretty confident the Gavia will be in. Forecasts are quite bad for this week, but then the weather should become good, and if so there is plenty of time to clear the road.
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Well theres no doubt that actual stage is better than Gavia-Mortirolo to me. Absolutely none. The climbs get cramped much closer to each other so while neither Mortirolo from Edolo or Trivigno is harder than Gavia, the two of them are definitely harder. Just feels like a better design overall to get rid of all the false flat and valley stuff when using Gavia before MortiroloRed Rick said:Laplaz said:What about this one?
Not too bad.
Yeah I was thinking double Mortirolo ment Aprica/Mortirolo/Aprica/Mortirolo/Ponte di Legno, so that makes a mess of things.
Doubt they'd do this specific one but there's no doubt there's many options with the parallel passes of the Mortirolo.
Gavia/Mortirolo is just way more organic in my opinion. Usuing 2 massive climbs rather than backing down on itself even more, etc.
Gavia has all the myth and legends going for it, and altitude obviously, and yes, it is a monstrous climb from Ponte di Legno (really its from Edolo, its similar to Agnello in this sense), but I cant see how its more 'organic'. Anyways, the result will be more or less the same in the foot of Mortirolo I feel, so as long as you keep the nature of the length and the overall brutality of the queen stage, I have no complaints.
My version with 2x Mortirolo + Trivigno has about 5400m of climbing while the original one with Gavia + Mortirolo has about 5800m (altough more of those are false flat). Really hart to tell which one is harder, although I would prefer the original one.
I just saw on the startlist that Landa will be wearing the bib #1. But considering Froome won last year, it shouldn't be a rider from Ineos who wear it in this race?
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I think the plan was to give #1 to Valverde as World Champion. For some reason, they didn't want/couldn't change it once Valverde dropped.durtyfat7 said:
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https://www.openrunner.com/r/9926640
Wouldn't it be just 11km longer than the original stage:Red Rick said:
https://www.openrunner.com/r/9926640
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Maybe you can post it. Thanks.
Is the profile in there? because I couldn't open it.Mayomaniac said:
Maybe you can post it. Thanks.
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