Agreement to not test LA on Ironman?

[sniper]

What are the odds on Bevan Docherty to test positive at the next event?

Quiet high i would imagine after that comment.

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[BotanyBay]

How would we know if the top-3 were not even tested?

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, "what were you on buddy, I was on my bike 6 hours a day..."

And six hours in the pool...
And six hours running...

And six hours for everything else.

 

[Digger]

People wondering why a 40 year old would dope. Race Radio might help me with this. But wasn't it Conconi that doped himself when he was nearly 60, just so he could beat his friends in a mountain TT. Moral of the story, you're not dealing with people who are all there. A couple of bottles short of a six pack.

 

[Neworld]

When I clicked on the link, I had an Armstrong ad banner at the top of the screen for an FRS product that boosts your 'immunity'.

Is this what you were referring to?

Is it referring to immunity from doping bans and criminal investigations?

No I was trying to provide a link to Jalabert's results. Jalabert has been in competitions with Lance in the last couple of years...just a crude comparison.

Hey, why doesn't Lance compete in the 2012 Olympics? RR, ITT, Olympic Tri?

NW

 

[Neworld]

What are the odds on Bevan Docherty to test positive at the next event?

Quiet high i would imagine after that comment.

If Lance is not yet collusional with the Tri federations...I'm sure Lance will just hook Bevan next race to be sure, ha ha.

NW

 

[mewmewmew13]

A few months ago he barely broke 1:20 for a 1/2 marathon. Today he went 1:17:01, off the bike, in 90 degree heat.

He sure "Responds" to "training"[/QUOTE]

Is there some type of confirmation from the World Triathlon Corporation that LA has an agreement for no testing? Is there some type of confirmation that they never test the top 3 places for their events? That seems ODD as in It is hard to believe they would have such a rule and agreement with one competitor. PRO TRI's athletes are a joke in my opinion so I would not be supprised.....

The Half Marathon time of sub 1:20 a few months ago and then a 1:17 in a Tri well since I can not find any official results for his half race I can only go by a tweeted result of 1:22 for the livestrong half. That is about 6:16 per mile in the 1:22 and then a 1:17 for the half after swim and bike about 5:53 per mile. Depends on if he was racing the 1:22 or not. There is a difference in these paces and it would have been a greater difference if he was just racing a half marathon. So in my opinion training could account for the quicker pace but it is hard to make a conclusion without knowing if he was just putting in some miles with the 1:22 result or if he was actually running for time. Then again if he was racing a 1:20 a month ago and now after swim and bike he drops to a 1:17 well that is some good training response.

LA has proven that he is not a great runner. His performance and technique needs improvement if he plans on being better at running.

I was reading somewhere in that Florida triathlon article that LA will be required to Qualify for KONA. That is good news because the last I had heard he was just going to be allowed to enter. Which in my opinion would be a crock of **** if they allowed that.

I linked an article about Alberto Salazars comments on LA’s running / marathon time. In my opinion he will never run a 2:30 fresh or whatever. His running is just that bad. One comment from Alberto that quotes LA’s millage comments for the training / mileage base for the marathon ….20 miles a week with a 10 mile long run…WTF! I say WTF because if he ran a 2:46 on 20 miles a week then…….????????? Just saying….without saying…..that is an “unbelievable” performance!



http://triathlon.competitor.com/201...endary-running-coach-for-ironman-advice_24430

“He’s going into this seriously,” he said. “The way he talked about it, he said, ‘You need to be able to get me to run 2:30 when I’m fresh. If I can do that, I can run 2:50-2:55 [in an Ironman], and if I can do that, I’ll win.’”
Many triathlon experts are quick to point out that Armstrong’s marathon performance at the ING New York City Marathon in 2006 does not suggest he’s capable of running fast enough in an Ironman to contest for the win. Based on his conversations with the cycling star, Salazar does not believe Armstrong was trained to his potential in that race.
“I was talking to a triathlon coach today and he said, ‘No way. He ran 2:46. You know how hard he trained to do that?’ I told him, ‘You have no idea how little he trained to do that.’ He was running like 20 miles a week. I mean, it was a joke. Lance told me, ‘You know we said my longest run was like 16, but it was actually closer to 10.’”

Glenn__!
I think this may be the first post that I totally agree with you.
His times are just too wtf!!
I know you are a runner and I am also a lifelong runner and his training/ running style etc etc are just bogus to me.

What person do you know or have ever heard of that put in 20m/week and longest run of maybe 10-ish miles to prepare for a marathon or even a half!
Armstrong's times are just a bit unreal under the circumstances.

unreal. Alberto may be a little out there himself but he does know his stuff...

40 year-old Lance comes back to tri and all of a sudden is the wonder of the sport again....

