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2023 Spring Classics CQ Game

Page 6 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Race 24 Liege-Bastogne-Liege

The penultimate event, but is it the decisive one?

Not many scoring riders, but one very significant one:
Race Pos'nPtsTeams
2​
PIDCOCK Thomas
170​
22​
7​
BENOOT Tiesj
90​
1​
11​
VAN GILS Maxim
54​
1​
22​
VAN WILDER Ilan
20​
2​
25​
TRATNIK Jan
14​
1​
Just 7 five pointers today, including Alaphlippe, who is on 24 teams.

Once again, the majority of teams have Pidcock + fivers.
1​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
265​
Pidcock & Benoot
80​
2​
Josedin
234​
Pidcock & Van Gils
50​
3​
Anderis
200​
Pidcock & Van Wilder
35​
4​
Googolplex
195​
Pidcock & Van Wilder
25​
5​
Kazistuta
180​
Pidcock
10​
5​
Search
180​
10​
5​
SlowClimber
180​
10​
8​
AmisVelo
175​
0.4​
8​
Armchair
175​
0.4​
8​
Bminchow
175​
0.4​
8​
Comodoro
175​
0.4​
8​
Del1962
175​
0.4​
8​
DevilsElbow
175​
0.4​
8​
DJW
175​
0.4​
8​
EvansIsTheBest
175​
0.4​
8​
Hfgon1
175​
0.4​
8​
JumboVismaFan
175​
0.4​
8​
Laarsland
175​
0.4​
8​
Madrazo
175​
0.4​
8​
RoteLaterne
175​
0.4​
8​
Triley36
175​
0.4​
8​
Twiddle87
175​
0.4​
23​
Rufs
19​
Tratnik
24​
BR
10​
24​
Peixotini
10​
24​
Salvarani
10​
27​
Leadbelly
5​
27​
Vladimir
5​
29​
DJSprtsch
0​
29​
RedheadDane
0​
CollectiveWisdom
175​
SoLastYear
90​
MainGamePop
175​


Standings
Green points
1​
Salvarani
501.5​
0​
2​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
374.95​
2​
3​
SlowClimber
367.5​
-1​
4​
DJSprtsch
317.1​
-1​
5​
DevilsElbow
261.07​
0​
6​
Vladimir
258.35​
0​
7​
Googolplex
252.1​
0​
8​
DJW
216.7​
0​
9​
EvansIsTheBest
202.85​
0​
10​
Peixotini
187​
0​
Salvarani only has to finish to claim the title (I'm not sure how one can fail to finish in this).
BitB joins Slow Climber and DJSprtsch with three outright wins in a race: Salvarani has 2, and Devil's Elbow in 5th has none.
Teams down to 7th still have a chance for the podium.

Main Game
Having either Pidcock or Van der Poel has been essential: having both looks to have been the key.

1​
EvansIsTheBest
1902​
1​
2​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
1841​
1​
3​
Salvarani
1755​
-2​
4​
SlowClimber
1657​
0​
5​
DevilsElbow
1587​
0​
6​
AmisVelo
1529​
1​
7​
Laarsland
1515​
1​
8​
DJW
1501​
1​
9​
Googolplex
1453​
1​
10​
Kazistuta
1400​
1​
11​
Madrazo
1390​
1​
12​
DJSprtsch
1370​
-6​
13​
Anderis
1369​
3​
14​
Triley36
1363​
-1​
15​
Twiddle87
1351​
-1​
16​
Search
1348​
1​
17​
JumboVismaFan
1319​
1​
18​
Bminchow
1270​
2​
19​
RoteLaterne
1230​
2​
20​
Hfgon1
1211​
2​
21​
Del1962
1204​
2​
22​
Armchair
1181​
2​
22​
Peixotini
1181​
-7​
24​
Comodoro
1160​
1​
25​
Josedin
1140​
1​
26​
Vladimir
1129​
-7​
27​
Leadbelly
819​
0​
28​
BR
646​
0​
29​
Rufs
529​
0​
30​
RedheadDane
355​
0​
CollectiveWisdom
1170​
SoLastYear
1288​
MainGamePop
1181​

One race left, 180 points for the winning rider of Eschborn Frankfurt, but there are not many riders chosen in the game who could flourish there, if the race is as expected. Welsford or not Welsford?
 
