Giro d'Italia 2022 Giro d'Italia, Stage 15: Rivarolo Canavese – Cogne 177 km (Sunday, May 22nd)

[movingtarget]

Ciccone and the scenery won the day. What's with the coverage ? GC group was shown once in the last 6 or 7 minutes. Either they have one camera or the ghost of Ed Wood is the current TV director.

 

[groogster]

Already took back the 2 seconds gap. No way they could get away with that nonsense.

 

[gregrowlerson]

View: https://youtu.be/GtdEeI-B21A

 

[topcat]

Yesterday's stage: better than the best episode of Gomorrah.
Today's stage: Not ideal. The calm before the storm. Nice win for Ciccone.

 

[fbjim]

Kind of as expected, that MTF wasn't one that was ever likely to be decisive.


Next stage looks spicy.

 

[movingtarget]

Can any of the Italians here tell me what is going on with the cameras at the Giro??? This is the worst I have seen in any race!!!!

Figure that out you get a prize........

 

[fbjim]

I continue to not understand people who have a desperate desire to see the GC group riding tempo as opposed to the fight for the stage win.

 

[Red Rick]

I continue to not understand people who have a desperate desire to see the GC group riding tempo as opposed to the fight for the stage win.

Stage win was over with 18km to go

 

[movingtarget]

I continue to not understand people who have a desperate desire to see the GC group riding tempo as opposed to the fight for the stage win.

It is possible to show both..........

 

[Netserk]

GPM classification after today:

 

[movingtarget]

Stage win was over with 18km to go

Ciccone's celebration was more active than the GC group.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Giulio Ciccone for taking the stage.

Will keep an eye on Carthy. He tends to be right there and then often comes a tiny bit short.

 

[jmdirt]

I continue to not understand people who have a desperate desire to see the GC group riding tempo as opposed to the fight for the stage win.

I would prefer to see the the GC group battling on every stage, but risk/reward dictates that they race not to lose, instead of racing to win on days like this.

 

[fbjim]

I would prefer to see the the GC group battling on every stage, but risk/reward dictates that they race not to lose, instead of racing to win on days like this.

It's just not good terrain for any GC action. I'm going to assume they either wanted to ease into the mountains with a break stage, or more likely, whatever ski resort at Cogne paid the organizers a lot of money.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It's just not good terrain for any GC action. I'm going to assume they either wanted to ease into the mountains with a break stage, or more likely, whatever ski resort at Cogne paid the organizers a lot of money.

Best thing for Cogne would be to make it a monolithic five or six climb stage, or go over Grand Saint Bernard from Switzerland especially if it was also the Cima Coppi, to encourage more racing before it as the climb to Cogne itself is unlikely to create much action. Aosta valley is absolutely chocked full of great terrain for racing, but Cogne sadly is just about the worst MTF option available out of those viable enough as summit finishes.

 

[Lui98]

Can any of the Italians here tell me what is going on with the cameras at the Giro??? This is the worst I have seen in any race!!!!

Tour de Berghem has explained the situation on this post:

From this year RAI does not take care anymore of TV shooting and broadcasting of Giro.

A belgian company , called EMG, take care of this. RAI purchase the images from this company as all others TV (also eurosport, GCN etc.)

The same company, but with a different team, take care of Le Tour too.
The team that take care of Giro is the same that take care of Flanders classics.

All camera operators, motorcycle drivers, helicopters, all the technology and the tv director are from belgium.

Rai does nothing from a techical point of view. Rai only purchase the images

I used this quote to show you that even us Italians don' t know the reason why the TV direction is having this problems. Hopefully EMG will solve them before the end of the Giro, because apart from the issues with the direction, it' s clear that there has been a considerable step up in cameras quality

 

[Rackham]

A stage with lots of punchy climbs & super steep sections (20%) = huge entertainment (yesterday), whilst a stage with long grinding low gradient climbs & a false flat finish = procession & no GC action (today).

This is not an exact rule (or science) of course, but by & large it's a common theme throughout every single bike race & GT.

Christian Prudhomme used to always claim "it's the riders who make the race" (often because his ubiquitous hors catégorie col placed 80km from the finish provided zero spectacle or attacks), well no, actually it's the parcours which makes most of the difference.

 

[fbjim]

The most active GC mountain stages at last year's TDF were Le Grand Bornand and Tignes.

That said both the Romme-Colombiere and even Tignes climbs provide far better springboards for attacks than this climb which was almost never going to have GC action unless this was the year 1965.

 

[fbjim]

I think to the extent that "the riders make the race" it's less about this climb which was always going to be unsuited for a MTF for GC action, and more about something like Blockhaus where it's hard to really blame the organizers for that MTF not being more selective.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think to the extent that "the riders make the race" it's less about this climb which was always going to be unsuited for a MTF for GC action, and more about something like Blockhaus where it's hard to really blame the organizers for that MTF not being more selective.

You need both, though, really.

Give a complete layman the finest paints and canvas and they'll produce nothing of value. Give Claude Monet a box of crayons and some tissue paper and he won't produce much salvageable either.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

the fight for the break was fun, the mini escape by Bouwman, Tusveld and MVDP was too. But after Ciccone went berserk it was clear who was winning the stage.
Add to that the non-action in GC and it was a pretty boring stage in the end. Expected with the finishing climb tbh

 

[fbjim]

I'm not sure we've had a grand tour recently that hasn't really had at least a couple mid-mountain stages with a possibility of GC action. It's easy to have recency bias but it's not as if Quillan nor Saint-Gaudens at last year's Tour had anything but the GC guys taking it easy behind a break - same with Potenza this year.

Really this was just a poor choice for a MTF but I don't think you can extrapolate anything about stage design generally except "don't use a MTF that finishes with like 15km of false flat".

 

[staubsauger]

the fight for the break was fun, the mini escape by Bouwman, Tusveld and MVDP was too. But after Ciccone went berserk it was clear who was winning the stage.
Add to that the non-action in GC and it was a pretty boring stage in the end. Expected with the finishing climb tbh

Was it a hunger knock for Bouwman or did he simply ran out of fuel?

 

[Bolder]

You need both, though, really.

Give a complete layman the finest paints and canvas and they'll produce nothing of value. Give Claude Monet a box of crayons and some tissue paper and he won't produce much salvageable either.

Have you seen Matisse’s paper cut-out collages? Just saying…

No one is ever happy with an MTF. Too steep and there’s no GC action. Too shallow and ditto. Biggest factor today was yesterday’s slugfest.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Was it a hunger knock for Bouwman or did he simply ran out of fuel?

he had back problems after the 1st descend. He said in an interview after the race