And Benotti, your comment about Docherty being in for trouble in the future struck me as pretty spot on.

 

[User Guide]

Chrissie Wellington retiring and LA taking it up,what a glorious time for ironman.

 

[Neworld]

People wondering why a 40 year old would dope. Race Radio might help me with this. But wasn't it Conconi that doped himself when he was nearly 60, just so he could beat his friends in a mountain TT. Moral of the story, you're not dealing with people who are all there. A couple of bottles short of a six pack.

Ms. Jeanne Longo

NW

 

[BotanyBay]

No I was trying to provide a link to Jalabert's results. Jalabert has been in competitions with Lance in the last couple of years...just a crude comparison.

Hey, why doesn't Lance compete in the 2012 Olympics? RR, ITT, Olympic Tri?

NW

You don't think that's big on his mind (this being 2012)?

World Champion. Cancer killer. TDF champion. Friend of Oprah. Beat the DOJ. Olympic Medalist.

Next: Wheaties Boxes and schlonging Kim Kardashian.

 

[BotanyBay]

If Lance is not yet collusional with the Tri federations...I'm sure Lance will just hook Bevan next race to be sure, ha ha.

NW

All he has to do is teach the top TRI athletes how to rig their system, and the World Triathlon folks will behave just like the UCI. He'll bring exposure and media attention to the sport. He'll want a cut OF that sport. He'll get that cut.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Glenn__!
I think this may be the first post that I totally agree with you.
His times are just too wtf!!
I know you are a runner and I am also a lifelong runner and his training/ running style etc etc are just bogus to me.

What person do you know or have ever heard of that put in 20m/week and longest run of maybe 10-ish miles to prepare for a marathon or even a half!
Armstrong's times are just a bit unreal under the circumstances.

unreal. Alberto may be a little out there himself but he does know his stuff...

40 year-old Lance comes back to tri and all of a sudden is the wonder of the sport again....

And Benotti, your comment about Docherty being in for trouble in the future struck me as pretty spot on.

Alberto was a great marathoner but I am not convinced he is a great coach. For me…I would just hope he is off the Prozac before he gave me any coaching…. That is just me though. I will not say it is IMPOSSIBLE to run 2:46 on 20 miles a week with a 10 mile long run,,,,but it would not be easy either. Not that anyone said he ran easy,,,,just that he is at an age where regardless of cycling shape you can not wake up and reprogram the muscles for the marathon. Good LUCK to him on the 2:30,,,,,I will predict HE WILL NOT ever run that time ….Fresh “gear” or not. Not going to happen.


A large portion of these Tri peeps tend to be about 10 out of 10 on the A-hole classification. So LA will fit in really well with his new peer group.

What I think will be really interesting is,,,,, knowing how these Tri flips like to be “GEAR” heavy …now that LA is in the sport how are they ever going to keep up with each other???? They will be going out to get the latest SRAM gear or the next ultra top speed Cervelo TT set up….They will run the risk of using all their 401k loans to pay for all the kits, cycles, “gear” and such. Got to get me a yellow ballah bandz.

 

[AngusW]

Find myself in the garbage dump once again ! First comments made it clear that “ 70.3 “ had no testing of the first three place achievers in previous events so there is NO CHANGE !

But there are 108 disgruntled ( how‘s that petition ? ) “ Lance bashers “ out there , looking to vent their ire on a guy who seeks a new challenge to aid that foundation which you all support and publicise !

Only thing I saw , so far , that may be factual was that Lance walked past the winner , but then he may have wished to avoid stealing the “ Show ” ? Of course I would have jumped in to shake hands and grab some limelight , wouldn’t you ?

Good on you Kiwi for taking the win , hope to see Oz’s 7th state represent well in future events !

Thread should be renamed “ Dumping on Lance 3.0 “ !

BTW , France is still part of Europe ? Question to comment #51 !

Hey skippy, just prior to "finding yourself in the garbage dump once again" did you happen to click on a thread with the title of "Agreement to not test LA on Ironman"?

 

[Velodude]

There could be two reasons to others why Armstrong's run could be influenced to an improved time.

Armstrong tweeted that the swim had the benefit of a strong current. (Remember Chairman Mao in 1966 swam 15km of the Yangtze River in 65 minutes or 4 times faster pace than a top 1500m swimmer - must have been current assisted!)

Bevan Docherty, the winner LA could not acknowledge, said after the race:

“I thought Lance would absolutely cream us on the bike, but he was probably in a similar position to me where he wasn’t too sure how to pace himself,” he said. “He certainly looked like he was holding back and that was probably why he ran so well off the bike.”

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hey skippy, just prior to "finding yourself in the garbage dump once again" did you happen to click on a thread with the title of "Agreement to not test LA on Ironman"?

All he saw was "LA".

