Agreement to not test LA on Ironman?

[danjo007]

That's great news, LA should fit in well there. Maybe even continue to get a run for his money.

Funny thing about Panama, LA was third fastest on the bike leg (at least among pro men, I didn't check any other categories). Highlights to a couple other guys careers.

you quite obviously dont understand how the sport works nowdays do you?
stick to reading the internets.

heres a juicy and accurate one for you;
according to @someoneiknow on twitter,

"Lance Armstrong is now under suspicion of using flippers in the swim portion of Sundays Panama IM 70.3"

 

[ChrisE]

But here's another stat for you: Laurent Jalabert ran 2:55.
LA: Yeah, I'm going to beat that. And Rolf Aldag. He's another pro cyclist who retired last year. Big, tall guy. He ran like 2:42.

So do you have that in mind, too?
LA: No. I like Aldag.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/...0701-0,00.html

Quote:
So the fact that French cyclist Laurent Jalabert once ran the New York City Marathon in 2:55 means nothing?
LA: I don't care. I don't care. [Pause] I'd still beat him up Alpe d'Huez.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor....html?page=all
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LOL pretty funny. Too bad the ill will wasn't going on when he blew past him up Pla d'Adet in 2001. That would have been hilarious if he would have shot him the finger as he went by.

 

[User Guide]

Ironman is WTC not ITU I think ie a private company.

 

[slowspoke]

you quite obviously dont understand how the sport works nowdays do you?
stick to reading the internets.

heres a juicy and accurate one for you;
according to @someoneiknow on twitter,

"Lance Armstrong is now under suspicion of using flippers in the swim portion of Sundays Panama IM 70.3"

 

[Velodude]

Ironman is WTC not ITU I think ie a private company.

Thanks for that. Appears ITU and WTC went their separate ways in 2004.

According to this Slowtwitch articleWTC is responsible for its own drug testing. Accountable to no one. Subcontract labs of their choice.

That may provide some background into why 1-2-3 were not tested.

Particularly if WTC were relying on #2 to boost the popularity of Ironman events and fill their dismal coffers.

WTC is owned by Providence Equity Partners and have made no secret that bringing LA on board will be financially advantageous to WTC

Armstrong will bring a built-in audience to Ironman, which in turn should put him back in the limelight. His foray into marathon running from 2006-2008 drew little attention and he returned to cycling late in 2008. It was during his marathon training that talk of a WTC/Livestrong partnership began.

 

[personal]

Its not like if you take drugs and survive you become immune to it. Its something that eats away at your health. The more you do it the bigger the risl. Just because he had no problems before doesnt mean hes not going to have long term problems from the doping he did in the early 2000's and doping more now cant improve the situation.

He should know how to do it properly by now. Maybe under supervision.
And he is not old, and he is healthy and in good shape.

There was a tread about long term effects of doping and, if I remember correctly, consensus was that there is no significant number of cases of athletes with problems.

 

[veganrob]

He should know how to do it properly by now. Maybe under supervision.
And he is not old, and he is healthy and in good shape.

There was a tread about long term effects of doping and, if I remember correctly, consensus was that there is no significant number of cases of athletes with problems.

How do you know he is healthy, are you his doctor. In good shape and healthy are two different things. You see people "in great shape" die prematurely everyday.
I have a friend that climbed Everest and was elite age grouper triathlete. He had a stroke a few years ago and nearly died. Early 40's. Was in fantastic shape.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

How do you know he is healthy, are you his doctor. In good shape and healthy are two different things. You see people "in great shape" die prematurely everyday.
I have a friend that climbed Everest and was elite age grouper triathlete. He had a stroke a few years ago and nearly died. Early 40's. Was in fantastic shape.

Exactly! Health and Fitness are two different things. I would bet that Armstrong is as physically unhealthy as he is mentally diseased..

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

How do you know he is healthy, are you his doctor. In good shape and healthy are two different things. You see people "in great shape" die prematurely everyday.
I have a friend that climbed Everest and was elite age grouper triathlete. He had a stroke a few years ago and nearly died. Early 40's. Was in fantastic shape.

Did he dope?

 

[veganrob]

Did he dope?

Not that I know of.

 

[Cloxxki]

It's quite genious to not test the podium (they have no time for it with all the press, of course). That means the "random" testing greatly reduces chance off catching any succesful doper, and if tampered with can keep certain people under the radar even before messing with your self-appointed labs.
Gotta love for-profit sports.

 

[alanshearer]

The ITU anti doping rules mirror the rules of all bodies signed up to WADA.

There is no exemption to target and random selection testing.

By WADA's target testing selection criteria, which the ITU specifically claim to be bound, Armstrong would have qualified for target testing on about 50% of the 15 listed factors.

But Ironman and 70.3 events are run by WTC. ITU rules don't apply, and WADA doesn't have jurisdiction.