I have rather taken my eye off the ball for the startlist changes in our decisive event, but it would appear that Sam Welsford is not now riding in Frankfurt, which puts a rather large spoke in the wheels of Salvarani's comeback hopes. What I see in the PCS startlist offers little prospect of big points for any of the top three in their last spin of the bottle.

Evans is the Best
Schelling
Hermans

Blues in the Bottle
Politt
Engelhardt

Salvarani
Van Asbroeck

All shall be confirmed on Monday.
 
I have rather taken my eye off the ball for the startlist changes in our decisive event, but it would appear that Sam Welsford is not now riding in Frankfurt, which puts a rather large spoke in the wheels of Salvarani's comeback hopes. What I see in the PCS startlist offers little prospect of big points for any of the top three in their last spin of the bottle.

Evans is the Best
Schelling
Hermans

Blues in the Bottle
Politt
Engelhardt

Salvarani
Van Asbroeck

All shall be confirmed on Monday.
Hermans was the only one to make the front group so that should be it. Unless there's a Soren Kragh Andersen team that can jump in front of every one else.
 
The final showdown, and a better race than I had anticipated.

Race 25 Eschborn-Frankfurt
A better race to watch, perhaps, but not outstanding in terms of points for our game.
Race Pos'nPtsTeams
1​
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
180​
5​
9​
HERMANS Ben
40​
2​
13​
BIERMANS Jenthe
24​
1​
15​
BYSTRØM Sven Erik
20​
2​
20​
POLITT Nils
11​
5​
and 6 five pointers.

1​
Twiddle87
200​
Kragh and Bystrom
80​
2​
Peixotini
191​
Kragh and Politt
42.5​
2​
Vladimir
191​
42.5​
4​
DJW
180​
Kragh
20​
4​
JumboVismaFan
180​
20​
6​
Comodoro
45​
Hermans
10​
7​
EvansIsTheBest
40​
Hermans
5​
8​
BR
24​
Biermanns
3​
9​
Laarsland
20​
2​
10​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
16​
1​
11​
AmisVelo
11​
11​
Search
11​
13​
Josedin
10​
13​
RedheadDane
10​
15​
DJSprtsch
5​
15​
Leadbelly
5​
15​
Triley36
5​
CollectiveWisdom
0​
SoLastYear
10​
MainGamePop
0​

It wasn't actually that bad in terms of contribution to the team's scores: today was the 12th highest points-yielding event, and it outscored Gent-Wevelgem, Fleche Wallonne and Brabantse Pijl, which one might expect to be higher scoring. I trust my abbreviations will be self-evident.

Strade
6863​
LBL
4118​
MSR
3790​
Ardeche
3531
Ronde
3382​
Amstel
3151​
Omloop
2974
PR
1847​
Dwars
1685​
Drome
1478​
E3
1428​
Frankfurt1144
Gent-Wev978
Fleche
786​
KBK
676​
De Panne449
Mil-Tor
373​
Schelde290
Koksijde263
Brabantse215
Laig
189​
Nokere
165​
GP Indurain58
Denain
16​
GP Industria0
No idea why the numbers have aligned differently for some races....
 
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The Green points

1​
Salvarani
501.5​
0​
2​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
375.95​
0​
3​
SlowClimber
367.5​
0​
4​
DJSprtsch
317.1​
0​
5​
Vladimir
300.85​
1​
6​
DevilsElbow
261.07​
-1​
7​
Googolplex
252.1​
0​
8​
Twiddle87
251.4​
5​
9​
DJW
236.7​
-1​
10​
Peixotini
229.5​
0​
11​
EvansIsTheBest
207.85​
-2​
12​
Laarsland
188.75​
-1​
13​
Josedin
184.17​
-1​
14​
Anderis
164.6​
0​
15​
Leadbelly
147.6​
0​
16​
JumboVismaFan
142.15​
3​
17​
Madrazo
138.85​
-1​
18​
Kazistuta
137.55​
-1​
19​
AmisVelo
131.18​
-1​
20​
Comodoro
101.42​
0​
21​
Search
85.77​
0​
22​
Del1962
81.75​
0​
23​
RedheadDane
70​
0​
24​
Triley36
66.85​
0​
25​
Rufs
60.35​
0​
26​
Bminchow
58.78​
0​
27​
BR
46.28​
0​
28​
Hfgon1
24.63​
0​
29​
RoteLaterne
11.8​
0​
30​
Armchair
9.98​
0​
Winning on the day bumped a new player, Twiddle87, into the top ten here, with his second race victory. Salvarani was knocked off the top in the main classification in Liege, but the win here has looked nailed on for some time, with 2 outright wins, 2 shared wins, 3 seconds and a third. Slow Climber, Blues in the Bottle and DJSprtsch each got 3 wins, but the manager with most top tens (or tied for top ten) was DJW.
My only consolation was that there were 7 teams that got fewer top tens than me (DJSprtsch only got 6, but 3 of them were wins!), but all 7 got a podium at some point.

