horsinabout said:
Well thank you for the forensics, I see your point, perhaps we are singing from the same hymn sheet in reality.
Possible, though the conclusions are polar opposites at the moment.
I have plenty of interest in identifying the presence of doping at the elite level. In addition to my involvement, I have 2 sons on the path to the elite level, the eldest of those for track.
There is no way I want him exposed to a culture of doping in order to succeed, so I am always observing to identify things that look funny. Amongst the current elite and development programs I have observed, I am comfortable that my son will be able to ride clean if he does make the step to elite track level.
I didn't say I had current involvement in cycling, another assumption on your part...
but I disagree that there is no evidence. As there is evidence of doping in elite sport.
Well you said it was a wrong assumption that you don't have involvement in the sport. So which is it as both can't be true? You either have experience with the current elite track program, or you don't.
However that distraction aside, of course there is evidence of doping in elite sport. Not only that, but there is clear evidence of widespread doping in elite sport. Just look at pro road cycling for that. Puerto, Padua, Australian Government review, current ASADA investigation and on and on and on.
But in none of that has there been a strong link to any track cyclists. If you want to take the discussion to all elite sport, then there's no argument.
Although the original question in this thread related to doping in UK cycling, which still is open to a lot of different interpretations.
As you claim my sceptism is an hypothesis and you are pressing little old me to give you the proof you require for GB elite cycling,
No, not correct. My discussion has been only in relation to track cycling, not all disciplines.
I know very little about CX, downhill or bmx and my suspicions in relation to road cycling are different to track.
So the onus is for you to dsiprove my sceptism,
BS. I have no interest whatsoever in disproving your scepticism. You are as entitled to your view as anyone else.
But you came out in your first post and said it was true that my view is totally wrong.
Asked for proof, you couldn't provide any. Plain and simple.
So either provide evidence of your claim that I am totally wrong about elite track cycling, or don't. It is clear so far that you can't and your original claim has no factual basis to conclude it is correct.