86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

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I think it’s worth reflecting about that there are several factors that can make a descent dangerous. Tricky corners is one. Extreme speed is another.

This downhill seems easy but it result in extreme speed and that can make corners not looking to tricky extremely dangerous as well.
 
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Good to hear Mäder condition is stable. It sounds like he came apon the vehicles helping Sheffield and crashed avoiding them. However, hope he's out of hospital soon.

Edit - from the blick website, with google translate, "As Tour de Suisse doctor Roland Kretsch tells Blick, Mäder was flown by Rega to the Centre for Psychotraumatology in St. Gallen. Mäder had never been conscious, he had found him without a pulse. He was then resuscitated for 25 minutes. Successful. "He has come back to life, the cardiac arrest has been remedied," says Kretsch."

Going from that, it seems Mäder was technically dead when they found him - no pulse. No one has apparently come forward who saw the crash happen. Tragic news.
 
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I mean stable doesn't really mean anything here. Looks like they still don't really know. Good that his dad is with him tho. But reanimation for 25 minutes straight before he "came back to life" sounds really bad.

Descent definitely wasn't dangerous. Obviously it's always dangerous when riders go this fast, but I honestly think Mader was just incredibly unlucky. Sheffield for example is somewhat fine, probably because he didn't land on the one spot with some rocks.
 
Stable does not necessarily mean good news. I hope he can ride his bike again, or at least lead a relatively normal life if not. I remember that a while ago, during a GT I think, he was riding to support climate change action. It touched me.

Get through this, Gino.

Edit: 25 minutes of reanimation, no regaining consciousness since - that's very worrying.
 
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Report on blick.ch says that Mäder is on intenisve care and stable. His father is there and the team says they're waiting for the doctors to coummunicate the extent of his injuries.
TdS talked with the family about cancelling the stage but decided against.
this article?


it's not what it says. It says that he yesterday was reported to be stable (by one single, unconfirmed source), and that there's been no update since.

It took them 25 minutes to get him back to life, and he is in intensive care. Since then, his status in unchanged, and he is still unconscious.

Edit: seems like it has been edited since your post. Unfortunately it doesn't sound any positive now.
 
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this article?


it's not what it says. It says that he yesterday was reported to be stable (by one single, unconfirmed source), and that there's been no update since.

It took them 25 minutes to get him back to life, and he is in intensive care. Since then, his status in unchanged, and he is still unconscious.
Yeah, they added some information after I posted.
 
Why would it? Portet d'Aspet didn't disappear after Casartelli passed away and neither did Passo del Bocco when Weylandt met his end there. I don't think we'll never see a descent finish into La Punt again, much less that descent finishes are going to suddenly disappear after today.

Completely different time. Nowadays we get multiple essays and/or strikes and altered routes anytime it rains during a race (forgive the hyperbole) so I think its quite likely this horrible incident will change the races in some shape or form.
 
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I dunno. Like Sheffield went off at the same corner and there's a chance the presence of vehicles put Mader off so that would mean this descent and the fight at the front is the reason here.

It's all a series of unfortunate events that lead to this tragic outcome, we can never be sure it was because of gc fight or something. As someone have said previous instances have happened when there was nothing on line, and while a descend in the end of the stage leads to more risks being taken to a placement, it also means that the riders are more spread out which is better than something happening when they are bunched up in a 80+ rider group, where an unfortunate crash can easily mean than a couple more go down as well.


About Mäder, is sickening what happened. A guy on the prime of his life, riding is home grand tour, with so many goals and dreams lined up in his future. Don't know what to say.
 
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Have either descents been used in a place where the race was on?

This was the exact finish from the 2013 stage Rui Costa won. I didn't look it up but Portet d'Aspet is unlikelier to have been used as a final descent for the fact that the bigger stage finish towns are a further climb away or just further away.

It's dozens of races every year, hundreds of riders going at it. This could easily have happened anywhere else. The best that can be done is identifying dangerous spots and implementing some sort of protection. This is no Crostis descent, which was indeed ridiculous. This is a regular alpine road. Nothing to stop this from happening on a Telegraphe or Peyresourde descent finish, which nobody would blink at.

The sport is indeed cruel. But in our hearts, we know they risk it all for us sometimes, and that is a big part of why we watch. RIP Gino, nobody deserves to die so young. :(
 
Please continue the discussion here


EDIT: I mean about the sad news. You may continue the discussion about descents here if you really want.
 
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The descent wasn't dangerous, it was a accident, unfortunately it happens.
RIP Mader.
Descents are a part of cycling, and should remain. But that doesn't mean the organizers and UCI can't make an effort on making such descents more safe. That if you are willing to take a risk in a corner, you are still alive. So the focus is mostly on skill, and not on who dares the most.