I am always pleased when the minor classification returns a rather different result than the game proper: I don't think I am spoiling the surprise too much by saying that our overall winner didn't even make the top ten here.
 
Spring Classics CQ Game, the final reckoning

A proud day for Mrs ITB, as her two boys top the final table.

Evans will have been pleased to see no Sam Welsford on the startline, and more so to see Ben Hermans in the decisive break. DJW, Twiddle and Jumbo Visma Fan will have been pleased to see a last minute boost to their standings.
1​
EvansIsTheBest
1942​
0​
2​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
1857​
0​
3​
Salvarani
1755​
0​
4​
DJW
1681​
4​
5​
SlowClimber
1657​
-1​
6​
DevilsElbow
1587​
-1​
7​
Twiddle87
1551​
8​
8​
AmisVelo
1540​
-2​
9​
Laarsland
1535​
-2​
10​
JumboVismaFan
1499​
7​
11​
Googolplex
1453​
-2​
12​
Kazistuta
1400​
-2​
13​
Madrazo
1390​
-2​
14​
DJSprtsch
1375​
-2​
15​
Peixotini
1372​
7​
16​
Anderis
1369​
-3​
17​
Triley36
1368​
-3​
18​
Search
1359​
-2​
19​
Vladimir
1320​
7​
20​
Bminchow
1270​
-2​
21​
RoteLaterne
1230​
-2​
22​
Hfgon1
1211​
-2​
23​
Comodoro
1205​
1​
24​
Del1962
1204​
-3​
25​
Armchair
1181​
-3​
26​
Josedin
1150​
-1​
27​
Leadbelly
824​
0​
28​
BR
670​
0​
29​
Rufs
529​
0​
30​
RedheadDane
365​
0​
CollectiveWisdom
1170​
SoLastYear
1298​
MainGamePop
1181​

The margins looked fairly comfortable in the end, but I think the game was nicely balanced this time around.

Congratulations to Evans is the Best, and to Blues in the Bottle and Salvarani for their podium places, and thanks to all for entering: I hope it gave an extra aspect to your springtime viewing.

Not much time left before you need to get your entries in for the Giro CQ Game, don't be late.

I hope to do some rider analysis tomorrow, but if you want to dig deeper into the numbers for yourselves, here they are.
 
Not picking Ala or Pidcock was a bold strategy from me... and it was almost enough to win the overall but finished 3rd in the end. I will take the win in the Green jersey competition for having a pretty consistent team that scored in many races.

Biggest what if is if Turner doesnt crash in Omloop, but that is something you cant control so not something to dwell over.

Congratulations to @EvansIsTheBest for winning the game and to @Armchair cyclist for arranging it. Updating very fast after each race. Very much appreciated.
 
Is four riders who scored nothing a record for a winning team in a game like this? Goes to show that the cheap value picks are less important than getting the big calls right.
Nearly five even, Hermans only scored on the last day. I don't think anybody has won with such a top heavy team before. It helps that the winning score was lower than most years. Usually the winner scores 2k+ and I don't think you can get there without some good value picks.

But generally speaking, I think that you need to get the right expensive picks and then between teams that share the winning combo of expensive guys, the value picks make the difference. So you need both unless there's something crazy happening like only one team having the right combo of high cost picks.
 
Armchair you are right, Mrs. ITB was so pleased with her boys. Both she and I were very happy because this is as high as I have scored. Thanks for putting the game on.
Congratulations to EitB your big guys did their jobs. Salvarani sorry to pass you at the end; but it felt good from my seat. See you all in Italy.
 
