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[krebs303]

Yes, yes, but what are the four tips? One needs to know, just in case.....

I refuse to click the links but will make my Sig a direct link. no clicks for outbrain.

Enjoy your trip

 

[Amsterhammer]

Thank you, Krebs and Boomcie.

 

[patricknd]

thanks, now i'm ready to travel.

 

[Deagol]

I am not a computer guy but I went into Google Chrome and figured out how to add the "outbrain" site to the Chrome Adblock Plus filter under the "add your own filters". It seems to only block those ones, and I was quite pleased with that.

But, I have to use IE at work and those #$$%^^& adds will still be there at work. If there is a mass exodus of posters from the CN forum to a new one, I will join. I hope that this doesn't need to happen, but if the powers that be don't respond, I can understand why it would happen. I would then hope that posters would keep their same "handle" at whatever new site is chosen as they use here..

 

[Anonymous]

I also think from a financial point of view more ads is productive.. they just overpower the content.. on the demo forum done yesterday there are three ads, that is more than enough. There is always one visible, but they dont overpower. And on this machine at least they are all relevant (ive got a bc one, a evans one and a halfords one showing here).

Having more adverts does not mean more revenue. One well placed ad can make a lot more money than three badly placed ones..

 

[doolols]

on the demo forum done yesterday there are three ads

Funny - I don't see any Maybe my ad blocker is blocking these, too?

 

[Anonymous]

Funny - I don't see any Maybe my ad blocker is blocking these, too?

it will be... which is why people like cn annoy the crap out of me. By going overboard they encourage people to install ad blockers.. which means that sites that rely on advertising (and deserve a few clicks here and there), sites like Steephill, Velowire and many of the other great sites and blogs end up losing out.

And my site as well. as I said in an earlier post we dont make much in advertising, but its enough to cover the server cost, domain renewals and sometimes chuck a prize in a fantasy competition. Peope installing ad blockers eventually means that people like me, steve at steephill, george at velowire and the rest end up having to pay for their sites out of their own pockets.. how long do you think that would last?

But guys like FP dont care.. If 10% or even 50% of people install adblockers they still get by just fine, in fact they probably even budget for it. but it screws everyone else over.

The moral of that story, is if you watch a video or view a race detail on steephill, click an ad afterwards, if you watch a livestream and theres an ad, click it, if you go use cyclingfever regularly click an add once in a while. It might help make up for all the visitors that have ad blockers installed..

 

[mewmewmew13]

it will be... which is why people like cn annoy the crap out of me. By going overboard they encourage people to install ad blockers.. which means that sites that rely on advertising (and deserve a few clicks here and there), sites like Steephill, Velowire and many of the other great sites and blogs end up losing out.

And my site as well. as I said in an earlier post we dont make much in advertising, but its enough to cover the server cost, domain renewals and sometimes chuck a prize in a fantasy competition. Peope installing ad blockers eventually means that people like me, steve at steephill, george at velowire and the rest end up having to pay for their sites out of their own pockets.. how long do you think that would last?

But guys like FP dont care.. If 10% or even 50% of people install adblockers they still get by just fine, in fact they probably even budget for it. but it screws everyone else over.

The moral of that story, is if you watch a video or view a race detail on steephill, click an ad afterwards, if you watch a livestream and theres an ad, click it, if you go use cyclingfever regularly click an add once in a while. It might help make up for all the visitors that have ad blockers installed..

It never occurred to me to do that. I was assuming that visiting the site was the 'click' but from now on, when I watch a race on steephill or whatever I will click an ad....
thnx again for some insight and info dim

 

[Arnout]

It never occurred to me to do that. I was assuming that visiting the site was the 'click' but from now on, when I watch a race on steephill or whatever I will click an ad....
thnx again for some insight and info dim

I suspect for these kind of advertisements its also the page views that actually count. For the Google ads, as far as I know the actual clicks are important, but those are the small ones with only text as opposed to the colorful banners that scream buy me.

On an only slightly related note: I am getting a bit fed up with the capitalist world of advertising. I know it's what makes nice things possible, but I personally could do without all kind of people screaming that I should pay attention (volume on TV is always annoyingly high for ads as well).

That said, I didn't experience the CN in-post ads yet, thanks to Opera.

