Giro d'Italia 2024 Giro d'Italia route rumours

[EddyMazzoleni]

Very tough stage in Veneto - does that mean Zoncolan?

So now we have Folgaria/Passo Coe, Sappada, perhaps Monte Grappa and a very tough stage in Veneto? That would probably be most of the GC stages the last week.

A Grande Partenza in Torino. Does this mean no big mountain stages in the western Alps unless they return to Piemonte/Aosta in the third week?

MTF at Prati di Tivo is okay, but they certainly need much more in the Apennines if they aren't using the western Alps.

Zoncolan is not in Veneto, it 's in Friuli.
You could arrive to Folgaria from Veneto, but the finish would still be in Trentino, so i can't really figure out where this supposed stage in Veneto will be, as Monte Grappa is set for stage 20 (let's hope for something better than the 2017 stage and pray it's not an awful unipuerto) and Cortina appeard in the 2 of the last 3 years. Maybe something around Belluno style the stage of this year baby Giro?

 

[ChiefMasterPro]

I hope for the hard Monte Grappe side followed by the ascent to the Altopiano d'Asiago or the climb to the Monte Avena. That could be a banger. But that stage also might be fully in Veneto. Maybe some rumours are mixed up there? Otherwise that mountain stage in Veneto could indeed indicate to something around Belluno/Nevegal, or it might be a Fedaia-Pordoi combo, with most of the stage being in Veneto.

 

[OlavEH]

Zoncolan is not in Veneto, it 's in Friuli.

Of course. I acutally know that, but completely short circuit because someone else was mentioning Zoncolan above.

You could arrive to Folgaria from Veneto, but the finish would still be in Trentino, so i can't really figure out where this supposed stage in Veneto will be, as Monte Grappa is set for stage 20 (let's hope for something better than the 2017 stage and pray it's not an awful unipuerto) and Cortina appeard in the 2 of the last 3 years. Maybe something around Belluno style the stage of this year baby Giro?

Both this year and in 2021 and 2022 they have done mountain stages in the area north and east of Trento. All three versions have had MTFs in Trentino, which makes me think that the region was paying for these. And a new finish at Folgaria would be the same. Guess they will do something like Bondone, Bordala or Baldo first.

What about something in the high Dolomites for that Veneto stage? Several of the big climbs there are in Veneto. And other on the border to Trentino.

 

[OlavEH]

Right now the rumours unfortunately seems very MTF focused.

Prati di Tivo MTF, Folgaria or Passo Coe MTF, perhaps a Monte Grappa MTF?

No rumours on using Mortirolo or Finestre. Neither Stelvio, Gavia, Fedaia as the penultimate climb. Which in almost all cases are the best type of stages.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Right now the rumours unfortunately seems very MTF focused.

Prati di Tivo MTF, Folgaria or Passo Coe MTF, perhaps a Monte Grappa MTF?

No rumours on using Mortirolo or Finestre. Neither Stelvio, Gavia, Fedaia as the penultimate climb. Which in almost all cases are the best type of stages.

I love me some Mauro Vegni. Probably just decided to scrap all that high mountain shenanigans so he doesn't have to listen to everyone on Twitter.

What if it rains though???

 

[OlavEH]

I love me some Mauro Vegni. Probably just decided to scrap all that high mountain shenanigans so he doesn't have to listen to everyone on Twitter.

Still, Vegni has be in charge for over a decade, right? There have been a lot of these kind of stages until the 2020 version. Like the 2015 route which was great. I really wonder why they seem to shy away from these kind of stages the last years.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Both this year and in 2021 and 2022 they have done mountain stages in the area north and east of Trento. All three versions have had MTFs in Trentino, which makes me think that the region was paying for these. And a new finish at Folgaria would be the same. Guess they will do something like Bondone, Bordala or Baldo first.

What about something in the high Dolomites for that Veneto stage? Several of the big climbs there are in Veneto. And other on the border to Trentino.

I agree on the first part (but probably it's the province rather then the region, otherwise i would have expected at least one of the finishes to be in the province of Bolzano), the hypotesis i was making about Folgaria counting as Veneto was kind of a last resort to figure out what is going on.

Still, Vegni has be in charge for over a decade, right? There have been a lot of these kind of stages until the 2020 version. Like the 2015 route which was great. I really wonder why they seem to shy away from these kind of stages the last years.

2015 was good, but it did not have a lot of high mountain, i think the only climbs above 2000m were Cervinia, Sestriere and Finestre and 2 of those were just above 2k and were MTF. If we want high climbs far from the finish i think 2016 was really good.
As far as historic climbs goes, some people on italian formus are hoping (no actual rumors though) for Gavia, that was repaved last year, maybe in a combination, with Foscagno, that was rumored by the ammtypio guy, altough i did not understand what was is source for that one.

 

[zlev11]

Right now the rumours unfortunately seems very MTF focused.

Prati di Tivo MTF, Folgaria or Passo Coe MTF, perhaps a Monte Grappa MTF?

