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Giro d'Italia 2024 Giro d'Italia route rumours

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I've been neutral or mildly positive on occasion. IIRC I was actually very happy about the 2020 Giro route.

Yeah, that one generated generally positive reviews.

It would be nice if somebody did an analysis on the correlation between the perception of a route and the entertainment of the actual race. I will assume there is no correlation which makes all the bitching on reveal days all the more stupid.
 
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Fair enough but I don't think not knowing every road between Livigno and Val Gardena automatically makes you an idiot, though.
Which is why you don't criticise things you don't know enough about. The idiot part is not the not knowing, but the criticising anyway without looking anything up first, as well as the assumption that 'they could just have finished in [insert place within 40k of Stelvio] instead' that I'm also seeing get thrown around.
 
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Yeah, that one generated generally positive reviews.

It would be nice if somebody did an analysis on the correlation between the perception of a route and the entertainment of the actual race. I will assume there is no correlation which makes all the bitching on reveal days all the more stupid.
I will take credit for actually being hyped for Finestre 2018 opposed to the majority thinking Finestre was wasted and then I'll ignore just about everything else.
 
Which is why you don't criticise things you don't know enough about. The idiot part is not the not knowing, but the criticising anyway without looking anything up first, as well as the assumption that 'they could just have finished in [insert place within 40k of Stelvio] instead' that I'm also seeing get thrown around.

I must admit that my first reaction was that it seemed like they'd had a bet on how to implement the Stelvio in an as meaningless role as humanly possible. Thankfully, I didn't publicise that thought.
 
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Which is why you don't criticise things you don't know enough about. The idiot part is not the not knowing, but the criticising anyway without looking anything up first, as well as the assumption that 'they could just have finished in [insert place within 40k of Stelvio] instead' that I'm also seeing get thrown around.
A lot of people on twitter (also me sometimes in the forum ;)) always forget that routes take place on actual roads between places, and the organisers aren't just dreaming up stage profiles in their heads without geographical or financial considerations (ok I'm just telling you what you already know but I want to post)
 
Yeah, that one generated generally positive reviews.

It would be nice if somebody did an analysis on the correlation between the perception of a route and the entertainment of the actual race. I will assume there is no correlation which makes all the bitching on reveal days all the more stupid.

you can obviously get a good race on a bad route but the race could've always been even better with a good route (this years Tour is a great example, at least until Pogacar blew up)

being overly critical of the route is far better than being a little piggy willing to eat whatever slop is given to you
 
being overly critical of the route is far better than being a little piggy willing to eat whatever slop is given to you
Lol . Maybe if everyone with a forum account joins a protest on the streets of Milan we could get the organises to change the route and put in Gavia pass.

Otherwise it doesn't matter whether you critique the route or like it, you are just a guy typing words on a phone
 
Lol . Maybe if everyone with a forum account joins a protest on the streets of Milan we could get the organises to change the route and put in Gavia pass.

Otherwise it doesn't matter whether you critique the route or like it, you are just a guy typing words on a phone

i dont think anyone here is under the impression that they have any power wrt the route of the giro d'italia

this is a discussion forum about cycling. should we just shut it down then?
 
Which is why you don't criticise things you don't know enough about. The idiot part is not the not knowing, but the criticising anyway without looking anything up first, as well as the assumption that 'they could just have finished in [insert place within 40k of Stelvio] instead' that I'm also seeing get thrown around.
Start and finish locations are not handed down from above (certainly not the order of them, so Stelvio could have featured in the Livigno stage). While constrained, they certainly have options, and the better they plan, the more options they'll have.

And I still see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to go through the tunnel in the neutral start of the stage. They took that tunnel in the 1972 Giro.
 
Today on cycling fans are idiots: there are about 576 valid reasons to criticise this Giro route, but the criticism (especially away from this forum) focuses on using Stelvio early in the stage when that's the only way to get from Livigno to Val Gardena within a UCI-compliant distance. It's even dumber because what comes towards the end of the stage (especially using the wrong side of Pinei) is clearly the real problem with that stage.

'But they could have finished closer to Stelvio!' Yes, that's clearly how stage hosts work.
Also, Stelvio from Bormio is grossly overrated, it's a nice climb but not the beast that is the Stelvio from Prato, and also less historically relevant.
 
Start and finish locations are not handed down from above (certainly not the order of them, so Stelvio could have featured in the Livigno stage). While constrained, they certainly have options, and the better they plan, the more options they'll have.

And I still see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to go through the tunnel in the neutral start of the stage. They took that tunnel in the 1972 Giro.
How would that stage be better by going around Stelvio rather than over it? You would have about 5k of climbing before Pinei if you went through the tunnel and you don't really bring the distance down either.

Stelvio on the way to Livigno is not possible with these stage hosts. The only finish within 240k of Livigno is Val Gardena, and the only stage start within 240k other than the one used is also Val Gardena. And I don't think transfering from Livigno to Rome is possible either (not to mention the bad stage order that would cause). And it's not like the actual stage is bad in the first place.
 
How would that stage be better by going around Stelvio rather than over it? You would have about 5k of climbing before Pinei if you went through the tunnel and you don't really bring the distance down either.

Stelvio on the way to Livigno is not possible with these stage hosts. The only finish within 240k of Livigno is Val Gardena, and the only stage start within 240k other than the one used is also Val Gardena. And I don't think transfering from Livigno to Rome is possible either (not to mention the bad stage order that would cause). And it's not like the actual stage is bad in the first place.
Sure, you can argue that Stelvio is not in fact wasted, but don't call it a forced move when others complain about it.

Stages can be longer than 240 km.