A pair of David Walsh interviews - Clinic Edition

[The Hitch]

The point which was made in the interview regarding the comments Wiggo made about Landis:

"Wiggins, who could have stayed clear of the debate, chose instead to run with the mob that attacked Landis, questioning the former Postal rider’s mental state and suggesting that only a crazed man would say the things Landis was saying. For someone watching from a distance, the obvious question was why would Wiggins, who most people considered clean, defend a cheat such as Armstrong?

He is embarrassed by the memory but attempts to explain how it happened that he too tried to discredit Landis."

In other words Walsh thinks Wiggo could/should have said nothing and Wiggo is embarrassed by what he said.

After a couple of more paragraphs of an admittedly feeble attempt for justification.

“Then you get asked about Floyd and feel like you’re in a gang and you say what everyone in the gang is saying. You become part of that, because it’s easier. A lot of people look really stupid now, as do some of the comments I made.”

Personally, I am glad that Wiggo has admitted that he said some idiotic things in the past.

Time to move on...

Gangs? How many riders went after Landis as viciously as wiggins?

 

[The Hitch]

Not doping because of his kids is a powerful point. I've seen him calmly talk about this at length several times. It's much further than Armstrong ever went, so you'd have to contend Wiggins is a bigger and more psychopathic liar than Armstrong. Does that really sell?
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Armstrong's argument that he wouldnt dope because he didn't want to die, is 10, times more powerful than Wiggins argument that he wouldn't dope becsuse he's scared of getting caught. No **** Sherlock you don't want to get caught. How many dopers in history did?

 

[mattghg]

Gangs? How many riders went after Landis as viciously as wiggins?

I think his point is that he said publicly what a lot of people were saying privately.

He was an ar$e for doing so, as I think is obvious from the interview.

 

[WinterRider]

JV came here and explicitly confirmed Wiggins KNEW the whole story and was knowingly talking BS in that interview.

But given Vaughters' known predisposition for not talking about the subject directly, is it possible that Wiggins misconstrued the talk about hot sauce as simple cooking recipes for success in the Tour?

 

[mattghg]

For those looking to David Walsh to out Sky or give them the clean seal of approval, it aint gonna happen.

Sunday Times are not going to print anything that is not solid fact. So will they print another type of 'Emma O'Reilly' story about Sky? No they wont.

Well no because there isn't one:

I've spent about three weeks with Team Sky this year so far, and everything I've seen about them indicates that they're clean. I'ts not proof that they're clean, and I'm not saying that they're clean, but nobody has come up with any evidence that they're doping, nothing.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The best bits will be the David Walsh embedded exclusives behind the Sunday Times paywall that hardly anyone actually reads but everyone analyses to death.

You seem to underestimate some well respected people here who make things accessable for the ones not able to buy the Sunday Times.

Grazie mille for that to the one who make this possible.

 

[thehog]

They must stop saying Walsh is "embedded".

He's been to Tenerife twice for a total of 3 weeks since January.

Hardly embedded.

More like "vacation".

 

[thehog]

I don't think you're arguing in good faith here, so I'll leave it. Take care.

You mean I showed you were FoS?

 

[keithmcmahon]

You seem to underestimate some well respected people here who make things accessable for the ones not able to buy the Sunday Times.

Grazie mille for that to the one who make this possible.

Great news.

I find it makes for an even better debate if people actually read beforehand what they are debating about.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Of course it matters that Wiggins was part of the omertà in 2011, because he wasn't in 2007. What changed in between?

That would be the million dollar question, or the 2 million pounds a year.

Enigma Brad, or, not really an enigma.

$$$$$

 

[thehog]

That would be the million dollar question, or the 2 million pounds a year.

Enigma Brad, or, not really an enigma.

$$$$$

Just a kid from Kilburn.

 

[keithmcmahon]

Someone has put a copy of the full interview on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/138339424/the-Sunday-Times-Walsh-interview-with-Wiggins

 

[kingjr]

I find it strange that instead of saying ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it on PED's'' he says ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it and later test positive''.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

I find it strange that instead of saying ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it on PED's'' he says ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it and later test positive''.

Very telling - and he cannot claim "to not be a native English-speaker"....

 

[Navigator]

Armstrong's argument that he wouldnt dope because he didn't want to die, is 10, times more powerful than Wiggins argument that he wouldn't dope becsuse he's scared of getting caught. No **** Sherlock you don't want to get caught. How many dopers in history did?

I don't think so. It was the obvious thing for Armstrong to say, and he always said it in a hurry. Wiggins has been much more personal in his style.

 

[Navigator]

I find it strange that instead of saying ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it on PED's'' he says ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it and later test positive''.

Am I missing something?

 

[taiwan]

Someone has put a copy of the full interview on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/138339424/the-Sunday-Times-Walsh-interview-with-Wiggins

Have you 12 w@nkers been lying to Wiggins' kids ? How could you?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I find it strange that instead of saying ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it on PED's'' he says ''I would rather not have won the Tour at all than win it and later test positive''.

Like Lance you mean? Lance is the very definition of cheats never prosper.

But then Indurain isn't.

Perhaps that is why he mentioned Jimmy Saville?

 

[Benotti69]

Well no because there isn't one:

There are a few, Yates, Jullich, Leinders, Barry et al.

But they are gold golden handshakes and signed cofidentiality clauses.

Walsh has not been talking to the right people yet. But then again he interviewed a 21 year old Armstrong and liked him back then, so he likes Sky now, a good sign

 

[Benotti69]

Like Lance you mean? Lance is the very definition of cheats never prosper.

But then Indurain isn't.

Perhaps that is why he mentioned Jimmy Saville?

Boonen and Valverde are 2 guys in the peloton with Ferarri's

 

[kingjr]

Like Lance you mean? Lance is the very definition of cheats never prosper.

But then Indurain isn't.

Perhaps that is why he mentioned Jimmy Saville?

I wasn't thinking about Lance at all.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I wasn't thinking about Lance at all.

Everyone thinks about Lance, there's no shame in it

I thought about him five minutes ago at least, the damn swine

 

[mattghg]

For those looking to David Walsh to out Sky or give them the clean seal of approval, it aint gonna happen.

Walsh has not been talking to the right people yet. But then again he interviewed a 21 year old Armstrong and liked him back then, so he likes Sky now, a good sign

Which is it, Benotti?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Which is it, Benotti?

Walsh also liked/likes Roche.

Yet he had no problems outing him as a Conconi client.

Them Irish.

Be Patient Matt.

Allmost every doper gets caught thanks to the UCI.

 

[diorgen]

Not doping because of his kids is a powerful point. I've seen him calmly talk about this at length several times. It's much further than Armstrong ever went, so you'd have to contend Wiggins is a bigger and more psychopathic liar than Armstrong. Does that really sell?

Absolutely yes