If Armstrong was only willing to compete in events where it was certain he would not be tested, WTC would be the way to go. (Not that I've seen any evidence yet that there is such a "secret" agreement, at least other than a tweet alleging he wasn't tested.)

 

[Velodude]

But Ironman and 70.3 events are run by WTC. ITU rules don't apply, and WADA doesn't have jurisdiction.

If Armstrong was only willing to compete in events where it was certain he would not be tested, WTC would be the way to go. (Not that I've seen any evidence yet that there is such a "secret" agreement, at least other than a tweet alleging he wasn't tested.)

I have corrected the reference to ITU in a subsequent post at post #102.

WTC handle doping management in house.

They can select who is to be tested, hence podium is not tested, and lab results are only delivered to WTC and not shared with any other party.

This is nirvana to an athlete like Armstrong.

 

[DirtyWorks]

There was a tread about long term effects of doping and, if I remember correctly, consensus was that there is no significant number of cases of athletes with problems.

The consensus was, nobody knows with any accuracy.

It's like trying to collect information on cocaine use in the U.S. You aren't going to get an honest accounting for many reasons, one being the penalties for possession/use are very high.

Even if you COULD collect meaningful information on dopers, the results depend on who is funding the study. An example of this being the Tobacco industry still claims there is no causal link between smoking and lung cancer. And they are right for many reasons.

 

[Neworld]

The consensus was, nobody knows with any accuracy.

It's like trying to collect information on cocaine use in the U.S. You aren't going to get an honest accounting for many reasons, one being the penalties for possession/use are very high...

This is a sideways article but it relates to your comment on finding drugs in the general population. There is a lot more use out there than most people think...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2516581/

Maybe wastewater should be collected from hotels, and buses, occupied by riders during GTs? That may be a tall order but...

NW

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Bevan Docherty @bevanjdocherty Reply Retweet
Geez if I read 1 more news article on @lancearmstrong "Snubbing" me I'll go nuts! Stop tryin to make something out of nothing. I'm over it.

 

[Neworld]

Bevan Docherty @bevanjdocherty Reply Retweet
Geez if I read 1 more news article on @lancearmstrong "Snubbing" me I'll go nuts! Stop tryin to make something out of nothing. I'm over it.

He's over it...so he was snubbed. Sounds like a good guy, he'll be crushed soon.

Anyway, when is LA racing a TRI next? Will there be testing?

 

[scribe]

Too late bevan..... You're toast.

 

[The Hitch]

Too late bevan..... You're toast.

lol

10 char

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Bevan Docherty @bevanjdocherty Reply Retweet
Geez if I read 1 more news article on @lancearmstrong "Snubbing" me I'll go nuts! Stop tryin to make something out of nothing. I'm over it.

he will have a yellow band on next.

 

[doolols]

The CEO of WTC who run Ironman events used to be CEO of AEG Sports, who ran, amongst other things, the Amgen Tour of California. Who are Amgen?

In the 1980s Amgen was the first to isolate the gene for erythropoietin, the hormone that controls red blood cell production, which led to the production of recombinant human erythropoietin — developed to treat anemia in cancer patients but also abused in endurance sports such as cycling. Amgen has used the California stage race to launch an anti-doping educational campaign, targeted at riders and fans, as well as the opportunity to launch its Breakaway From Cancer initiative, aimed to increase awareness of resources available to cancer patients.

LINK

That's an unhealthy connection.

And not to forget that WTC are making a number of entries available to LA fans, thereby making this $1m 'deal' with Live$trong. Not sure how it works.

And LA will be coming to the French 70.3, so he will be back in Europe.

 

[patricknd]

Exactly! Health and Fitness are two different things. I would bet that Armstrong is as physically unhealthy as he is mentally diseased..

and you are, of course, qualified to make that diagnosis.

 

[thehog]

and you are, of course, qualified to make that diagnosis.

Probably finished last in his class whilst studying his PhD*












* wait to see who gets the reference

 

[Yeahright]

He's over it...so he was snubbed. Sounds like a good guy, he'll be crushed soon.

Anyway, when is LA racing a TRI next? Will there be testing?

Lol a whole thread based solely on a twitter innuendo, classic.

Docho says it all really, the stories are BS so move on people, nothing to see here.

 

[Yeahright]

Good sportsmanship shown by LA in his post race interview:

“I was realistic. I knew what I could do. I could feel a little – those little twinges at the back of the leg. I knew if I tried to lift it too much I was going to pay a price and the next thing I knew I’d be walking. I’d rather get second than walk home and get seventh. I played it conservative – I knew he was going to have to make a big effort to catch me – he caught me and he deserved to win.”

To finish second to Docherty was a fantastic result. Though Docho is not an ironman specialist he has been an elite triathlete for years and ranked number one for a while.