Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro D’Italia Route Rumors

[Mayomaniac]

All the sprinters who get send to the Giro right now:

 

[Big Doopie]

...Now the best mountain stage could be diminished by that stupid MTT...

agreed. it is seriously dumb-a$$.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Ok, did Zomegnan just kidnap Vegni to take his place? That Giro looks super hard overall to me.
That Coi climb to Zoldo Alto is 4kms always over 10% with ramps up to 19% and the Aldeno side of Bondone is ideal to create really big gaps as a MTF because the steepest parts come rather early (and it's a tappone).
Nice to see that the final stage is a proper Fori Imperiali parade stage, if you finish in Rome you do it right. That one has the potential to be at least as stunning as the final parade in Paris.

Really interesting how it went from ITT Giro designed to get Remco to show up to a mountainous Giro. But Zomegnan wouldn’t take these Mickey Mouse 200 km stages. Way too short! I myself always hope for at least one 240 km+ stage but I can‘t really complain about stage lengths this time around.

 

[OlavEH]

I other hand do like the Zoldo Alto stage. But again the pacing of the stages make it less likely with big attacks both here and on the Tre Cime stage.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

don't believe i said it would be.

then again you qualify yourself by comparing ITTs only with "the best of" certain mountain stages. what about just comparing them with any other type of stage? chances that you have GC movement and drama is built into an ITT (because it is the race of truth and no one can hide). not necessarily built into any other type of stage (as 2020 Giro is a prime example, LOL!)

also, mountain stages are likely to be more exciting now as the purer climbers can no longer wait...

In my part of the world, ITTs are actually called the Race of Lies, because one person riding a bike alone isn't a race at all.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Looks like a very hard, relatively balanced (70 ITT k's is still nothing historically) course. Would liked to have seen a bit more interest in the first week but other than that it looks awesome. Hope they get a field to match the parcours!

Oh...I mean, this, that and the other thing suck! This is CN forums after all, we have to complain about the route...right?

I mean, there are lots of obvious deficiencies with this route and I don't think it's unreasonable to complain about those. In spite of that, it's obvious even to a regular criticaster like me that this route is better than any GT route in 2022, and probably also 2021. Like I said upthread, I legitimately like the route and it should deliver provided we don't get three weeks of Carapaz and Hindley spending every high mountain stage looking at each other again.

 

[Red Rick]

Sad day for torches, pitchforks, and PWU.

We are not taking new applications at this stage of the off season.

 

[OlavEH]

Like I said upthread, I legitimately like the route and it should deliver provided we don't get three weeks of Carapaz and Hindley spending every high mountain stage looking at each other again.

It would be interesting to see Hindley in same form as this May, and being forced to attack more. I believe he was in tremendous shape in the 22 Giro, and could have done much more in the mountain stages if he had to. So, maybe that could happen next year?

 

[Samamba]

You should look at the full profiles rather than the miniatures with exaggerated y-axes. Stages 2, 5, 6 and 11 are all near certainties, stages 3, 10 and 14 are opportunities to varying extents (also between sprinters) and then there are two pan-flat stages in the final half. 6-9 sprints is quite a lot, really.

Whether Mareczko can survive them is irrelevant as he will DNF or OTL on stage 3 if he isn't careful, if he even starts.

I did. 5 and 6 have a really hilly first part, hard to control. It's early in the race so probably enough sprint teams so yes it should be a sprint but those stages are not flat at all. 10 and 14 are even harder to control and further in the Giro, so breakaway stages imo or a really strong sprinter with a strong team. 11 is apart from stage 3 probably the easiest out there (before last week when when we'll just get some tier 3 sprinters battling it out). Imo there's only 2 100% sprints in the first 2 weeks and a few where a sprint is definitely the most likely outcome but they're tricky. Don't think the sprinters that already know they will be riding the Giro are going to be happy.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Sad day for torches, pitchforks, and PWU.

We are not taking new applications at this stage of the off season.

Has the arch-traitor Vegni been redeemed, at least partially?

 

[sir fly]

Looks attractive, yet 14 closing stars may turn it into this year's cliffhanger.
Maybe too hard for multiweek GC action.

 

[fbjim]

Glad that they're paying tribute to Michele Bartoli with that finish to "Technogym Village"

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It would be interesting to see Hindley in same form as this May, and being forced to attack more. I believe he was in tremendous shape in the 22 Giro, and could have done much more in the mountain stages if he had to. So, maybe that could happen next year?

