Giro d'Italia 2021 Giro d'Italia, Stage 17: Canazei - Sega di Ala 193 km

[HelloDolly]

That has to be Martin's best win. He has always seemed like a defensive guy that waited for the final kilometres for a five/sometimes ten minute turbo effort, don't remember long range attacks. But Remco would have won the stage if not for the crash.

You are kidding me right ?
Dan Martin won his Tour stage on a long range attack
He won the Vuelta Catalunya on a long range attack
He is a Lombardy and LBL winner

Remco would not have won the stage..not even come close...
I might as well say Viviani would have won the stage

No foundation and no sense ...just a load of ill informed hype
Also if Remco wants to learn about long distance wining then he would do well to study Dan Martin

 

[Roku]

The numbers don't lie... and they spell disaster for Yates.

 

[Red Rick]

You are kidding me right ?
Dan Martin won his Tour stage on a long range attack
He won the Vuelta Catalunya on a long range attack
He is a Lombardy and LBL winner

Remco would not have won the stage..not even come close...
I might as well say Viviani would have won the stage

No foundation and no sense ...just a load of ill informed hype
Also if Remco wants to learn about long distance wining then he would do well to study Dan Martin

In terms of the quality of the ride, this would be his most impressive win by a big margin.

 

[Eshnar]

Did no one say it yet? Alright. Bernal must have paid for the effort of all those intermediate sprints, just like Evenepoel.

 

[yaco]

Chapeau to Dan Martin ! He's wasted years of his career riding for GC at GT's, when he should have have been stage hunting - He's a GC type rider who can finish it off from a break and has enough talent to hold off a marauding GC group.

 

[limak_]

15 seconds in 1km at 5.5% vs the next strongest rider was a lot. I guess in addition to it being easier, his pacing once again meant that he had much more left in the tank

True. Btw, I still have an impression that Yates hasn't gone full gas even once so far in this race (Almeida was clearly sprinting that last part). Both on Zoncolan and today he looked for me like riding for 95%.

 

[memyselfandI]

bernal's giro is over, they should move over to Martinez as their leading man. kinda similar to Kelderman's breakdown last year's giro. he will lose 12 minutes in stage 19.

It looked like he was pretty close of his limits just a moment before Bernal got troubles. It maybe that he's done too much work because of his role and Yates that way too strong for him idk..

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

The only rider with Yates who put in today a GT podium worthy performance. Explains Martin's win from the break and Ulissi hanging on. Nibali 2013 was a prep race.

Well, Nibali rode it at Giro del Trentino, right? He wasn't in the third week of the Giro, after a rest day.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Caruso pulling a Savoldelli at the end of the Giro would be pretty funny.

 

[movingtarget]

Moscon finished together with Bardet after the whole day in a breakaway and then pulling for Bernal

Which indicates that maybe Yates wasn't that good but Bernal bonked a little or had other issues. Martin maintained the gap until Yates attacked. I think Ineos were trying to hide Bernal's off day.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Crazy that Almeida put 17 seconds into Yates.

If he'd have worked with Yates earlier, instead of sitting on then attacking, he'd have a stage win too. Was bizarre. He'd always have too much for Yates on a flattish finish. Man, QS are making an utter hash of this Giro.

 

[F_Cance]

Valls the new Puccio

 

[memyselfandI]

See I actually don't value the number of days that highly. In part it all comes down to parcours and how the race develops. Overall while that performance was promising I think that was kind of a peculiar Giro. Almeida's performance was impressive but not because of how long he held the jersey imo.

Keep in mind that he only grabbed it by being less than 1s ahead of the breakaway. But I can grant that Almeida would have taken it over a few stages later anyway. But mostly Almeida's run in pink got greatly aided by Wilco Kelderman being bad in the prologue. Like really wtf happened there. If Kelderman rides a decent prologue for his level than Almeida's run in pink may have been shortened quite a bit.

Anyway whole point is that I find looking at amount of days in pink a bit too results based. Because of how much variance there is to how hard it is to keep the jersey and the luck that can enter into play.

Well it's same venue and race for everone to take and deliver on the year they enter.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Caruso is reminding me of Marzio Bruseghin, that one Giro he somehow ended up on the podium in 2008 I think.

 

[jaylew]

If he'd have worked with Yates earlier, instead of sitting on then attacking, he'd have a stage win too. Was bizarre. He'd always have too much for Yates on a flattish finish. Man, QS are making an utter hash of this Giro.

Not sure I believe that but I guess it's possible.

 

[movingtarget]

Caruso is reminding me of Marzio Bruseghin, that one Giro he somehow ended up on the podium in 2008 I think.

Wasn't that mainly because of the two TTs he rode ? Think he won one of them.

 

[jaylew]

Evenepoel DNF? Serry and Knox have already passed the line.

Finished in grupetto 36 minutes back

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I am really impressed by Fosse, such a great climber for such a big guy

More impressive for me as a GT potential than Evenepoel

It made sense today, considering they did finish close to the city of Fosse (although his name is Foss).

You are kidding me right ?
Dan Martin won his Tour stage on a long range attack

Only one of his stage wins came from a longe range attack, and he won that in a sprint against Fuglsang.

Did no one say it yet? Alright. Bernal must have paid for the effort of all those intermediate sprints, just like Evenepoel.

I did

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

people are drawing weird conclusions (foss > evenepoel) based on a race where evenepoel returns after like 3 months of serious training.

I'd wait a bit until I see Evenepoel start with some race rythm and a proper preparation.

 

[limak_]

people are drawing weird conclusions (foss > evenepoel) based on a race where evenepoel returns after like 3 months of serious training.

I'd wait a bit until I see Evenepoel start with some race rythm and a proper preparation.

*2

 

[Leinster]

In terms of the quality of the ride, this would be his most impressive win by a big margin.

I still rate his Liege win, for tactics as well as strength.

But today was seriously impressive. I didn’t think he had the engine to finish it off from the foot of the climb, but then we didn’t realize how close to the limit Bernal already must have been.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

That has to be Martin's best win. He has always seemed like a defensive guy that waited for the final kilometres for a five/sometimes ten minute turbo effort, don't remember long range attacks. But Remco would have won the stage if not for the crash.

My mother would have a better chance of winning any stage of this Giro than this lad. Utter tosh.

 

[Red Rick]

people are drawing weird conclusions (foss > evenepoel) based on a race where evenepoel returns after like 3 months of serious training.

I'd wait a bit until I see Evenepoel start with some race rythm and a proper preparation.

I believe literally nobody has made that conclusion.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Fantastic stage win for Dan Martin! He's an old school guy with an ugly style but immense character. He did a superb final climb. The GC guys went full without taking much back. In the final kilometers he went faster than Bernal - which is hard to believe.

Bernal is still favourite to win the Giro, but less so than this morning. Was it just a bad day, or is his back problem re-emerging? He all of a sudden looks vulnerable and this Giro isn't decided yet.

 

[Riek s]

if Remco didn't crash (might not be his fault now but still..)

And he was there to make pace when QS was leading the charge, maybe they would be close enough for Almeida to take the stage win as well. (if everything else would have been the same that is).