Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro D’Italia Route Rumors

[Eshnar]

Vegni said the route is not going to be as hard as the most recent Giri (whatever that means...).

dunno either. He might mean that there are less MTFs, or that it is less climber friendly (because of the TTs), or that it has less total altitude gain, etc...

 

[staubsauger]

dunno either. He might mean that there are less MTFs, or that it is less climber friendly (because of the TTs), or that it has less total altitude gain, etc...

Or it could mean that he officially doesn't have a clue!

 

[SafeBet]

Or it could mean that he officially doesn't have a clue!

Seems like the most sensible explanation to me.

 

[Red Rick]

Seems like the most sensible explanation to me.

I have a better theory

He means it will be less hard to watch

 

[Mayomaniac]

Or it could mean that he officially doesn't have a clue!

That sounds like the logical explanation to me, Vegni is often just clueless. One one hand he designed some great Giro routes, on the other he has made some statements over the years that are just really ignorant.

 

[ChiefMasterPro]

Just a little bit off topic: The Giro normally uses three five-star-stages in one edition. The MTF towards Tre Cime would definitely be one of those. Do we consider the MTF to the Monte Bodone and the MTF in Crans Montana as a five-star-stage as well? Because if not, we might miss out a positive surprise elsewhere.

 

[Ricco']

I'm gonna bet that Lussari MTT will be a 5 star stage, just for the whole gimmick of MTT in iNsAnE gRaDiEnTs to decide the GC.

 

[OlavEH]

Just a little bit off topic: The Giro normally uses three five-star-stages in one edition. The MTF towards Tre Cime would definitely be one of those. Do we consider the MTF to the Monte Bodone and the MTF in Crans Montana as a five-star-stage as well? Because if not, we might miss out a positive surprise elsewhere.

If the Bondone stage is as hard as rumoured, it would certailny be a five star stage. More unsure about Crans Montana. Haven't seen too much rumours about this stage so far.

 

[Lequack]

With three TT Remco has this in the bag. All he has to do is show up.

 

[houtdffan]

With three TT Remco has this in the bag. All he has to do is show up.

its not like the TTs are 50km each. The final one is also a MTT

 

[Elos Anjos]

Is this the future of cycling or was it always like that but now is just too obvious? Self-fulfilling prophecies by which a rider with huge home support turns it into an asset that forces GTs to be drawn around his skill set eventually make him a GT winner...seems a bit too much.

 

[gavia88]

Is this the future of cycling or was it always like that but now is just too obvious? Self-fulfilling prophecies by which a rider with huge home support turns it into an asset that forces GTs to be drawn around his skill set eventually make him a GT winner...seems a bit too much.

you haven't had a look at the routes in the Moser/ Saronni era?

 

[Elos Anjos]

you haven't had a look at the routes in the Moser/ Saronni era?

Tell me about it.

 

[ice&fire]

you haven't had a look at the routes in the Moser/ Saronni era?

Looking at the routes is not enough. You need to know they cancelled Stelvio in 1984 with the excuse of a fake snowfall to see how far they went tailoring the route.

 

[houtdffan]

and a helicopter giving fingon a headwind in the final TT so Moser could win

 

[gavia88]

of course the Moser/ Saronni era is the most obvious example, but it always has been like this, that routes are made with the local favorites in mind. I think of the Vuelta's in the '10, lot of hill top finishes for Rodriques, Valverde, ect. and only 1 time trail. The tour reduduces the number of time trail kilometers with Bardet and Pinot in mind recently (ok, and tv audience that doesn't seems to like time trail). Well, there are many examples in cycling history (Tour de Suisse for Cancellara). The same for the number of sprint stages. Normally the giro is a lot hillier than the tour, but Cippo and Petachi got a lot of sprint stages in there best period.

However, the range in which grand tours has been more or less suitable for climbers, or punchers or sprinters is limited. You can see trends over time (more mountain top finishes, less completely flat stages and reduced amount of time trails is the current trend), but in my opinion the routes between the years are not super completely different. Number of HC, 1st and 2nd category climbs always are between 20-25. The number of HC's around 6-7, ect. Minimum 5-6 really flat stages. Normally 2-3 stages in the alps and Pyrenees in the tour for example. It's not that one year there is only 1 mountain top finish, but 12 murito stages and the next year 3 50 kilometer time trails and another year 9 mountain top finishes 1st or HC.

So, in most cases we are talking in nuance differences, to please the local favorite instead of tailor made routes.

