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Contador has now been placed at s.t., same for the other riders who finished around him, Alaphilippe is still listed at 2'19" though...
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It's apparently official. Ridiculous, he was inside the bunch when he stopped.LaFlorecita said:
WheelofGear said:
We may as well get rid of sprinters now with immediate effect - Maybe we have to change cycling to suit your peculiar tastes.
I wouldn't mind that.yaco said:
Sprinters should be forced to be in at least 3 breaks a year if they want to race.
Hello Dolly is correct with their post - Too much fantasy when discussing parcours - Catalunya parcours had no influence on the race considering the dominance of Valverde - Sprinters will get over tomorrows climb - For example the first three from todays stage will skip over the climb.
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Yes Valverde likely would have won anyway but we'd have had a more interesting race if the riders had been closer together and there had been more opportunities to take back time. You don't get an exciting race when riders are minutes behind with a parcours on which only seconds can be gained. I don't understand why that causes so much controversy among some posters here.yaco said:
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The problem is the use, or misuse, of the available terrain. País Vasco offers far more scope for interesting racing than the designers have given us in this year's race, and also part of País Vasco's identity is the fact that the terrain makes it so much harder to pigeonhole as "just like any other week long race". Which is why there was disappointment about this course.
Maybe, while we're on the topic of generalizing massively to score a misleading point, it's that you just like to bag on the people who criticize parcours without actually taking on board what they're disappointed about, rather like Bavarianrider's complaints about people being negative about the Big Bear Lake stages in California a few years ago.
And just the same, people will come in and pretend that the only complaints about parcours are because the race isn't mountain after mountain start to finish. Believe it or not, I have praised the parcours of the Eneco Tour the last couple of years. And a lot of the disappointment people display about parcours is to do with the spamming of mountain stages with little real value to the use of them, as in the Unipuerto Murito designs in the Vuelta in recent years.HelloDolly said:
The problem is the use, or misuse, of the available terrain. País Vasco offers far more scope for interesting racing than the designers have given us in this year's race, and also part of País Vasco's identity is the fact that the terrain makes it so much harder to pigeonhole as "just like any other week long race". Which is why there was disappointment about this course.
Maybe, while we're on the topic of generalizing massively to score a misleading point, it's that you just like to bag on the people who criticize parcours without actually taking on board what they're disappointed about, rather like Bavarianrider's complaints about people being negative about the Big Bear Lake stages in California a few years ago.
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I am not scoring any points ... who would I be scoring points against ??
I am just fed up with all the moaning about what turn out to be very good and different parcours
And if you donlt believe that there is unnecessary maoning look at the start of each races thread
As for why people moan I care little only that it is unnecessary and a pain ...especially when the races turn out to be fine
It seems the first thing most posters do is ...complain about evcery parcours
I am just fed up with all the moaning about what turn out to be very good and different parcours
And if you donlt believe that there is unnecessary maoning look at the start of each races thread
As for why people moan I care little only that it is unnecessary and a pain ...especially when the races turn out to be fine
It seems the first thing most posters do is ...complain about evcery parcours
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So they are actually giving Alaphilippe this time loss?
Then I guess in the future in such circumstances, one needs to just sit up suspiciously and fake a crash when at the back of the peloton. Or maybe make it look like the accident hadn't occurred when alone in the front. Utterly ridiculous.
Then I guess in the future in such circumstances, one needs to just sit up suspiciously and fake a crash when at the back of the peloton. Or maybe make it look like the accident hadn't occurred when alone in the front. Utterly ridiculous.
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Sooo Alaphilippe would have won the stage and they don't even give him s.t. when he punctures... total bs.
We must also take into account that in some stage races you actually pay for starts and finishes - Some routes may be inaccessible because of incomplete roads, unavailablity of passes etc - Some potential finishes don't have the infrastructure to support the caravan of the race - Life's not as simple as some want you to believe.
I guess Yates must have crashed as he has delayed finish with same time like contador, strange about Alaphillippe, though he could have swapped bike with a teammate, is it because the puncture happened outside the 3k and he rode on.
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No, it is because you get the same time as the riders you're with at the moment the accident occurs. And he was alone when the accident occurred. So he gets his own time. Quite a flaw in the rulebook.
At least I don't think it was because he punctured before the 3 kilometer mark. It would certainly be allowed for him to continue past the 3 km mark if that happened inside the peloton (but it would of course be impossible to prove that the accident happened before) so I think that would be the case in this situation as well.
del1962 said:
No, it is because you get the same time as the riders you're with at the moment the accident occurs. And he was alone when the accident occurred. So he gets his own time. Quite a flaw in the rulebook.
At least I don't think it was because he punctured before the 3 kilometer mark. It would certainly be allowed for him to continue past the 3 km mark if that happened inside the peloton (but it would of course be impossible to prove that the accident happened before) so I think that would be the case in this situation as well.
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Ridicolous...
Had more or less won the stage if not for the puncture, that should be punishment enough. I guess they are interpreting the rules super literally since he technically punctured before the 3 km marker. I thought the Basques were better than that.
So I heard Contador crashed again. Whats the count this year?
Had more or less won the stage if not for the puncture, that should be punishment enough. I guess they are interpreting the rules super literally since he technically punctured before the 3 km marker. I thought the Basques were better than that.
So I heard Contador crashed again. Whats the count this year?
The decision of the race organization about Alaphilippe is ridiculous. Very sad for him, since he also attacked and was leading the race 
The problem is the use, or misuse, of the available terrain. País Vasco offers far more scope for interesting racing than the designers have given us in this year's race, and also part of País Vasco's identity is the fact that the terrain makes it so much harder to pigeonhole as "just like any other week long race". Which is why there was disappointment about this course.
Maybe, while we're on the topic of generalizing massively to score a misleading point, it's that you just like to bag on the people who criticize parcours without actually taking on board what they're disappointed about, rather like Bavarianrider's complaints about people being negative about the Big Bear Lake stages in California a few years ago.[/quote]
This. There were really a lot of better options for San Sebastian and Bilbao stages. Igeldo or Bordako Tontorra could have been used in San Sebastian stage. Also the Bilbao stage could have had Urruztimendi:
Before the double Vivero and Monteabril like LS did in the Race Design Thread.
And just the same, people will come in and pretend that the only complaints about parcours are because the race isn't mountain after mountain start to finish. Believe it or not, I have praised the parcours of the Eneco Tour the last couple of years. And a lot of the disappointment people display about parcours is to do with the spamming of mountain stages with little real value to the use of them, as in the Unipuerto Murito designs in the Vuelta in recent years.Libertine Seguros said:
The problem is the use, or misuse, of the available terrain. País Vasco offers far more scope for interesting racing than the designers have given us in this year's race, and also part of País Vasco's identity is the fact that the terrain makes it so much harder to pigeonhole as "just like any other week long race". Which is why there was disappointment about this course.
Maybe, while we're on the topic of generalizing massively to score a misleading point, it's that you just like to bag on the people who criticize parcours without actually taking on board what they're disappointed about, rather like Bavarianrider's complaints about people being negative about the Big Bear Lake stages in California a few years ago.[/quote]
This. There were really a lot of better options for San Sebastian and Bilbao stages. Igeldo or Bordako Tontorra could have been used in San Sebastian stage. Also the Bilbao stage could have had Urruztimendi:
Before the double Vivero and Monteabril like LS did in the Race Design Thread.
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Not sure Alaphillippe would have won, but it's really a shame that he is apparently out of the GC, for now...
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