Tomorrow, we will see the first battle of the white (or even yellow) Tour jersey between Bernal and Mas.
This is a classic Contador climb. Who will be the next El Pistolero? I can't tell who is the most Contador-esque of those two.
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roundabout said:Max Rockatansky said:roundabout said:I see that Nufenenpass is still closed as well so options seem to be really limited
Nufenenpass will be opened tomorrow. Man, that was a long winter this year. It's almost July.
Somehow I missed that
Party like it's 2005 then
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/jun05/suisse05/?id=stages/suisse059
memyselfandI said:Hopefully Don Lefevre and Holm for once skip the sprint train, as they do not have much to say in that side of the office this year.
All for Mas and Alaphilippe, built for ttt and balanced gc support. Route is build for Bardet and Pinot, if DQS slash them in ttt like they any day can, they could end up high. Alaphilippe and Mas are better tt'ers than Pinot and Bardet.
tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
By changing the course, the Tour de Suisse offers the riders and the spectators an unexpected highlight: the Nufenen pass, at 2,478 meters above sea level, is the highest mountain pass with a paved road on Swiss soil. The road was opened on 5 September 1969 after five years of construction. The first rider to cross the summit will celebrate the 50th anniversary with due respect.
RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
And even they could fall tomorrow and break their legs. I mean… we all thought Froome was pretty safe.
tobydawq said:RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
And even they could fall tomorrow and break their legs. I mean… we all thought Froome was pretty safe.
Well, not really my point, but true nonetheless.
That's harder than the original. Somehow La Flamme Rouge has a different profile for the Gothardpass. Softer than what is whowing here. But this one looks better than the original. I mean better for us, worse for the cyclists.Max Rockatansky said:roundabout said:Max Rockatansky said:roundabout said:I see that Nufenenpass is still closed as well so options seem to be really limited
Nufenenpass will be opened tomorrow. Man, that was a long winter this year. It's almost July.
Somehow I missed that
Party like it's 2005 then
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/jun05/suisse05/?id=stages/suisse059
It's even harder now.
Logically, if is true that 'nobody is safe' then it is also true that 'everyone is potentially going' and that therefore 'nobody is definitely not going'RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
And even they could fall tomorrow and break their legs. I mean… we all thought Froome was pretty safe.
Well, not really my point, but true nonetheless.
My point was that nobody is safe. Of course, some are more safe than others and some are definitely not going.
Escarabajo said:That's harder than the original. Somehow La Flamme Rouge has a different profile for the Gothardpass. Softer than what is whowing here. But this one looks better than the original. I mean better for us, worse for the cyclists.Max Rockatansky said:roundabout said:Max Rockatansky said:roundabout said:I see that Nufenenpass is still closed as well so options seem to be really limited
Nufenenpass will be opened tomorrow. Man, that was a long winter this year. It's almost July.
Somehow I missed that
Party like it's 2005 then
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/jun05/suisse05/?id=stages/suisse059
It's even harder now.
The Flumserberg stage or the final one?Poursuivant said:Bernal or break?
Velolover2 said:The Flumserberg stage or the final one?Poursuivant said:Bernal or break?
The break has no chance tomorrow but the high mountain stage could become very chaotic.
The Flumserberg stage is tailor-made for the Ineos roleurs. There are real no climbs before the MTF.
Rowe, Doull and Swift will eat the break on the flats. Then it's up to Castroviejo and Elissonde on the climb, but it should be more than enough.
Nirvana said:Yesterday Quick Step train literally gapped everyone else but Sagan that IMHO didn't look good after the turn, despite the finish was uphill and on the cobbles he didn't even try to come out of Vviviani wheel.
Anyway i find funny how the swiss interviewer asks question in italian to everyone except Viviani :lol:
Nufenen is a beast, I know first hand. Of course, it has no real consequence here because it comes right after the start. However, Furka from the east is much more interesting than Grimsel. So overall, an improvement. Wind in the afternoon is often blowing strongly from the east in the Goms valley, so should be tailwind towards the finish.roundabout said:It's a much different situation to the Giro with an alternative easily available
https://www.fam-oud.nl/~oof/Cyclo2005/Zentralschweiz_map.jpg
Red - original circuit
Green - new one
Cance > TheRest said:Logically, if is true that 'nobody is safe' then it is also true that 'everyone is potentially going' and that therefore 'nobody is definitely not going'RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
And even they could fall tomorrow and break their legs. I mean… we all thought Froome was pretty safe.
Well, not really my point, but true nonetheless.
My point was that nobody is safe. Of course, some are more safe than others and some are definitely not going.
Poursuivant said:Bernal or break?
I would argue it's about the quality of the climbs (combination of length and gradient) rather than just accumulated cimbing meters. Like eg. Cervinia climb has more distance and climbing but it's mostly 7% with a lot of false-flats. In the same valley you can find Colle San Carlo (the one where Carapaz won the KOM, stage and later Giro) which has less distance and climbing yet it's entirely at 9-10%. You can assume San Carlo will have a larger impact on the race than Cervinia.roundabout said:How can it be harder than the original, when the original stage was longer and had more climbing?
Original 3900 meters and 140km
New 3000 meters and 100km
Valv.Piti said:Really haven't been that convinced by Sagan. These stages have been tailor made for him, but it just seems that Viviani is stronger, even on on uphill finishes. Thought he look better than Sagan as well on the stage that Sagan won. He isn't at 100% just yet, thats for sure.
Cance > TheRest said:Logically, if is true that 'nobody is safe' then it is also true that 'everyone is potentially going' and that therefore 'nobody is definitely not going'RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:RedheadDane said:tobydawq said:Could people please stop saying that rider x or y is safe regarding Deceuninck's Tour squad? You can't possibly know that. I think the only two who are truly safe are Enric Mas and Julian Alaphilippe. Probably also Viviani now that he won a couple of stages in Switzerland.
And even they could fall tomorrow and break their legs. I mean… we all thought Froome was pretty safe.
Well, not really my point, but true nonetheless.
My point was that nobody is safe. Of course, some are more safe than others and some are definitely not going.