Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d’Italia, Stage 20: Tarvisio- Monte Lussari, 18.6km MTT

[cen]

The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I'm gonna predict that there will be constant moaning throughout the stage about this being the worst Giro in memory, and if Remco was riding he would be in excess of 45 minutes up on second place by now.

45 minutes up on his own shadow!

 

[Tonton]

the problem isnt the route the problem is the riders you have here. THE GC guys are ALMEIDA, G. THOMAS and ROGLIC all are notoriously knowned for riding defensive all the time.....ofcourse its gonne be a snooze fest.

Same route and put Pogacar in it, attacked left and right and sprints in intermiditates sprints too..its the riders not the course and their all notoriously knowned for riding this way all 3 of em so yeah here you go ofcourse this is the outcome then..their riding this non stop all their life its just these riders way of riding.

Ofc would pog ride there wouldnt be much excitment in the GC apartments in terms of time so in that perspective that also could been boring in the sense of easy win but wouldnt lack of attacks left right and center.

Also Roglic will win tomorrow, just a well educated guess from inner circles, run to the bookies.

Agree except that by now Pogacar would be 6 minutes ahead and ready for more.

 

[nightowl]

After this meme of a Giro it’s only fitting that it ends with someone doing a Foliforov. I’m going with Will Barta to beat Roglic by 0.1 seconds, and Thomas holding onto GC by 2 seconds.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I hope Almeida can ride a beast of a TT to take the overall and win.


What I do know is that whoever of the three wins tomorrow, their fan base/camp will be very excited and will talk about it for a long time and rightfully so.

G's extensive fan base will talk about it for 3 minutes.

The Roglic thread will still be going on about it in 3 years time, win or lose.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The best poster in the forum is back

Just in time for our words per minute slugfest.

 

[JosefK]

Thomas to win the stage and Giro. Almeida + 30 seconds. Roglic + 1 minute, 15 seconds.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The guy with the KOM on Lussari had an average speed of 10 kmh
Did 44 minutes over 7.3k.

How much faster would the pros ride? 14kmh?

Monte Lussari | Strava Ride Segment in Tarvisio, Italy

www.strava.com

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Giro d'Italia 2023 stage 20 time trial start times