 

[Semper Fidelis]

There could be two reasons to others why Armstrong's run could be influenced to an improved time.

Armstrong tweeted that the swim had the benefit of a strong current. (Remember Chairman Mao in 1966 swam 15km of the Yangtze River in 65 minutes or 4 times faster pace than a top 1500m swimmer - must have been current assisted!)

Bevan Docherty, the winner LA could not acknowledge, said after the race:

LA was 10th out of the water correct? He should have kept his swim time to himself instead of twitting about it.

I thought they were going to say that Armstrong’s brake’s were rubbing and that was why he held back on the ride…..????? If LA held back on the bike then that shows a lack of maturity on his part. You should always perform at top effort on your strong discipline for the tri. His run results will not be that good anyway so he should go for it on the bike.

 

[Oldman]

Ms. Jeanne Longo

NW

+Fattie Masters Dopers, worldwide!

 

[Berzin]

What I think will be really interesting is,,,,, knowing how these Tri flips like to be “GEAR” heavy …now that LA is in the sport how are they ever going to keep up with each other????

They're not going to be keeping up with each other. The reason being is that there is no "School of Dope" out there where people can take online classes to get their regimens straight.

Guys dope either through trial and error (and the errors can be quite harmful, but the fact of the matter is when one gets to such a point consequences don't carry much weight) or from friends who teach them the ropes.

I've seen this way too many times-someone who doesn't know what they're doing passing along wrong information and then you have another cat who is convinced he's doing it right because "so-and-so" told them how to do it.

Take for example the recent Tour of Puerto Rico. A couple of guys I know went there doped to the gills and didn't do squat. Why?

1) They undertrained because they thought enough EPO would make up for lack of miles.

2) They were overweight, again for the same reason.

3) They were not acclimated to the high humidity, which doesn't mix well with EPO abuse.

 

[Benotti69]

Danes seem to think that 2nd place was not tested.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden_sport/anden_sport/article1707550.ece

"Was it suspicious discrimination or simply an unfortunate coincidence that Lance Armstrong after his impressive debut in triathlon was not drug tested?

The question makes more himself because Lance Armstrong after an impressive second place in a professional triathlon races in Panama totally against usage, were drug tested.

It is the Danish triathlete Rasmus Henning, who most surprising was beaten by Armstrong in Panama, which reveals that the organizers broke a tradition of top 3 doping test after the race.

- I was randomly selected for doping control at number 4, and I have no problem with, but many wondered why the top-3 of the men were not tested here in Panama, and it surprised me too, says Rasmus Henning on his website ."

Where is the next Ironman event?

 

[scribe]

What are the odds on Bevan Docherty to test positive at the next event?

Quiet high i would imagine after that comment.

i lol'd
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[Lajeretta4Ever]

A few months ago he barely broke 1:20 for a 1/2 marathon. Today he went 1:17:01, off the bike, in 90 degree heat.

He sure "Responds" to "training"

Come on R**2, a few months ago LA was drained both emotionally and physically with the specter of a GJ indictment ready to come down any day (well at least according to the Clinic pundits).

 

[Granville57]

Looks like Wonderboy is still a sore loser
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10785325

But he's always beens so good at making friends. Especially when entering into new sports. Sense of community, mutual respect, Livestrong.

But here's another stat for you: Laurent Jalabert ran 2:55.
LA: Yeah, I'm going to beat that. And Rolf Aldag. He's another pro cyclist who retired last year. Big, tall guy. He ran like 2:42.

So do you have that in mind, too?
LA: No. I like Aldag.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/printer/1,7124,s6-243-297--10701-0,00.html

So the fact that French cyclist Laurent Jalabert once ran the New York City Marathon in 2:55 means nothing?
LA: I don't care. I don't care. [Pause] I'd still beat him up Alpe d'Huez.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/Still-Out-Front.html?page=all

 

[Velodude]

The ITU anti doping rules mirror the rules of all bodies signed up to WADA.

There is no exemption to target and random selection testing.

By WADA's target testing selection criteria, which the ITU specifically claim to be bound, Armstrong would have qualified for target testing on about 50% of the 15 listed factors.

 

[Fatclimber]

The doping sub-culture that exists in triathlons would blow your mind, ...

That's great news, LA should fit in well there. Maybe even continue to get a run for his money.

Funny thing about Panama, LA was third fastest on the bike leg (at least among pro men, I didn't check any other categories). Highlights to a couple other guys careers.

 

[The Hitch]

For years after cancer he used anything he could get, and no health problems.
Why do you think he should be worried now?

Its not like if you take drugs and survive you become immune to it. Its something that eats away at your health. The more you do it the bigger the risl. Just because he had no problems before doesnt mean hes not going to have long term problems from the doping he did in the early 2000's and doping more now cant improve the situation.