Not in this years Giro lolSo, stage 17 has the potential to be one of the fastest GT stages of all time, surely?
Really wild route design IMO.
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I think the Gran Sasso conditions could have changed the race a bit - the gaps there in 2018 were actually OK as a first sort-out and a similar stage with some gaps *could* have changed how a few boys raced since. I'm reaching I know...
Also - who do we think the goat track mountain TT actually suits best of the top 3?
Also - who do we think the goat track mountain TT actually suits best of the top 3?
In today's stage communiquee, RCS has released some details about Satuday's ITT:
The Commissaires Panel acknowledges and confirms the extension of article 16 of the special race regulations, which prohibits the use of any time trial bicycle from the exit of the duly identified and delimited change area.
1) Changing from the ITT bicycle to the road bicycle can only be made at the latest before the end of the bike change area designated and delimited by the Organisation.
2) All the road bicycles, including the spare bicycles, will be checked in the bike change area. Bicycles must be made available for checks in the 15 minutes prior to the passage of the rider concerned.
3) Only two people per team, duly and specifically authorised and accredited, will be allowed in the bike change area designated and delimited by the rganisation.
4) The part of the bicycle change area where riders can be pushed will be delimited and will be 25 metres long.
5) Bike checks will be performed at the start, as usual. Pre-checks will take place from 9:00 to 11:00 following a schedule that will be disclosed the day before the ITT.
6) Any bike change made before the bike change area must be made using only the equipment taken from the car following the rider.
7) The motorcycle with the mechanic on board may not carry any mechanical assistance equipment (bike and/or wheels) in the section between the start and the change area.
8) The person driving the car in the section between the start and the change area may not in any case get onboard the motorbike starting from the change area.
As a supplement to the special race regulations, the Direction of the Giro d'Italia communicates the last organisational and technical details.
The neutral motorbikes made available by the organisation and the official cars of the teams that wish to follow their riders will depart from the start located in Piazza Unità (Tarvisio), only team cars branded with the team's main logos are allowed. No neutral cars will be provided.
Team cars will be diverted at the beginning of the bike change area (Valsaisera Park) to allow the staff to dismount, and will go back towards the start after making a U-turn inside the team parking area.
The neutral motorbikes provided will be ready a few minutes before the start of the rider and will be equipped with radio equipment to receive race news from RadioTour. The organisation also provides a helmet, which must be returned to the driver at the finish.
At the end of the stage, the athletes and the teams staff must use the cable car to go back to the teams parking. The cable car will always be available and can be used by the teams with priority over the public, in both directions.
Route recon may be performed starting from 9:00 with just one car per team (no mini-vans). Continuing from the bike change area will only be allowed until 9:45.
All cars must leave the finish area before 10:30, and go back immediately to the start in Tarvisio.
The bike change area is 25 metres longs and will be delimited by lines drawn on the ground, as well as by start and finish panels. As a supplement to the special race regulations, we point out that after the end of the bike change area, the riders may only and exclusively continue with road bicycles, not with time-trial bikes.
The race will be divided into 3 heats starting at 11:30. The interval between the heats will be 50 minutes after the last rider has reached the finish line.
At the teams’ request, and in agreement with the race Direction, some riders, in addition to the last 15 starters, the jersey holders and their direct contenders, may be followed by 2 neutral motorcycles to accommodate 2 team members.
The equipment can be taken to the Valsaisera teams parking in the following time slots: first heat: 10:30-11:00, second heat: 12:30-13:00 and third heat: 15:00-15:30, following the race route
The Commissaires Panel acknowledges and confirms the extension of article 16 of the special race regulations, which prohibits the use of any time trial bicycle from the exit of the duly identified and delimited change area.
1) Changing from the ITT bicycle to the road bicycle can only be made at the latest before the end of the bike change area designated and delimited by the Organisation.
2) All the road bicycles, including the spare bicycles, will be checked in the bike change area. Bicycles must be made available for checks in the 15 minutes prior to the passage of the rider concerned.
3) Only two people per team, duly and specifically authorised and accredited, will be allowed in the bike change area designated and delimited by the rganisation.
4) The part of the bicycle change area where riders can be pushed will be delimited and will be 25 metres long.
5) Bike checks will be performed at the start, as usual. Pre-checks will take place from 9:00 to 11:00 following a schedule that will be disclosed the day before the ITT.