No rumours on using Mortirolo or Finestre. Neither Stelvio, Gavia, Fedaia as the penultimate climb. Which in almost all cases are the best type of stages.

couldn't the rumored Livigno stage have Stelvio like in 2005?

but yeah, I'm predicting a really bad, soulless route after what happened this year

 

[OlavEH]

2015 was good, but it did not have a lot of high mountain, i think the only climbs above 2000m were Cervinia, Sestriere and Finestre and 2 of those were just above 2k and were MTF. If we want high climbs far from the finish i think 2016 was really good.
As far as historic climbs goes, some people on italian formus are hoping (no actual rumors though) for Gavia, that was repaved last year, maybe in a combination, with Foscagno, that was rumored by the ammtypio guy, altough i did not understand what was is source for that one.

I think 2015 was better. Climbs like Finestre and Mortirolo are superor to anything else in cycling even though they aren't very high. Much rather those two than the Dolomite stage or the Agnello-Risoul stage in 2016 (the Bonette-Lombarde stage was better).

 

[OlavEH]

couldn't the rumored Livigno stage have Stelvio like in 2005?

but yeah, I'm predicting a really bad, soulless route after what happened this year

You're right. Livigno stage could be really good if they choose to design it that way. Gavia preceeded by Tonale (and more climbs) could be even better than just Stelvio.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

I think 2015 was better. Climbs like Finestre and Mortirolo are superor to anything else in cycling even though they aren't very high. Much rather those two than the Dolomite stage or the Agnello-Risoul stage in 2016 (the Bonette-Lombarde stage was better).

Oh yeah, i totally forgot 2015 had Mortirolo, the stage was actually good, but maybe my brain was trying to save me from the memory of the Aru pain faces and Trofimov coming 4th.
I too actually liked 2015 better, and i understand why Vegni and a lot of fans may prefer somewhat lower climbs, it saves a lot of headache, especially when Salvato and Hansen are around, but i still think it's a shame that a lot of 2000+ climbs in italy are used so rarely. The Gavia nord was 2014, and it was first climb of the day

 

[zlev11]

You're right. Livigno stage could be really good if they choose to design it that way. Gavia preceeded by Tonale (and more climbs) could be even better than just Stelvio.

yes I would love to see the Gavia, they need to make up for 2019 when it got cancelled.

 

[Escarabajo]

Can we do the Stelvio like in 2020 again?
That was a thing of beauty. Even with a weak field.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The article that mentions Sappada as stage 19 and potentially Grappa on stage 20 also mentions stage 18 potentially finishing in Canazei.
Fedaia, Sella or Pordoi downhill Finish?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The article that mentions Sappada as stage 19 and potentially Grappa on stage 20 also mentions stage 18 potentially finishing in Canazei.
Fedaia, Sella or Pordoi downhill Finish?

Most likely, Canazei is located in a beautiful valley with those 3 passes around. Fedaia (from its steep side) would probably be the best option then. They could also arrive from Val di Fassa (after tackling San Pellegrino or Costalunga) but it would probably cap GC action due to a ride in the valley at the end.

 

[houtdffan]

What the Giro needs is a balanced route with no backloading - It's not hard to have 6 sprinter stages, 6 High Mountain stages, one ITT and the other eight stages can be hilly or rolling.

1 ITT is not balanced

2 long ITT would create a balanced course, along with a prologue

 

[Mayomaniac]

Most likely, Canazei is located in a beautiful valley with those 3 passes around. Fedaia (from its steep side) would probably be the best option then. They could also arrive from Val di Fassa (after tackling San Pellegrino or Costalunga) but it would probably cap GC action due to a ride in the valley at the end.

Sella all the way from Waidbruck is also a proper Alpine climb with nearly 1,800m of altitude gain.
Most of the top of the Pordoi from the West is also still part of Canazei, so Fedaia-Pordoi or Sella-Pordoi are legit options.

 

[staubsauger]

The article that mentions Sappada as stage 19 and potentially Grappa on stage 20 also mentions stage 18 potentially finishing in Canazei.
Fedaia, Sella or Pordoi downhill Finish?

3 Dolomites stages like @ the 2008 Giro d'Italia?

 

[Mayomaniac]

3 Dolomites stages like @ the 2008 Giro d'Italia?

Well, only Canazei is in the Dolomites, maybe also the Trentino stage. Sappada and Monte Grappa are not part of the Dolomites.

 

[staubsauger]

Well, only Canazei is in the Dolomites, maybe also the Trentino stage. Sappada and Monte Grappa are not part of the Dolomites.

Monte Grappa isn't in the Dolomites!?

So it's a German thing to include it? Like we make the Iran-Iraq war the 1st Gulf War?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Mauro just doesn't give a s**t: "oh, the riders are striking bad weather, long stages and too many Passos? Here, I just double it."

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Monte Grappa isn't in the Dolomites!?

So it's a German thing to include it? Like we make the Iran-Iraq war the 1st Gulf War?

I guess that it depends who you ask, some classification use Piave as the east limit, so Grappa should be in, but i guess very few italian people think of the Grappa if you tell them the word Dolomites.

 

[staubsauger]

I guess that it depends who you ask, some classification use Piave as the east limit, so Grappa should be in, but i guess very few italian people think of the Grappa if you tell them the word Dolomites.

Looks indeed as if it's German thing.

 

[Red Rick]

Grappa is just like, Italian Ventoux man you can't change my mind.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looks indeed as if it's German thing.

At least to me everything South of the Belluno-Feltre Line counts as Prealpi/Alpenvorland.