ADD ( Anti Doping Denmark) report..

[Benotti69]

Sastre rode for some pretty unscrupulous DS's, Saiz, Riis and Gianetti. While he may not have gone 64% he was a consistent highly performing GT GC contender in a time of rampant blood doping. That is enough, IMO, to point to a guy who was doping, but like others kept his business to himself and made no enemies. But definitely not clean.

 

[Danskebjerge]

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I bet Nicki says something along the lines of 'I doped but then stopped and became a better cyclist clean'

Lol

 

[Kender]

Sastre winning in 2008 prompted a certain someone out of retirement. So maybe it was fairly well known that Sastre wasnt on the high octane

 

[Tonton]

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Sastre winning in 2008 prompted a certain someone out of retirement. So maybe it was fairly well known that Sastre wasnt on the high octane

You may be up to something here. Someone may have realized that he could bring his gun to a knife fight and make it 8.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Sastre winning in 2008 prompted a certain someone out of retirement. So maybe it was fairly well known that Sastre wasnt on the high octane

You may be up to something here. Someone may have realized that he could bring his gun to a knife fight and make it 8.

He bought an Armstrong knife to a Contador fight and got pwnd instead.

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't see Sastre being clean. Even if is not EPO or blood transfusions. Recuperation meds such as HGH would be bad enough anyway for a GT where recovery is paramount.

 

[Archibald]

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Love how cyclingnews have included a picture of the clean Jensie next to Uncle 60%.

Such a terrific photo.

Stuey Mate's head just behind Uncle 60%'s left shoulder...
Yeah, only tried it once back in '98

 

[Archibald]

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Sastre rode for some pretty unscrupulous DS's, Saiz, Riis and Gianetti. While he may not have gone 64% he was a consistent highly performing GT GC contender in a time of rampant blood doping. That is enough, IMO, to point to a guy who was doping, but like others kept his business to himself and made no enemies. But definitely not clean.

makes me think of Evans...

 

[TheSpud]

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true.

well, we can now say "We know Sastre worked with Riis at one point, at least"

jokes aside, you're right of course, Sastre is an interesting case and has done remarkably well to keep his name out of the gossips.

What makes Sastre so puzzling, IMO, is that we largely know who was taking care of the doping at his teams, and yet his name has never popped up anywhere. He wasn't in Puerto as far as we know, which would be a likely way to get caught for a CSC rider (after being paged to Fuentes by Cecchini or Riis; but he's never been linked to Cecchini either).

About the only high-profile name I can think of is Terrados, who was ONCE's doctor when Sastre turned pro with them in 1998. But as far as I know, there's never been any indication that Terrados freelanced later on.

Sastre strikes me as the kind of guy who would stick to the logistical minimum* (EPO/blood bags, testosterone, and little else), going by previous experience of what he felt worked for him rather than by whatever the latest doping theories said. If that's the case, perhaps he didn't need to have a doping doctor after literal time-wide doping became a thing of the past. But still, that would work for EPO, but presumably not for transfusions. It's hard to imagine the Carlos Sastre from Overcoming dealing with anything more complicated than a syringe or some pills.

*Just to be clear, I don't mean he'd necessarily be getting only a minor boost, just that he'd want to keep things simple.

great post, cheers. agreed on all accounts.
the fact that he won in 08, following Fuentes' exposure in 07, also suggests he wasn't related to, or at least not dependent on, that network.

DearWiggo posted a graph of Sorensen's results dropping in 2008 suggesting it was due to the introduction of the BP. Another reason may have been the fact that Fuentes' business was exposed leaving several of his clients (Nicki?) without the regular blood supply. Not Sastre though.

Puerto was 06 though wasnt it?

 

[sniper]

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Puerto was 06 though wasnt it?

the case started in May 2006, true, but extended well into 2007 and iinm some riders/teams only got implicated in the course of 2007.
but yeah, maybe there's no correlation.

 

[elduggo]

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Love how cyclingnews have included a picture of the clean Jensie next to Uncle 60%.

Such a terrific photo.

Stuey Mate's head just behind Uncle 60%'s left shoulder...
Yeah, only tried it once back in '98

https://twitter.com/StueyOG/status/613592680719740928

I would have thought that not doping was an achievement. But then Stuey wouldn't know much about that now would he!

 

[SeriousSam]

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Sastre rode for some pretty unscrupulous DS's, Saiz, Riis and Gianetti. While he may not have gone 64% he was a consistent highly performing GT GC contender in a time of rampant blood doping. That is enough, IMO, to point to a guy who was doping, but like others kept his business to himself and made no enemies. But definitely not clean.

makes me think of Evans...