With Evenepoel there, there will be minutes to make up when the race reaches the Alps so he would certainly be forced to attack if he wants to retain his title. As long as there's someone who can drop Remco on the biggest climbs, and the best version of Hindley is a potential candidate, this route is almost certain to deliver.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

disagree entirely.

ITT is where you can absolutely be sure that the GC is in play and there is epic drama and suspense as you don't know how riders will go.

it is the race of truth.

I don't mind ITTs but nobody grows up wanting to be a time trialist. They want to cross the line with arms in the air after winning a historic monument or Mountain stage. That's why Boonen and Nibali are idolised , but nobody wants to be mick Roger or Tony Martin.

I'm much more likely to skip watching an ITT and go training and then watch a big mountain stage than the other way around. Most are the same.

Anyway Remco will crush those ITT if he goes to the Giro

 

[ashhutch1997]

Admittedly, I would prefer the MTT to be before the final two mountain stages, but I think people are overreacting about how it'll ruin the Tre Cime stage.
Remember in 2016? We had an epic queen stage to Covara where there were huge gaps and great racing despite there being a MTT the next day.

 

[Red Rick]

Has the arch-traitor Vegni been redeemed, at least partially?

It is early days for that yet. To continue the path of redemption he must not cancel any mountain stages because it snows within a 300km radius, and broadcasts much actually be casted broadly as well

 

[Red Rick]

Admittedly, I would prefer the MTT to be before the final two mountain stages, but I think people are overreacting about how it'll ruin the Tre Cime stage.
Remember in 2016? We had an epic queen stage to Covara where there were huge gaps and great racing despite there being a MTT the next day.

Alpe di Siusi is much less of a fearsome climb that Monte Lussari is.

 

[ice&fire]

Sad day for torches, pitchforks, and PWU.

We are not taking new applications at this stage of the off season.

You can complain about your inability to complain

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I did. 5 and 6 have a really hilly first part, hard to control. It's early in the race so probably enough sprint teams so yes it should be a sprint but those stages are not flat at all. 10 and 14 are even harder to control and further in the Giro, so breakaway stages imo or a really strong sprinter with a strong team. 11 is apart from stage 3 probably the easiest out there (before last week when when we'll just get some tier 3 sprinters battling it out). Imo there's only 2 100% sprints in the first 2 weeks and a few where a sprint is definitely the most likely outcome but they're tricky. Don't think the sprinters that already know they will be riding the Giro are going to be happy.

I also wouldn't be that happy if I was a sprinter intent on finishing the race but that's more to do with the amount of climbing to survive rather than the amount of sprint opportunities...

 

[fbjim]

I haven't been counting Evenopoel as a GT winner under the Wiggins Clause where it doesn't count if the route is absolutely horrible, so hopefully he can redeem himself with his first Grand Tour victory here

 

[YavorD]

It would be interesting to see Hindley in same form as this May, and being forced to attack more. I believe he was in tremendous shape in the 22 Giro, and could have done much more in the mountain stages if he had to. So, maybe that could happen next year?

Would be interesting if we have a good TTer who would take like 2 minutes early.

If his main opponent is Carapaz (similar in TT's imo), we may get the same borefest. For having a good GT routes are only half of the equation. The other, and perhaps the more important part are the competitors. Hopefully Almeida or any other good TTer will be in form..

 

[houtdffan]

If Zomegan had returned that MTT would continue on an equally steep and technical descent.

Zomegan would have done the original road with its 22% average gradient

Then given it a 3rd category for being too short to deserve a second

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Alpe di Siusi is much less of a fearsome climb that Monte Lussari is.

Lussari is basically Les Praeres but 50% longer and Les Praeres is definitely easier than Siusi, so the difference isn't massive, and hopefully counterbalanced by it being the end of the race rather than the third weekend.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Would be interesting if we have a good TTer who would take like 2 minutes early.

If his main opponent is Carapaz (similar in TT's imo), we may get the same borefest. For having a good GT routes are only half of the equation. The other, and perhaps the more important part are the competitors. Hopefully Almeida or any other good TTer will be in form..

Thomas has talked about riding the Giro...
If we get him, Remco, Almeida, Hindley or Vlasov and maybe Roglic (?) that's a solid field fighting for the win and podium spots.

 

[OlavEH]

Would be interesting if we have a good TTer who would take like 2 minutes early.

If his main opponent is Carapaz (similar in TT's imo), we may get the same borefest. For having a good GT routes are only half of the equation. The other, and perhaps the more important part are the competitors. Hopefully Almeida or any other good TTer will be in form..

Evenepoel vs Hindley, Carapaz and Bernal in peak shape would be a very good set-up for this route.