 

[ultimobici]

So a week has passed and this thread has grown to 6 pages, yet not a single word from the CN staff or Future Publishing.

Way to go you West Country Idiots!

 

[mewmewmew13]

So a week has passed and this thread has grown to 6 pages, yet not a single word from the CN staff or Future Publishing.

Way to go you West Country Idiots!

Maybe the link to this thread could be tweeted and re-tweeted.

 

[ultimobici]

Maybe the link to this thread could be tweeted and re-tweeted.

Done!

Get tweeting people!!

 

[Anonymous]

It never occurred to me to do that. I was assuming that visiting the site was the 'click' but from now on, when I watch a race on steephill or whatever I will click an ad....
thnx again for some insight and info dim

theres multiple types of advertising.. ppv/ppi or pay per view/pay per impression where you get paid generally for every thousand impressions (and not very much). ppc or pay per click where you get paid each time someone clicks an ad (generally google) or affiliate links where you get paid a commission if someone purchases from the linked retailer.

Most sites use a mixture, usually the latter two. I for example use a google vertical banner that brings in click revenue and then a rotating affiliate link for chainreaction, wiggle etc etc. The good thing about affiliate links is if someone visits a retailer from your site a cookie is used and lasts usually about a month so even if they buy something three weeks later you get paid.

Cyclingnews on the whole use ppc. Certainly all their google ads (usually 3 per page) are, I think skimwords was ppi, not sure about these now obnoxious ones. Ive seen them use Wiggle affiliate links as well.

just dont go clicking crazy.. google detects multiple clicks and just doesnt pay them.. it also spots if people only ever click on one site.

Each click on google ads (which have the google logo on them) bring in between 5c and 50c which isnt much, but most "hobby" sites (which is what most decent cycling sites are) dont cost that much to run. Steephill and cyclingfans cost a bit more because they use Sirrotti photos which are paid for generally.

I suspect for these kind of advertisements its also the page views that actually count. For the Google ads, as far as I know the actual clicks are important, but those are the small ones with only text as opposed to the colorful banners that scream buy me.
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the colourful banner ads are google as well.

Google ads always either have a blue arrow to the top right hand corner of the ad (or bottom right on text ads) which says "ad choices" when you mousover it, or "ads by google" generally in the bottom right. Maximum per page is three.

Cn generally have 3 ppc google ads showing. CN also have ATDM running as well which is one of the more aggressive cookie based advertisers (and are responsibe for most of the low quality adverts, russian brides, dating, mature dating etc ) - i have atdm blocked anyway, they are crap. Basically ad suppliers stipulate you cant use more than x amount of their ads on the page so cn and others sign up for a whole bunch of agencies so they can have loads. I just counted 3 google, 1 atdm on a page plus of course the in thread advertising..

 

[krebs303]

I think it's time for me to log out and stop posting for while. about 1000-2000 hits a day in Freeform/Chaos thread making money for the man who cares not for those who contribute the content.

There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else.

Profit in business comes from repeat customers, customers that boast about your project or service, and that bring friends with them.

 

[Anonymous]

^^^^^

And theres a poster this place cant afford to lose..

 

[mewmewmew13]

krebs...

keep in touch via twitter

can we move en masse?? is it time??

 

[Arnout]

Cn generally have 3 ppc google ads showing. CN also have ATDM running as well which is one of the more aggressive cookie based advertisers (and are responsibe for most of the low quality adverts, russian brides, dating, mature dating etc ) - i have atdm blocked anyway, they are crap. Basically ad suppliers stipulate you cant use more than x amount of their ads on the page so cn and others sign up for a whole bunch of agencies so they can have loads. I just counted 3 google, 1 atdm on a page plus of course the in thread advertising..

To be honest I get mostly only KLM sales for the atdm ad, so it might be you

And well. I cannot say you should stay here krebs, but it would be sad to see this forum fall apart. I know a new one could be created, but things will never be the same. And this is, despite some drawbacks (mainly me going in the clinic and getting outraged), the best cycling forum in terms of user content, by far. Would be a shame to lose it.