The way I see it, the chance Evans was clean is less than the chance Sastre was clean.

It's not easy to find a GT winner more likely to be clean than Sastre. Of course, Sastre is not likely to be clean.

 

[mrhender]

Jens Voigt:

Riis should have stopped the doping earlier..

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/tidligere-tour-stjerne-riis-skulle-have-stoppet-dopingen/5621616

German Jens Voigt, who for seven years ran under Riis, believes that the Dane may well come back and work with young riders if he mind you formulate a sharp strategy.

He was loyal, he 2004-2010 drove for Team CSC and Jens Voigt does not today hide the fact that he has sympathy for Bjarne Riis, and believe that he should have a chance.

But the 43-year-old German also recognizes that the new revelations make it more difficult for the Dane to work with young people since Ekstra Bladet catch him on the phone.

- What do you say to the news that Bjarne Riis was aware that there was used doping on his team?

- That he should have stopped it earlier. It would have been good for everyone.

- Does it come back at you?

- He never mentioned it to me - not even so much as a hint. I did not know that it happened on the team.

- Change the way you look at Riis as a person and as a leader?

- I have been very happy to drive for Bjarne. I drove seven years for him and could really like it, because he helped me become a better rider.

- First he admitted doping as a rider and now as a team owner. Can a man like Bjarne Riis still be looking for young riders do you think?

- It's a tough question, corresponding Jens Voigt and holding a small period of reflection:

- You can say that he has learned his lesson and now work for a better cycling. So yes, I still think he can help young riders, for he knows the sport and all its works both from a rider and a manager's perspective. He MAY help the sport, says Voigt so.

- But one should not at some point draw a line in the sand and say that some people are so flawed that they should not have with young, impressionable people to do?

- I do not know. Each case is different. It is not easy to generalize. And 1998 is so long ago. How long will you punish them? They have not committed murder or robbery or other serious crimes?

- I think we should be able to forgive people. They have already punished so hard on their reputation. And if you punish people very brutal, so close the other perhaps completely, and then things change not.

- But surely it is fair to ask those kinds of questions?

- Well, the question is fair enough. But give now Bjarne time to think things over. Perhaps he reflects a lot in this time.

But if he decides to come back as manager, so it is necessary that he is very sharp around what is his new strategy and approach to the sport, said Jens Voigt, who will soon be on the way to the Tour de France as a commentator for the US television network NBC.

He says also that he end of the year will publish an autobiography. He denies, however, that in any way contain explosive relative to the doping problem.

 

[SeriousSam]

Riis clearly attempted to help clean riders like clean Jens with their clean careers, so we should not judge his failure to stop the few instances of isolated doping within CSC too harshly.

 

[markene2]

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Jens Voigt:

-snip-

Oh lord, this sport truly is a cesspool.. ADD trying to silence Rasmussen when telling the whole truth, thus making sure now that he sits again with gaining nothing and is subsequently blacklisted from the sport forever, while the Garmin dopers get a 6 month sentece in the off season and can continue on as normal for telling the media narrative of doping.

All the CSC doping was just outside of the SOL, so no one can be punished or banned. Sky reciving protection from TUES no bans and can race with them, Astana keeps the license after 2 doping positives at their team, and is ripping up the field harder then ever (This is comming from an Astana fan from the start).

And the UCI using eastern europeans as cannon fodder in the fight against doping, promoting a clean Anglo Saxon sporting culture to gain more sponsorship money and opening up new markets. Bruyneel, Mcquaid and Millar at the Wiggins event leads to no questions in the media. UCI still covering up positives and enforcing silent bans in a few cases.

I dont think this sport will ever recover, i might as well enjoy it as it is..

 

[sniper]

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Jens Voigt:

-snip-

Oh lord, this sport truly is a cesspool.. ADD trying to silence Rasmussen when telling the whole truth, thus making sure now that he sits again with gaining nothing and is subsequently blacklisted from the sport forever, while the Garmin dopers get a 6 month sentece in the off season and can continue on as normal for telling the media narrative of doping.

All the CSC doping was just outside of the SOL, so no one can be punished or banned. Sky reciving protection from TUES no bans and can race with them, Astana keeps the license after 2 doping positives at their team, and is ripping up the field harder then ever (This is comming from an Astana fan from the start).