1	Nicolas Dalla Valle (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia	11:30:00
2	Alberto Dainese (Ita) Team DSM	11:31:00
3	Alberto Torres (Spa) Movistar Team	11:32:00
4	Yukiya Arashiro (Jpn) Bahrain Victorious	11:33:00
5	Alexander Krieger (Ger) Alpecin-Deceuninck	11:34:00
6	Alessandro Iacchi (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia	11:35:00
7	Mark Cavendish (GBR) Astana Qazaqstan	11:36:00
8	Filippo Fiorelli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	11:37:00
9	Alan Riou (Fra Arkéa-Samsic	11:38:00
10	Fernando Gaviria (Col) Movistar Team	11:39:00
11	Charles Quartermann (GBR) Corratec-Selle Italia	11:40:00
12	Fabian Lienhard (Swi) Groupama-FDJ	11:41:00
13	Jonas Hvideberg (Nor) Team DSM	11:42:00
14	Arne Marit (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty	11:43:00
15	Simone Consonni (Ita) Cofidis	11:44:00
16	Daan Hoole (Ned) Trek-Segafredo	11:45:00
17	Campbell Stewart (NZl) Jayco-AlUla	11:46:00
18	Max Kanter (Ger) Movistar Team	11:47:00
19	Gianni Moscon (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan	11:48:00
20	Filippo Magli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	11:49:00
21	Ignata Konovalovas (Ltu) Groupama-FDJ	11:50:00
22	Niklas Markl (Ger) Team DSM	11:51:00
23	Jonathan Milan (Ita) Bahrain Victorious	11:52:00
24	Aleksander Konychev (Ita) Corratec-Selle Italia	11:53:00
25	Martin Marcellusi (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	11:54:00
26	Otto Vergaerde (Bel) Trek-Segafredo	11:55:00
27	Veljko Stojnic (Srb) Corratec-Selle Italia	11:56:00
28	Cesare Benedetti (Pol) Bora-Hansgrohe	11:57:00
29	Alex Kirsch (Lux) Trek-Segafredo	11:58:00
30	Diego Sevilla Lopez (Spa) Eolo Kometa	11:59:00
31	Lukas Postlberger (Aut) Jayco-AlUla	12:00:00
32	Stephen Williams (GBR) Israel-Premier Tech	12:01:00
33	Jake Stewart (GBR) Groupama-FDJ	12:02:00
34	Thibault Guernalec (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic	12:03:00
35	Senne Leysen (Bel) Alpecin-Deceuninck	12:04:00
36	Edoardo Affini (Ita) Jumbo-Visma	12:05:00
37	Alexandre Delettre (Fra) Cofidis	12:06:00
38	Laurenz Rex (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty	12:07:00
39	Henok Muluebrhan (Eri) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	12:08:00
40	Michel Ries (Lux) Arkéa-Samsic	12:09:00
41	Kristian Sbaragli (Ita) Alpecin-Deceuninck	12:10:00
42	Karel Vacek (Cze) Corratec-Selle Italia	12:11:00
43	Hugo Toumire (Fra) Cofidis	12:12:00
44	Pascal Ackermann (Ger) UAE Team Emirates	12:13:00
45	Davide Bais (Ita) Eolo Kometa	12:14:00
46	JosE' Joaquin Rojas (Spa) Movistar Team	13:50:00
47	Mirco Maestri (Ita) Eolo Kometa	13:51:00
48	Maxime Bouet (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic	13:52:00
49	Michael Hepburn (Aus) Jayco-AlUla	13:53:00
50	Thomas Gloag (GBR) Jumbo-Visma	13:54:00
51	Jasha Sutterlin (Ger) Bahrain Victorious	13:55:00
52	Alex Baudin (Fra) AG2R Citroën	13:56:00
53	Sebastian Berwick (Aus) Israel-Premier Tech	13:57:00
54	Marius Mayrhofer (Ger) Team DSM	13:58:00
55	Vincenzo Albanese (Ita) Eolo Kometa	13:59:00
56	Salvatore Puccio (Ita) Ineos Grenadiers	14:00:00
57	Rudy Molard (Fra) Groupama-FDJ	14:01:00
58	Ryan Gibbons (RSA) UAE Team Emirates	14:02:00
59	Thomas Champion (Fra) Cofidis	14:03:00
60	Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Eolo Kometa	14:04:00
61	Andrea Pasqualon (Ita) Bahrain Victorious	14:05:00