 

[gregrowlerson]

George Orwell kind of unknowingly predicted that 1984 Giro world.

 

[Eshnar]

Based on a few sources in the Cicloweb Forum and some local articles the second week should be all set, with a finish in Viareggio, Tortona and Rivoli. The news of Crans Montana being on Thursday does not fit with any of the rumours we have, so we can only conclude it has to be on Friday. It should go over the Gran San Bernardo (all the way to the top, no tunnel), which will be the Cima Coppi.
The stage to Fossombrone is said to feature the Colle dei Cappuccini twice, like in the TA stage. Some earlier sources hinted also at the Monte Cesane, but we have no real news about it.
The first week has still quite a few question marks, the rest is more or less clear now.

1 Fossacesia - Ortona ITT
2 Teramo - San Salvo
3 Vasto – Lago Laceno
4 ??? – ???
5 ??? – ???
6 ??? – Sorrento?
7 Capua – Campo Imperatore
8 Terni-Fossombrone
9 Savignano - Cesena ITT
Rest
10 Brisighella? - Viareggio
11 Lido di Camaiore o Forte dei Marmi – Tortona
12 Bra – Rivoli
13 Ivrea? – Crans Montana
14 Sierre or Brig – Cesano Maderno
15 Seregno - Bergamo
Rest
16 Sabbio Chiese - Monte Bondone
17 Pergine Valsugana - Caorle
18 Oderzo - Zoldo Alto
19 Longarone - Tre Cime di Lavaredo
20 Tarvisio - Monte Lussari ITT
21 Trieste or Rome

 

[gavia88]

Based on a few sources in the Cicloweb Forum and some local articles the second week should be all set, with a finish in Viareggio, Tortona and Rivoli. The news of Crans Montana being on Thursday does not fit with any of the rumours we have, so we can only conclude it has to be on Friday. It should go over the Gran San Bernardo (all the way to the top, no tunnel), which will be the Cima Coppi.
The stage to Fossombrone is said to feature the Colle dei Cappuccini twice, like in the TA stage. Some earlier sources hinted also at the Monte Cesane, but we have no real news about it.
The first week has still quite a few question marks, the rest is more or less clear now.

1 Fossacesia - Ortona ITT
2 Teramo - San Salvo
3 Vasto – Lago Laceno
4 ??? – ???
5 ??? – ???
6 ??? – Sorrento?
7 Capua – Campo Imperatore
8 Terni-Fossombrone
9 Savignano - Cesena ITT
Rest
10 Brisighella? - Viareggio
11 Lido di Camaiore o Forte dei Marmi – Tortona
12 Bra – Rivoli
13 Ivrea? – Crans Montana
14 Sierre or Brig – Cesano Maderno
15 Seregno - Bergamo
Rest
16 Sabbio Chiese - Monte Bondone
17 Pergine Valsugana - Caorle
18 Oderzo - Zoldo Alto
19 Longarone - Tre Cime di Lavaredo
20 Tarvisio - Monte Lussari ITT
21 Trieste or Rome

any ideay what kind of stages we can aspect here?

10 Brisighella? - Viareggio
11 Lido di Camaiore o Forte dei Marmi – Tortona
12 Bra – Rivoli

Most of those places are on the border of complete flat valleys and some hillier terrain

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Does that make it three sprints (or at least flat finales) in a row to start the second week? Yikes.

 

[Red Rick]

Odds of Croix de Coeur before Crans Montana

 

[gavia88]

Odds of Croix de Coeur before Crans Montana

well, Ivrea as starting place will already make a long flat start of the stage. Which makes climbs between Saint-Bernard and Crans Montana less likely. Read on the cicloweb forum that they extend the Crans Montana climb with 2 k 6/7% above the town. Odds of Col du Lein instead of Croix de Coeur would be higher I guess.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

its not like the TTs are 50km each. The final one is also a MTT

MTT will be interesting, but i'm not sure who's gonna come close at a pure w/kg fest.

 

[Eshnar]

any ideay what kind of stages we can aspect here?

10 Brisighella? - Viareggio
11 Lido di Camaiore o Forte dei Marmi – Tortona
12 Bra – Rivoli

Most of those places are on the border of complete flat valleys and some hillier terrain

no, no idea. The Rivoli stage is said to be hilly, but we don't know anything.

 

[Eshnar]

Odds of Croix de Coeur before Crans Montana

Is that a rhetorical question?