And the UCI using eastern europeans as cannon fodder in the fight against doping, promoting a clean Anglo Saxon sporting culture to gain more sponsorship money and opening up new markets. Bruyneel, Mcquaid and Millar at the Wiggins event leads to no questions in the media. UCI still covering up positives and enforcing silent bans in a few cases.

I dont think this sport will ever recover, i might as well enjoy it as it is..

really good post.

 

[blackcat]

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Sastre winning in 2008 prompted a certain someone out of retirement. So maybe it was fairly well known that Sastre wasnt on the high octane

You may be up to something here. Someone may have realized that he could bring his gun to a knife fight and make it 8.

He bought an Armstrong knife to a Contador fight and got pwnd instead.

some blackcat level wildean drollery in these posts, chapeau

 

[roundabout]

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Sastre rode for some pretty unscrupulous DS's, Saiz, Riis and Gianetti. While he may not have gone 64% he was a consistent highly performing GT GC contender in a time of rampant blood doping. That is enough, IMO, to point to a guy who was doping, but like others kept his business to himself and made no enemies. But definitely not clean.

makes me think of Evans...

The way I see it, the chance Evans was clean is less than the chance Sastre was clean.

It's not easy to find a GT winner more likely to be clean than Sastre. Of course, Sastre is not likely to be clean.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/giro99/stage22.html

CTRL+F Sastre.

 

[Labomba]

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Jens Voigt:

-snip-

Oh lord, this sport truly is a cesspool.. ADD trying to silence Rasmussen when telling the whole truth, thus making sure now that he sits again with gaining nothing and is subsequently blacklisted from the sport forever, while the Garmin dopers get a 6 month sentece in the off season and can continue on as normal for telling the media narrative of doping.

All the CSC doping was just outside of the SOL, so no one can be punished or banned. Sky reciving protection from TUES no bans and can race with them, Astana keeps the license after 2 doping positives at their team, and is ripping up the field harder then ever (This is comming from an Astana fan from the start).

And the UCI using eastern europeans as cannon fodder in the fight against doping, promoting a clean Anglo Saxon sporting culture to gain more sponsorship money and opening up new markets. Bruyneel, Mcquaid and Millar at the Wiggins event leads to no questions in the media. UCI still covering up positives and enforcing silent bans in a few cases.

I dont think this sport will ever recover, i might as well enjoy it as it is..

really good post.

"It is Riis u should feel sorry for not Rasmussen, Riis was so scared when the big bad Hamilton doped:

"Han mener, at hans egen reaktion på Hamiltons oplysning var, at han ikke sagde så meget til det, men at han var chokeret og blev bange." ADD Report

"According to Riis his reaction to Hamiltons information (about blod doping) ....was, that he did not say a lot (to H) about it, but that he was shocked and he was SCARED....."

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Jensie said (gtranslate)

And 1998 is so long ago. How long will you punish them? They did not commit murder or robbery or other serious crimes?

Robbery it was of a kind: robbing from types like Bassons.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Voigt really is a clown.
At 43 you would expect some responsibility, but no. Nothing. Zero. Nada.

 

[sniper]

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Jensie said (gtranslate)

And 1998 is so long ago. How long will you punish them? They did not commit murder or robbery or other serious crimes?

Robbery it was of a kind: robbing from types like Bassons.

excellent spot.
sums it up: they don't think it's robbery. just part of being a pro.

 

[glassmoon]

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Jensie said (gtranslate)

And 1998 is so long ago. How long will you punish them? They did not commit murder or robbery or other serious crimes?

Robbery it was of a kind: robbing from types like Bassons.

If I was a clean pro, I would personally fly over to where Jens is living and beat that sh*t thinking out of his head after such assertion.

 

[Anaconda]

Jens was a pro 1997-2014, retired with good but not amazing results. He might have been one of the biggest winners of his time had he not been up against so much cheating. Wow, what an amazing man to retire and not be bitter about any of it. Such an exemplary example to us all

 

[No_Balls]

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Jensie said (gtranslate)

And 1998 is so long ago. How long will you punish them? They did not commit murder or robbery or other serious crimes?

Robbery it was of a kind: robbing from types like Bassons.

If I was a clean pro, I would personally fly over to where Jens is living and beat that sh*t thinking out of his head after such assertion.

Oddly enough these mythical clean pro's would never do that -nothing down the line of joining as one man demanding a fair sport. They would at best insinuate in a way you have to be creative to have it been doping-related even after the sport makes a mockery of itself again and again.

I dont say there arent clean pros but lets just say these lot havent worked their ass off for a fair sport either.