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Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d’Italia, Stage 20: Tarvisio- Monte Lussari, 18.6km MTT

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the problem isnt the route the problem is the riders you have here. THE GC guys are ALMEIDA, G. THOMAS and ROGLIC all are notoriously knowned for riding defensive all the time.....ofcourse its gonne be a snooze fest.

Same route and put Pogacar in it, attacked left and right and sprints in intermiditates sprints too..its the riders not the course and their all notoriously knowned for riding this way all 3 of em so yeah here you go ofcourse this is the outcome then..their riding this non stop all their life its just these riders way of riding.

Ofc would pog ride there wouldnt be much excitment in the GC apartments in terms of time so in that perspective that also could been boring in the sense of easy win but wouldnt lack of attacks left right and center.

Also Roglic will win tomorrow, just a well educated guess from inner circles, run to the bookies.
Agree except that by now Pogacar would be 6 minutes ahead and ready for more.
I hope Almeida can ride a beast of a TT to take the overall and win.

What I do know is that whoever of the three wins tomorrow, their fan base/camp will be very excited and will talk about it for a long time and rightfully so.

G's extensive fan base will talk about it for 3 minutes.

The Roglic thread will still be going on about it in 3 years time, win or lose.
Giro d'Italia 2023 stage 20 time trial start times

1Nicolas Dalla Valle (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia11:30:00
2Alberto Dainese (Ita) Team DSM11:31:00
3Alberto Torres (Spa) Movistar Team11:32:00
4Yukiya Arashiro (Jpn) Bahrain Victorious11:33:00
5Alexander Krieger (Ger) Alpecin-Deceuninck11:34:00
6Alessandro Iacchi (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia11:35:00
7Mark Cavendish (GBR) Astana Qazaqstan11:36:00
8Filippo Fiorelli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané11:37:00
9Alan Riou (Fra Arkéa-Samsic11:38:00
10Fernando Gaviria (Col) Movistar Team11:39:00
11Charles Quartermann (GBR) Corratec-Selle Italia11:40:00
12Fabian Lienhard (Swi) Groupama-FDJ11:41:00
13Jonas Hvideberg (Nor) Team DSM11:42:00
14Arne Marit (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty11:43:00
15Simone Consonni (Ita) Cofidis11:44:00
16Daan Hoole (Ned) Trek-Segafredo11:45:00
17Campbell Stewart (NZl) Jayco-AlUla11:46:00
18Max Kanter (Ger) Movistar Team11:47:00
19Gianni Moscon (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan11:48:00
20Filippo Magli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané11:49:00
21Ignata Konovalovas (Ltu) Groupama-FDJ11:50:00
22Niklas Markl (Ger) Team DSM11:51:00
23Jonathan Milan (Ita) Bahrain Victorious11:52:00
24Aleksander Konychev (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia11:53:00
25Martin Marcellusi (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané11:54:00
26Otto Vergaerde (Bel) Trek-Segafredo11:55:00
27Veljko Stojnic (Srb) Corratec-Selle Italia11:56:00
28Cesare Benedetti (Pol) Bora-Hansgrohe11:57:00
29Alex Kirsch (Lux) Trek-Segafredo11:58:00
30Diego Sevilla Lopez (Spa) Eolo Kometa11:59:00
31Lukas Postlberger (Aut) Jayco-AlUla12:00:00
32Stephen Williams (GBR) Israel-Premier Tech12:01:00
33Jake Stewart (GBR) Groupama-FDJ12:02:00
34Thibault Guernalec (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic12:03:00
35Senne Leysen (Bel) Alpecin-Deceuninck12:04:00
36Edoardo Affini (Ita) Jumbo-Visma12:05:00
37Alexandre Delettre (Fra) Cofidis12:06:00
38Laurenz Rex (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty12:07:00
39Henok Muluebrhan (Eri) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané12:08:00
40Michel Ries (Lux) Arkéa-Samsic12:09:00
41Kristian Sbaragli (Ita) Alpecin-Deceuninck12:10:00
42Karel Vacek (Cze) Corratec-Selle Italia12:11:00
43Hugo Toumire (Fra) Cofidis12:12:00
44Pascal Ackermann (Ger) UAE Team Emirates12:13:00
45Davide Bais (Ita) Eolo Kometa12:14:00
46JosE' Joaquin Rojas (Spa) Movistar Team13:50:00
47Mirco Maestri (Ita) Eolo Kometa13:51:00