62	Davide Gabburo (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	14:06:00
63	Michael Matthews (Aus) Jayco-AlUla	14:07:00
64	Magnus Cort Nielsen (Den) EF Education-EasyPost	14:08:00
65	Ben Swift (GBR) Ineos Grenadiers	14:09:00
66	Pieter Serry (Bel) Soudal-Quickstep	14:10:00
67	Christian Scaroni (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan	14:11:00
68	Joseph Dombrowski (USA) Astana Qazaqstan	14:12:00
69	Matthew Riccitello (USA) Israel-Premier Tech	14:13:00
70	Ben Healy (Irl) EF Education-EasyPost	14:14:00
71	Nico Denz (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe	14:15:00
72	William Barta (USA) Movistar Team	14:16:00
73	Francois Bidard (Fra) Cofidis	14:17:00
74	Jefferson Cepeda Ortiz (Ecu) EF Education-EasyPost	14:18:00
75	Anton Palzer (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe	14:19:00
76	Mattia Bais (Ita) Eolo Kometa	14:20:00
77	Alberto Bettiol (Ita) EF Education-EasyPost	14:21:00
78	Bauke Mollema (Ned) Trek-Segafredo	14:22:00
79	Verona Quintanilla (Spa) Movistar Team	14:23:00
80	Lorenzo Rota (Ita) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty	14:24:00
81	Stefano Oldani (Ita) Alpecin-Deceuninck	14:25:00
82	Vadim Pronskiy (Kaz) Astana Qazaqstan	14:26:00
83	Larry Warbasse (USA) AG2R Citroën	14:27:00
84	Alessandro Tonelli (Ita) Green Project-Bardiani CSF Faizané	14:28:00
85	Edoardo Zambanini (Ita) Bahrain Victorious	14:29:00
86	Bob Jungels (Lux) Bora-Hansgrohe	16:05:00
87	Alessandro de Marchi (Ita) Jayco-AlUla	16:06:00
88	Rohan Dennis (Aus) Jumbo-Visma	16:07:00
89	Valen Paret-Peintre (Fra) AG2R Citroën	16:08:00
90	Jay Vine (Aus) UAE Team Emirates	16:09:00
91	Sam Oomen (Ned) Jumbo-Visma	16:10:00
92	Marco Frigo (Ita) Israel-Premier Tech	16:11:00
93	Michel Hessmann (Ger) Jumbo-Visma	16:12:00
94	Jon Lastra Martinez (Spa) Cofidis	16:13:00
95	Brandon McNulty (USA) UAE Team Emirates	16:14:00
96	Davide Formolo (Ita) UAE Team Emirates	16:15:00
97	Toms Skujins (Lat) Trek-Segafredo	16:16:00
98	Diego Ulissi (Ita) UAE Team Emirates	16:17:00
99	Laurens Huys (Bel) Intermarché-Circus-Wanty	16:18:00
100	Simone Velasco (Ita) Astana Qazaqstan	16:19:00
101	Koen Bouwman (Ned) Jumbo-Visma	16:20:00
102	Nicolas Prodhomme (Fra) AG2R Citroën	16:21:00
103	Luis Leon Sanchez (Spa) Astana Qazaqstan	16:22:00
104	Derek Gee (Can) Israel-Premier Tech	16:23:00
105	Lorenzo Fortunato (Ita) Eolo Kometa	16:24:00
106	Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe	16:25:00
107	Jack Haig (Aus) Bahrain Victorious	16:26:00
108	Filippo Zana (Ita) Jayco-AlUla	16:27:00
109	Warren Barguil (Fra) Arkéa-Samsic	16:28:00
110	Bruno Armirail (Fra) Groupama-FDJ	16:29:00
111	Sepp Kuss (USA) Jumbo-Visma	16:32:00
112	Aureli Paret-Peintre (Fra) AG2R Citroën	16:35:00
113	Ilan van Wilder (Bel) Soudal-Quickstep	16:38:00
114	Santiago Buitrago (Col) Bahrain Victorious	16:41:00
115	Einer Rubio Reyes (Col) Movistar Team	16:44:00
116	Laurens de Plus (Bel) Ineos Grenadiers	16:47:00
117	Andreas Leknessund (Nor) Team DSM	16:50:00
118	Lennard Kamna (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe	16:53:00
119	Thymen Arensman (Ned) Ineos Grenadiers	16:56:00
120	Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ	16:59:00
121	Edward Dunbar (Irl) Jayco-AlUla	17:02:00
122	Damiano Caruso (Ita) Bahrain Victorious	17:05:00
123	Joao Pedro Almeida (Por) UAE Team Emirates	17:08:00
124	Primoz Roglic (Slo) Jumbo-Visma	17:11:00
125	Geraint Thomas (GBR) Ineos Grenadiers	17:14:00