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Some data:

Top scoring riders with their cost and popularity

POGACAR Tadej
957points scored​
3398 cost​
0 teams​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
886​
1230​
3​
VAN AERT Wout
767​
2810​
0​
LAPORTE Christophe
693​
1189​
0​
PIDCOCK Thomas
625​
599​
22​
PHILIPSEN Jasper
597​
1423​
0​
PEDERSEN Mads
553​
1472​
0​
BENOOT Tiesj
489​
543​
1​
HEALY Ben
470​
167​
0​
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias
438​
944​
0​
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
364​
362​
5​
MADOUAS Valentin
359​
952​
0​
MOHORIC Matej
333​
971​
0​
GANNA Filippo
321​
574​
0​
KÜNG Stefan
307​
1358​
0​
POWLESS Neilson
299​
802​
0​
DE LIE Arnaud
295​
1439​
0​
EVENEPOEL Remco
280​
3154​
0​
VANMARCKE Sep
276​
267​
2​
VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan
241​
112​
0​
ALAPHILIPPE Julian
214​
489​
24​
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria
212​
236​
6​
VAN GILS Maxim
212​
336​
1​
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian
210​
305​
0​
ROTA Lorenzo
207​
915​
0​
BALLERINI Davide
205​
262​
1​
KRON Andreas Lorentz
205​
395​
1​
DEGENKOLB John
200​
187​
0​
KONRAD Patrick
200​
364​
0​

Riders in profit (sorted by the net profit, because infinite percentage might still only be 5 points)
HEALY Ben
470 points​
167 cost​
0 teams​
281.4 %​
VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan
241​
112​
0​
215.2​
FRISON Frederik
194​
72​
0​
269.4​
STEINHAUSER Georg
86​
25​
0​
344.0​
RICKAERT Jonas
67​
10​
0​
670.0​
GREGOIRE Romain
156​
108​
4​
144.4​
COLOMBO Filippo
50​
5​
0​
1000.0​
PETERS Nans
135​
91​
0​
148.4​
VAN DIJKE Tim
112​
72​
0​
155.6​
HEIDUK Kim
54​
17​
3​
317.6​
BLOUWE Louis
55​
25​
0​
220.0​
PIDCOCK Thomas
625​
599​
22​
104.3​
BJERG Mikkel
182​
159​
0​
114.5​
DEKKER David
25​
3​
11​
833.3​
HALVORSEN Kristoffer
46​
25​
2​
184.0​
HERMANS Ben
40​
20​
2​
200.0​
KIELICH Timo
124​
104​
0​
119.2​
KOPECKY Matyas
23​
4​
0​
575.0​
VANDEPITTE Nathan
21​
2​
0​
1050.0​
MAGLI Filippo
15​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
REX Laurenz
96​
81​
2​
118.5​
WOOD Harrison
20​
5​
1​
400.0​
DEGENKOLB John
200​
187​
0​
107.0​
PUPPIO Antonio
15​
2​
0​
750.0​
DE VOS Adam
12​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
PELLIZZARI Giulio
12​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
SERRANO RODRIGUEZ Javier
14​
2​
0​
700.0​
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
46​
35​
0​
131.4​
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul
83​
72​
0​
115.3​
MARTIN ROMERO David
10​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio
20​
10​
1​
200.0​
JENSEN August
12​
3​
0​
400.0​
VANMARCKE Sep
276​
267​
2​
103.4​
SOUPE Geoffrey
15​
8​
0​
187.5​
FAGUNDEZ LIMA Eric Antonio
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
HOFSTEDE Lennard
5​
0​
1​
#DIV/0!​
HUYS Branko
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
NABERMAN Tim
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
TAROZZI Manuele
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
VANDENBRANDEN Noah
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
ZAMBELLI Samuele
5​
0​
0​
#DIV/0!​
ALLENO Clément
11​
7​
0​
157.1​
SLOCK Liam
15​
11​
0​
136.4​
VAN BOVEN Luca
35​
31​
0​
112.9​
JARNET Maxime
20​
17​
0​
117.6​
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
364​
362​
5​
100.6​
RENARD Alexis
99​
97​
0​
102.1​
VAN DER MEER Nick
5​
3​
0​
166.7​
MARIS Elias
15​
14​
0​
107.1​


Best Possible Team I don't normally do this very successfully, but as far as I can find...