48Maxime Bouet (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic13:52:00
49Michael Hepburn (Aus) Jayco-AlUla13:53:00
50Thomas Gloag (GBR) Jumbo-Visma13:54:00
51Jasha Sutterlin (Ger) Bahrain Victorious13:55:00
52Alex Baudin (Fra) AG2R Citroën13:56:00
53Sebastian Berwick (Aus) Israel-Premier Tech13:57:00
54Marius Mayrhofer (Ger) Team DSM13:58:00
55Vincenzo Albanese (Ita) Eolo Kometa13:59:00
56Salvatore Puccio (Ita) Ineos Grenadiers14:00:00
57Rudy Molard (Fra) Groupama-FDJ14:01:00
58Ryan Gibbons (RSA) UAE Team Emirates14:02:00
59Thomas Champion (Fra) Cofidis14:03:00
60Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Eolo Kometa14:04:00
61Andrea Pasqualon (Ita) Bahrain Victorious14:05:00
62Davide Gabburo (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané14:06:00
63Michael Matthews (Aus) Jayco-AlUla14:07:00
64Magnus Cort Nielsen (Den) EF Education-EasyPost14:08:00
65Ben Swift (GBR) Ineos Grenadiers14:09:00
66Pieter Serry (Bel) Soudal-Quickstep14:10:00
67Christian Scaroni (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan14:11:00
68Joseph Dombrowski (USA) Astana Qazaqstan14:12:00
69Matthew Riccitello (USA) Israel-Premier Tech14:13:00
70Ben Healy (Irl) EF Education-EasyPost14:14:00
71Nico Denz (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe14:15:00
72William Barta (USA) Movistar Team14:16:00
73Francois Bidard (Fra) Cofidis14:17:00
74Jefferson Cepeda Ortiz (Ecu) EF Education-EasyPost14:18:00
75Anton Palzer (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe14:19:00
76Mattia Bais (Ita) Eolo Kometa14:20:00
77Alberto Bettiol (Ita) EF Education-EasyPost14:21:00
78Bauke Mollema (Ned) Trek-Segafredo14:22:00
79Verona Quintanilla (Spa) Movistar Team14:23:00
80Lorenzo Rota (Ita) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty14:24:00
81Stefano Oldani (Ita) Alpecin-Deceuninck14:25:00
82Vadim Pronskiy (Kaz) Astana Qazaqstan14:26:00
83Larry Warbasse (USA) AG2R Citroën14:27:00
84Alessandro Tonelli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané14:28:00
85Edoardo Zambanini (Ita) Bahrain Victorious14:29:00
86Bob Jungels (Lux) Bora-Hansgrohe16:05:00
87Alessandro de Marchi (Ita) Jayco-AlUla16:06:00
88Rohan Dennis (Aus) Jumbo-Visma16:07:00
89Valen Paret-Peintre (Fra) AG2R Citroën16:08:00
90Jay Vine (Aus) UAE Team Emirates16:09:00
91Sam Oomen (Ned) Jumbo-Visma16:10:00
92Marco Frigo (Ita) Israel-Premier Tech16:11:00
93Michel Hessmann (Ger) Jumbo-Visma16:12:00
94Jon Lastra Martinez (Spa) Cofidis16:13:00
95Brandon McNulty (USA) UAE Team Emirates16:14:00
96Davide Formolo (Ita) UAE Team Emirates16:15:00
97Toms Skujins (Lat) Trek-Segafredo16:16:00
98Diego Ulissi (Ita) UAE Team Emirates16:17:00
99Laurens Huys (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty16:18:00
100Simone Velasco (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan16:19:00
101Koen Bouwman (Ned) Jumbo-Visma16:20:00
102Nicolas Prodhomme (Fra) AG2R Citroën16:21:00
103Luis Leon Sanchez (Spa) Astana Qazaqstan16:22:00
104Derek Gee (Can) Israel-Premier Tech16:23:00
105Lorenzo Fortunato (Ita) Eolo Kometa16:24:00
106Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe16:25:00
107Jack Haig (Aus) Bahrain Victorious16:26:00
108Filippo Zana (Ita) Jayco-AlUla16:27:00
109Warren Barguil (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic16:28:00
110Bruno Armirail (Fra) Groupama-FDJ16:29:00
111Sepp Kuss (USA) Jumbo-Visma16:32:00
112Aureli Paret-Peintre (Fra) AG2R Citroën16:35:00
113Ilan van Wilder (Bel) Soudal-Quickstep16:38:00
114Santiago Buitrago (Col) Bahrain Victorious16:41:00
115Einer Rubio Reyes (Col) Movistar Team16:44:00
116Laurens de Plus (Bel) Ineos Grenadiers16:47:00
117Andreas Leknessund (Nor) Team DSM16:50:00
118Lennard Kamna (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe16:53:00
119Thymen Arensman (Ned) Ineos Grenadiers16:56:00
120Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ16:59:00
121Edward Dunbar (Irl) Jayco-AlUla17:02:00
122Damiano Caruso (Ita) Bahrain Victorious17:05:00
123Joao Pedro Almeida (Por) UAE Team Emirates17:08:00
124Primoz Roglic (Slo) Jumbo-Visma17:11:00
125Geraint Thomas (GBR) Ineos Grenadiers17:14:00
The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible

this video is better.as i can see even the flat part from tarvisio isn't that flat.it's a monster climb!
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Dear members of the forum, due to a series of unfortunate events I was "dropped" in Venice and am now unable to go see this last stage. Would by any means anyone going be able to give me a ride to monte lussari from here?
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Everybody knows I'm not the first guy to crap on a route but I have to admit that when I saw this stage and where it was placed in the race, I thought it was incredibly stupid. And it turned out to be the case. I think I understand a little bit better now why people pay so much attention to pacing of routes. I do still think that it's something that tends to be severely overestimated by some users but man has this race got it wrong...

At least I hope tomorrow will be a blast. The suspense certainly is alive. A Giro win is a Giro win, after all, I guess... Even this Giro.

Edit: Actually, I'm not going to be completely happy however this ends. Roglic and Thomas are probably the two top guys I like the most and it will end in heartbreak for one of them.
I would not expect it different.
A lot of teams staying just over the border in Kranjska Gora. So home turf advantage for Roglič. Tomorrow the TT course will look like Planica ski jumping event every year. There is even an organized (free?) bus that will be taking spectators from Kranjska Gora to Tarvisio every 20 minutes for the whole day. So expect a lot of Slovenian flags.

My only worry is that among those thousands of fans there will always be one or two idiots... remember Lopez getting into a fistfight in 2019? Yeah, those kind of idiots...
And they are going to be so disappointed.
Think Roglic may take this - not been a vintage giro but he seems to be improving. All about pacing.

How long will TT take? I guess the first 11.5km ish will be done in 13/14 mins or so- how long will the climb itself take 25-30minutes? If so we looking at a 40minute effort.
As been said, if this stage was yesterday before the Queen stage, then it'll be a lot better, but as we have the gimmick stage to round things off, I predict a gimmick winner! Arensman, after yesterday's showing, to race up the climb, threaten G on GC, told to knock it back by the DS, then soft pedal to the finish.
Thinking of many Roglic fans have apparently been bused in, how much room is there on the climb for fans? Things could get crowded up there.
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The guy with the KOM on Lussari had an average speed of 10 kmh :tearsofjoy:
Did 44 minutes over 7.3k.

How much faster would the pros ride? 14kmh?

Lussari has an elevation gain of 900 m. On such a steep gradient strong guys can achieve a VAM of about 1800 m/h for half an hour or maybe even more considering it's a ITT bazooka effort (i.e. 1860 m/h for 29 minutes or 1920 m/h for 28 minutes if Rogla channels his inner monster and has a superb performance like peak Vinge/Pog). So something around 15 kph is likely.

Thomas looks strong but there's still some hope for a legendary performance by the ski-jumper just 10 km from Planica hill, right?
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The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible
Some of his comments:
Some teams had not yet decided if they'd do a bike change
Bike change area is before the road narrows, still in the flat section. Riders are expected to arrive at >50km/h and will lose more time than if the bike change was in the climb.
His gear is 37x33 and cannot ride on the saddle. He recommends a 34t or 35t chainring.
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