 

[capuldemetal]

The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible

Video - La ricognizione del Monte Lussari con Lazzaro e Pontoni - Ultimo Chilometro

La cronoscalata del Monte Lussari nel video realizzato da Horizon Sports con Ilenia Lazzaro e Daniele Pontoni

ultimochilometro.it

this video is better.as i can see even the flat part from tarvisio isn't that flat.it's a monster climb!

 

[movingtarget]

Normally I would say the finish suits Roglic more than Thomas but Thomas might do enough with the time gap to just hang on.

 

[ZamlinusYoutubeious]

Well I once won a Vuelta in PCM with Igor Antón by winning an intermediate sprint in Madrid, so I have nothing against it. Otherwise there would be no point in handing out those seconds in the first place.

Come on now , Samu.. I would love for that to happen but PCM and a real race?!?! You on the good stuff? Or i am missing something

 

[Amazinmets87]

The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible

I'm wondering the time gap between stage winner and slowest rider.

 

[oliveira73]

Dear members of the forum, due to a series of unfortunate events I was "dropped" in Venice and am now unable to go see this last stage. Would by any means anyone going be able to give me a ride to monte lussari from here?

 

[ZamlinusYoutubeious]

Everybody knows I'm not the first guy to crap on a route but I have to admit that when I saw this stage and where it was placed in the race, I thought it was incredibly stupid. And it turned out to be the case. I think I understand a little bit better now why people pay so much attention to pacing of routes. I do still think that it's something that tends to be severely overestimated by some users but man has this race got it wrong...

At least I hope tomorrow will be a blast. The suspense certainly is alive. A Giro win is a Giro win, after all, I guess... Even this Giro.

Edit: Actually, I'm not going to be completely happy however this ends. Roglic and Thomas are probably the two top guys I like the most and it will end in heartbreak for one of them.

I would not expect it different.

 

[ZamlinusYoutubeious]

A lot of teams staying just over the border in Kranjska Gora. So home turf advantage for Roglič. Tomorrow the TT course will look like Planica ski jumping event every year. There is even an organized (free?) bus that will be taking spectators from Kranjska Gora to Tarvisio every 20 minutes for the whole day. So expect a lot of Slovenian flags.

My only worry is that among those thousands of fans there will always be one or two idiots... remember Lopez getting into a fistfight in 2019? Yeah, those kind of idiots...

And they are going to be so disappointed.

 

[Pantani_lives]

So this climb is steeper than the Zoncolan, the Mortirolo and the Angliru, but also shorter. Does this make it the toughest climb in the history of professional road cycling? Or do you attach more importance to altitude and length?

 

[steffr222]

I think Roglic will win GC, Almeida this stage.
I can‘t wait really, this could be the stage with potential to make the Giro an unforgettable one. I‘m ready for some PDBF stuff.

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

Arensman & Kuss will wait up for their leader to pace them up.

 

[Jan the Man]

Think Roglic may take this - not been a vintage giro but he seems to be improving. All about pacing.

How long will TT take? I guess the first 11.5km ish will be done in 13/14 mins or so- how long will the climb itself take 25-30minutes? If so we looking at a 40minute effort.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Arensman & Kuss will wait up for their leader to pace them up.

As Vine waits an hour for Almeida.

 

[Rob5091]

As been said, if this stage was yesterday before the Queen stage, then it'll be a lot better, but as we have the gimmick stage to round things off, I predict a gimmick winner! Arensman, after yesterday's showing, to race up the climb, threaten G on GC, told to knock it back by the DS, then soft pedal to the finish.
Thinking of many Roglic fans have apparently been bused in, how much room is there on the climb for fans? Things could get crowded up there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The guy with the KOM on Lussari had an average speed of 10 kmh
Did 44 minutes over 7.3k.

How much faster would the pros ride? 14kmh?

Monte Lussari | Strava Ride Segment in Tarvisio, Italy

www.strava.com

Lussari has an elevation gain of 900 m. On such a steep gradient strong guys can achieve a VAM of about 1800 m/h for half an hour or maybe even more considering it's a ITT bazooka effort (i.e. 1860 m/h for 29 minutes or 1920 m/h for 28 minutes if Rogla channels his inner monster and has a superb performance like peak Vinge/Pog). So something around 15 kph is likely.

Thomas looks strong but there's still some hope for a legendary performance by the ski-jumper just 10 km from Planica hill, right?

 

[tobydawq]

It's the correct impression, and we are not the only ones to notice it.

To quite Jay:

"Uh... What do you mean?"

 

[ice&fire]

The climb is insane, chech Contador recon: https://espanol.eurosport.com/cicli...-es-durisimo-mamma-mia_vid1918730/video.shtml

I think if riders mispace they will be pedalling squares and lose minutes. Anything is possible

Some of his comments:
Some teams had not yet decided if they'd do a bike change
Bike change area is before the road narrows, still in the flat section. Riders are expected to arrive at >50km/h and will lose more time than if the bike change was in the climb.
His gear is 37x33 and cannot ride on the saddle. He recommends a 34t or 35t chainring.