6) Any bike change made before the bike change area must be made using only the equipment taken from the car following the rider.
7) The motorcycle with the mechanic on board may not carry any mechanical assistance equipment (bike and/or wheels) in the section between the start and the change area.
8) The person driving the car in the section between the start and the change area may not in any case get onboard the motorbike starting from the change area.
As a supplement to the special race regulations, the Direction of the Giro d'Italia communicates the last organisational and technical details.
The neutral motorbikes made available by the organisation and the official cars of the teams that wish to follow their riders will depart from the start located in Piazza Unità (Tarvisio), only team cars branded with the team's main logos are allowed. No neutral cars will be provided.
Team cars will be diverted at the beginning of the bike change area (Valsaisera Park) to allow the staff to dismount, and will go back towards the start after making a U-turn inside the team parking area.
The neutral motorbikes provided will be ready a few minutes before the start of the rider and will be equipped with radio equipment to receive race news from RadioTour. The organisation also provides a helmet, which must be returned to the driver at the finish.
At the end of the stage, the athletes and the teams staff must use the cable car to go back to the teams parking. The cable car will always be available and can be used by the teams with priority over the public, in both directions.
Route recon may be performed starting from 9:00 with just one car per team (no mini-vans). Continuing from the bike change area will only be allowed until 9:45.
All cars must leave the finish area before 10:30, and go back immediately to the start in Tarvisio.
The bike change area is 25 metres longs and will be delimited by lines drawn on the ground, as well as by start and finish panels. As a supplement to the special race regulations, we point out that after the end of the bike change area, the riders may only and exclusively continue with road bicycles, not with time-trial bikes.
The race will be divided into 3 heats starting at 11:30. The interval between the heats will be 50 minutes after the last rider has reached the finish line.
At the teams’ request, and in agreement with the race Direction, some riders, in addition to the last 15 starters, the jersey holders and their direct contenders, may be followed by 2 neutral motorcycles to accommodate 2 team members.
The equipment can be taken to the Valsaisera teams parking in the following time slots: first heat: 10:30-11:00, second heat: 12:30-13:00 and third heat: 15:00-15:30, following the race route
Part of me wishes Dumoulin was here this Giro to take drop 3 minutes on Monte Lussari doing it on his TT bike in TT position
It's difficult to say between roglic or Thomas who it suits more. On paper roglic but the road is concrete not paper. Caruso, Aresman and Carty should all be quite strong
Dumoulin should do the Tour of Norway. Tomorrow, it opens with a prologue up Mount Fløyen - the same climb where he became World Champion.
My beloved II Giro is getting way worse than la vuela at the rate it is going. But still hard enough for Roglic to not win. 
I still don't think this was a bad route. It had flaws, but a lot of the negative racing was circumstantial.
Something that may have been overlooked is the influence of the TDF route. By having a horribly low amount of ITT, it encouraged the entire 2022 Giro podium (among other climbers) to focus on the Tour, preferring to race for 3rd there rather than 3rd at the Giro. If the Tour route had a sensible amount of ITT (at least 60 kms) then more climber GC types might have ridden the Giro, and there racing style might have contrasted nicely with the contenders that we ended up having to watch, watch each other.
The concern now is that Giro organisers might see a decent amount of ITT as the problem, and revert to under 40 kms of it in 2024.
Something that may have been overlooked is the influence of the TDF route. By having a horribly low amount of ITT, it encouraged the entire 2022 Giro podium (among other climbers) to focus on the Tour, preferring to race for 3rd there rather than 3rd at the Giro. If the Tour route had a sensible amount of ITT (at least 60 kms) then more climber GC types might have ridden the Giro, and there racing style might have contrasted nicely with the contenders that we ended up having to watch, watch each other.
The concern now is that Giro organisers might see a decent amount of ITT as the problem, and revert to under 40 kms of it in 2024.
Carapaz left Ineos to get TdF leadership I'm pretty sure. Maybe Hindley would have done the Giro if the Tour route was worse for him but I honestly doubt it too. I think it does apply to Landa though.
What was really lacking is a Bernal or Simon Yates, or MAL who would just say attack on their good days in the mountains.
Yeah, the South American riders could really have done something, but MAL and Quintana is basically out, Bernal injured and Carapaz has to try for the Tour obviously. Unlucky. I doubt Landa could have done that much tbh looking at how he has raced the past couple of years - very good, but not great.
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