PIDCOCK Thomas
599 points​
625 cost​
22 teams​
BENOOT Tiesj
543​
489​
1​
HEALY Ben
167​
470​
0​
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
362​
364​
5​
VANMARCKE Sep
267​
276​
2​
VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan
112​
241​
0​
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria
236​
212​
6​
BALLERINI Davide
262​
205​
1​
DEGENKOLB John
187​
200​
0​
FRISON Frederik
72​
194​
0​
PETERS Nans
91​
135​
0​
VAN DIJKE Tim
72​
112​
0​
TOTAL
2970​
3523​
37​
Just as low in the popularity rankings as RhD's team.

The Collective Ignorance team Best possible of those that nobody picked, with the same provisos about my accuracy.
LAPORTE Christophe
1189 points​
693 cost​
HEALY Ben
167​
470​
VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan
112​
241​
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian
305​
210​
DEGENKOLB John
187​
200​
KONRAD Patrick
364​
200​
FRISON Frederik
72​
194​
BJERG Mikkel
159​
182​
PETERS Nans
91​
135​
DE KLEIJN Arvid
155​
130​
KIELICH Timo
104​
124​
VAN DIJKE Tim
72​
112​
2977​
2891​



The 'Oops' list Riders that were selected, at more than average (250 pt) cost, who scored less than 15% of their price, ordered by net loss.
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
21 points​
1048 cost​
1 teams​
SHEFFIELD Magnus
73​
621​
2​
SENECHAL Florian
24​
480​
1​
JUNGELS Bob
0​
449​
1​
TRATNIK Jan
24​
426​
1​
SAGAN Peter
20​
402​
7​
TURNER Ben
15​
372​
14​
STEWART Jake
26​
360​
1​
TULETT Ben
5​
316​
2​
LAURANCE Axel
0​
301​
1​
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
29​
320​
6​
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
38​
272​
3​
 
Re: collective ignorance, you have enough budget left to replace Peters with Grégoire, right? Nudges the score up a little.
Not in the Collective Ignorance team I couldn't, because Gregoire was picked 4 times, but good spot, I could have put him into the Best Possible team alongside Bjerg in place of Ballerini and Van Lijke to bump that score up by 21 points (and 97 spare points that I can't see a way of getting an advantage out of)


The data set that I forgot earlier was the impeccable picks list
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
LAPORTE Christophe
PIDCOCK Thomas
BENOOT Tiesj
HEALY Ben
VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan
FRISON Frederik
STEINHAUSER Georg
RICKAERT Jonas
COLOMBO Filippo
DEKKER David
VANDEPITTE Nathan
MAGLI Filippo
 
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Of course, I put myself at a disadvantage by deliberately making a novelty team. However, it sure didn't help that the rider I reasonably could have expected to score me a decent haul managed to break his arm twice. Otherwise, who knows if I could have been within a 100 points of @Rufs?
And, yes, I checked. He doesn't have B. Turner.
 

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Congratulations EITB! Van Baarle seemed like an inspired unique pick for me after the opening race.....but not to be. But 4th is a decent finish with a few to the long game across the season....
 
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Question:
Tro-Bro Léon is a 1.Pro race.
And it's spring.
Why is it not part of the game?
Because the game starts with the first WT one-day race in spring and ends with the final WT one-day race in spring - two natural cutoffs. Yes, you could include all the 1.Pros in May, but @Armchair cyclist has a Giro game to run then, most players will be much more focused on that as well, and there wouldn't be very many points scored in May anyway so the game would just go on and on without much change to the rankings. In other words, nobody would be paying attention anymore.
 
Because the game starts with the first WT one-day race in spring and ends with the final WT one-day race in spring - two natural cutoffs. Yes, you could include all the 1.Pros in May, but @Armchair cyclist has a Giro game to run then, most players will be much more focused on that as well, and there wouldn't be very many points scored in May anyway so the game would just go on and on without much change to the rankings. In other words, nobody would be paying attention anymore.

I had a brief thought that Walscheid could have gotten a good position, which could - if the race had been included - have given me a few points.
Not that it would have helped me much...