2019 Tour de France, stage 12: Toulouse>Bagnères-de-Bigorre

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Lequack said:
I heard someone say others need to attack Ineos in the mountains because they lost so much time. Well today showed there will be none of that happening. It's a race for 3rd place now.
I disagree.

Today was a special stage, because the TT is tomorrow.

No GC contender will go deep today, because if they win 30 secs today, they can lose 2 minutes tomorrow.

The weekend is another matter, they will both be GC days.
 
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tobydawq said:
Everybody knew nothing could happen in the GC battle today, yet people are whining that there are eight Ineos riders still in the peloton.

There won't be in the remaining mountainbstages, I'll tell you that.
They'll be even further behind after the TT.
 
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Lequack said:
tobydawq said:
Everybody knew nothing could happen in the GC battle today, yet people are whining that there are eight Ineos riders still in the peloton.

There won't be in the remaining mountainbstages, I'll tell you that.
They'll be even further behind after the TT.
And they would have been even further behind that level of being further behind if they had wasted anlot of energy today
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
Lequack said:
I heard someone say others need to attack Ineos in the mountains because they lost so much time. Well today showed there will be none of that happening. It's a race for 3rd place now.
I disagree.

Today was a special stage, because the TT is tomorrow.

No GC contender will go deep today, because if they win 30 secs today, they can lose 2 minutes tomorrow.

The weekend is another matter, they will both be GC days.
Yep, gotta be careful before that ITT, otherwise you can lose too much on its [checks hand] 27-km course. It's not like a hard mountain stage could also hurt the time-trialists, after all.
 
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hrotha said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Lequack said:
I heard someone say others need to attack Ineos in the mountains because they lost so much time. Well today showed there will be none of that happening. It's a race for 3rd place now.
I disagree.

Today was a special stage, because the TT is tomorrow.

No GC contender will go deep today, because if they win 30 secs today, they can lose 2 minutes tomorrow.

The weekend is another matter, they will both be GC days.
Yep, gotta be careful before that ITT, otherwise you can lose too much on its [checks hand] 27-km course. It's not like a hard mountain stage could also hurt the time-trialists, after all.
How could this have been a hard mountain stage? There was a plus 30 km very unsteep descent down to the finish. Any attack would immediately have been doomed because of Ineos, and only the attacker would over-exert himself. Everybody knew this. A lot of fans also postulated that they knew that but when they were proven right, they still complain. Pathetic behaviour.
 
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This stage had absolutely zero potential for GC action.

I thought Yates ruined Trentin chance for win but he won so nevermind.


Am I only one who thinks Matthews giving up green contest was absolutely useless?
 
What an awful stage. I didn't expect anything else because of the awful pacing (TT and 2 MTFs after this, who thought this would bring good racing?) but not even trying to set a high pace on climbs and trying to attack is a whole another level. And they will lose even more time tomorrow because they aren't good in TTs either.
The only 2 good stages happened because one was a really well designed stage (look, well designed hilly stages deliver) and the other had crosswinds.
 
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Keram said:
Am I only one who thinks Matthews giving up green contest was absolutely useless?
it's certainly strange, today he didn't even take the free points at the intermediate sprint, and then he ended up working for Roche, who had no chance to win anyway (instead of hoping for a mid-size group sprint - he is certainly not a worse climber than Stuyven, who finished in G2)... there must be more behind this, I guess
 
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ppanther92 said:
Keram said:
Am I only one who thinks Matthews giving up green contest was absolutely useless?
No, not at all. The only ones seeing some sense in that decision seems to be Sunweb.
All of the training he had put in was endurance work to help Dumoulin. He wasn't going to win green and he and the team knew it. Now he can go for stage wins and free up some of the other riders on the team as well.
 
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movingtarget said:
ppanther92 said:
Keram said:
Am I only one who thinks Matthews giving up green contest was absolutely useless?
No, not at all. The only ones seeing some sense in that decision seems to be Sunweb.
All of the training he had put in was endurance work to help Dumoulin. He wasn't going to win green and he and the team knew it. Now he go go for stage wins and free up some of the other riders on the team as well.
He and the team didn't appear to know it for the first 10 stages
 
Congrats to Simon Yates. Slightly confusing tactics at first but very well played at the end. Also, I am surprised that others are surprised. He is just about as fast as the other two guys. I mean, Mühlberger and Bilbao are explosive enough riders, but so is Yates. It wasn't like it was Tejay stealing a march on Valverde and Alaphilippe or something.

The GC lives to fight on another day, today was never a day for GC attacks. But I do wish Movi/EF/FDJ/Jumbo at least made it a little harder, though, and pushed the pace up those hills -I actually counted nine men on the Skineos train because I temporarily forgot Thomas wasn't in yellow yet. Make it a potluck train and put in a rider apiece, if you need to. Because if you don't start wearing out those Ineos doms now, they will wear everyone out when it counts.
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
movingtarget said:
ppanther92 said:
Keram said:
Am I only one who thinks Matthews giving up green contest was absolutely useless?
No, not at all. The only ones seeing some sense in that decision seems to be Sunweb.
All of the training he had put in was endurance work to help Dumoulin. He wasn't going to win green and he and the team knew it. Now he go go for stage wins and free up some of the other riders on the team as well.
He and the team didn't appear to know it for the first 10 stages

Matthews said in an interview yesterday that he wanted to go for green but team wanted him to only do stages

Sunweb make some strange decisions
Didn't want a GC ride by Kelderman and didnt want a green ride by Mathews...only stages which are hard to win unless you have a top sprinter
 
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Forever The Best said:
What an awful stage. I didn't expect anything else because of the awful pacing (TT and 2 MTFs after this, who thought this would bring good racing?) but not even trying to set a high pace on climbs and trying to attack is a whole another level. And they will lose even more time tomorrow because they aren't good in TTs either.
The only 2 good stages happened because one was a really well designed stage (look, well designed hilly stages deliver) and the other had crosswinds.
Plus, a similar stage in Giro to Pinerolo saw action with Landa and Lopez attacking on Montoso.
 

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