 

[Anonymous]

To be honest I get mostly only KLM sales for the atdm ad, so it might be you

And well. I cannot say you should stay here krebs, but it would be sad to see this forum fall apart. I know a new one could be created, but things will never be the same. And this is, despite some drawbacks (mainly me going in the clinic and getting outraged), the best cycling forum in terms of user content, by far. Would be a shame to lose it.

i got the klm one for a month after i visited the klm website to look at flights (if you have visited the klm site even once it will show you the ads for a few weeks), then the cookie ran out.. then i got fitness singles again, then i blocked atdm..

Im all in favour of strike action. Calling a one day no-posting strike. Of course only 10% of people would stick to it, and half of those would form a virtual picket line going in threads and posting telling people not to post.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I think it's time for me to log out and stop posting for while. about 1000-2000 hits a day in Freeform/Chaos thread making money for the man who cares not for those who contribute the content.

I hadn't even made that connection, despite being aware that BoB gets 2000-4000 hits a day! I would join you in what is probably a futile gesture were I not on a mission from God to push BoB to 2m hits. That's the 'goal' I've set myself, after which my mission will be done. The only reason for this goal is that as far as I am aware, it would be a unique achievement in internet forum history, and one, no doubt, that would make it to the front page.

AS a compromise dear Krebs, because you are truly one of the rocks upon which this place is built, how about this: postpone your 'industrial action' at least until such time as we finally receive an official reply from the powers that be? Please?

 

[Amsterhammer]

Im all in favour of strike action. Calling a one day no-posting strike. Of course only 10% of people would stick to it, and half of those would form a virtual picket line going in threads and posting telling people not to post.

So true.

How about setting a deadline for an official reaction to our 'grievances'? How long has this been going on now? More than a week? Two weeks? Certainly long enough for some official bod to have found the time to write something here!

 

[mewmewmew13]

So true.

How about setting a deadline for an official reaction to our 'grievances'? How long has this been going on now? More than a week? Two weeks? Certainly long enough for some official bod to have found the time to write something here!

A very good point AH. I agree that maybe we should solicit some input from all and make a rational and mature decision on how to proceed.
It's not in our best interests to be rash and silly about the whole deal.

 

[Maxiton]

it will be... which is why people like cn annoy the crap out of me. By going overboard they encourage people to install ad blockers.. which means that sites that rely on advertising (and deserve a few clicks here and there), sites like Steephill, Velowire and many of the other great sites and blogs end up losing out.

And my site as well. as I said in an earlier post we dont make much in advertising, but its enough to cover the server cost, domain renewals and sometimes chuck a prize in a fantasy competition. Peope installing ad blockers eventually means that people like me, steve at steephill, george at velowire and the rest end up having to pay for their sites out of their own pockets.. how long do you think that would last?

But guys like FP dont care.. If 10% or even 50% of people install adblockers they still get by just fine, in fact they probably even budget for it. but it screws everyone else over.

The moral of that story, is if you watch a video or view a race detail on steephill, click an ad afterwards, if you watch a livestream and theres an ad, click it, if you go use cyclingfever regularly click an add once in a while. It might help make up for all the visitors that have ad blockers installed..

Okay, you do make a good point with that. I do see some ads over on the ad-crazy PezCyclingNews, just because I've never bothered to block them - they don't really bother me. I do understand that advertising pays the bills.

You can now set up AdBlock + to allow some advertising. And for a small site I enjoy I am happy to do that, and even click on a few, in order to do my share. But when the ads are totally disrespectful of the user and tasteless (see my avatar), all bets are off.

As soon as management here either gives a weak response or no response at all, why don't we all decamp to some forum of our own making? Let me know if you need volunteers.

 

[Martin318is]

To those posting on Twitter on this topic - what #tag are you doing it under? (would be a good way for the social group to connect on Twitter)

just a thought....

 

[bicing]

Idea

Sorry if this was already suggested, but what if Krebs or someone makes a logo and we all instate it as our avatars until the ads cease? The avatar could read something like "LOSE YOUR ADS OR LOSE THIS USER". Then slowly the entire forum will adopt the avatar and we will show very blatantly to the bosses that its not working. It'd be like a little revolution. Where's my Guy Fawkes mask?

That way we'd also be able to gauge how many people would migrate to the alternative, ad-free forum eventually, too.

Or maybe not a whole avatar, but something like a twibbon. http://twibbon.com/

 

[bicing]

Plus I decided to make a signature for it.