Agreement to not test LA on Ironman?

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden_sport/anden_sport/article1707550.ece

LOL. This is not only done in Germany & France, but it seems in whole Europe.

86% of voters in that danish article believe that Armstrong (inside Top-3) was not tested b/c the organisation (his Liestrong company sponsored the event ) protect him. What a rigged event. Hope this guy one day falls hard and burns in hell.

Is this the future of this arrogant doper? Participating in some obscure countries b/c he better don´t show up in continental europe anymore?

 

[skippy]

Find myself in the garbage dump once again ! First comments made it clear that “ 70.3 “ had no testing of the first three place achievers in previous events so there is NO CHANGE !

But there are 108 disgruntled ( how‘s that petition ? ) “ Lance bashers “ out there , looking to vent their ire on a guy who seeks a new challenge to aid that foundation which you all support and publicise !

Only thing I saw , so far , that may be factual was that Lance walked past the winner , but then he may have wished to avoid stealing the “ Show ” ? Of course I would have jumped in to shake hands and grab some limelight , wouldn’t you ?

Good on you Kiwi for taking the win , hope to see Oz’s 7th state represent well in future events !

Thread should be renamed “ Dumping on Lance 3.0 “ !

BTW , France is still part of Europe ? Question to comment #51 !

 

[simo1733]

Find myself in the garbage dump once again ! First comments made it clear that “ 70.3 “ had no testing of the first three place achievers in previous events so there is NO CHANGE !

But there are 108 disgruntled ( how‘s that petition ? ) “ Lance bashers “ out there , looking to vent their ire on a guy who seeks a new challenge to aid that foundation which you all support and publicise !

Only thing I saw , so far , that may be factual was that Lance walked past the winner , but then he may have wished to avoid stealing the “ Show ” ? Of course I would have jumped in to shake hands and grab some limelight , wouldn’t you ?

Good on you Kiwi for taking the win , hope to see Oz’s 7th state represent well in future events !

Thread should be renamed “ Dumping on Lance 3.0 “ !

BTW , France is still part of Europe ? Question to comment #51 !

Disregarding Lance for a moment, why is there no testing of the first three finishers. Any explanation from the organisers?

 

[personal]

Your the second person to interpret my post as talking about the legal aspect. to me the health problems are a far bigger risk than loss of reputation. especially if lance wants more kids. 40 is still young. i can understand him taking these risks at his peak at the tdf to become a star and create the whole.Armstrong phenomenon but doing it now at events which won't increase his fame or fortune of wellbeing one iota is imo very very
stupid.
i appreciate the compliment though.

For years after cancer he used anything he could get, and no health problems.
Why do you think he should be worried now?

 

[palmerq]

Disregarding Lance for a moment, why is there no testing of the first three finishers. Any explanation from the organisers?

if they finish in the top 3 they obviously run too fast and the tester cant catch them :S

 

[thehog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ng-snubs-Bevan-Docherty-finishing-second.html

 

[Neworld]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ng-snubs-Bevan-Docherty-finishing-second.html

Jalabert

http://ironmanlive.com/tracking.php?race=panama70.3&year=2012

NW

 

[scribe]

LOL. This a$$hole is not only done in Germany & France, but it seems in whole Europe.

86% of voters in that danish article believe that Armstrong (inside Top-3) was not tested b/c the organisation (his Liestrong company sponsored the event ) protect him. What a rigged event. Hope this guy one day falls hard and burns in hell.

Is this the future of this arrogant doper? Participating in some obscure countries b/c he better don´t show up in continental europe anymore?

You must have forgot all the talk about how they were gonna arrest him before he tried to return to the tour several years ago.

 

[Cloxxki]

Is Lance running that fast, being a bulky built heel striker? Hmm...

 

[wirral]

Jalabert

http://ironmanlive.com/tracking.php?race=panama70.3&year=2012

NW

When I clicked on the link, I had an Armstrong ad banner at the top of the screen for an FRS product that boosts your 'immunity'.

Is this what you were referring to?

Is it referring to immunity from doping bans and criminal investigations?

 

[B_Ugli]

The doping sub-culture that exists in triathlons would blow your mind, especially all those yuppies with real-world jobs who can afford steroid regimens prescribed by the quacks who run anti-aging clinics.

You may not recall, but an organized steroid trafficking operation was taken down in NYC and involved many law enforcement officers who just wanted to get and stay buff.

This isn't just about competing at the highest levels for money and glamor-it's the psychosis that exists in everyday life and affects everyday people who are concerned about looking and feeling good at all costs.

I know a couple of older gentlemen who tell me they love having the vitality they once had as 20-year olds from steroid "supplementation".

That's why they do it.

There is always an undercurrent of insecurity underneath the arrogant facades of some high achievers. Armstrong may suffer from this as much as any other Type-A personality who does triathlons.

As for what he may be taking, the cocktail is very simple-EPO, HgH and testosterone. The recipe isn't really all that complicated, and if he's not going to be tested he can dope to his heart's content.

This is an excellent post as another forum member has already said and concurs with a hypothesis I had recently regarding already successful athletes taking PEDs. I have a theory that a lot of top athletes who win get 'dependant' on that 'high' that winning gives you and use PED's not to win but to preserve that psychological need for the 'high'. We already know that being physically fit makes you feel good. Add to this the endorphines (which have an opiate effect) that must curse throught the average endurance athletes body and the clinical studies that point towards the benefits of treating depression and anxiety with regular exercise. Throw into the mix the number of Elite cyclists suffering from mental health problems/depression after retiring a theme begins to emerge.

Using AC as an example. I find it hard to believe that the average man who was being hauled through the courts would not have his mental health effected by the ordeal. However despite this he was resilient enough to win the Giro d Italia in a crushing display of bike riding.

Like I say its just a theory but you would have to get a sports psychogist and dependency expert together to expand on it further.

 

[veganrob]

Is Lance running that fast, being a bulky built heel striker? Hmm...

Haha. That was my first impression also on seeing that.

 

[Cloxxki]

Haha. That was my first impression also on seeing that.

Funny that he should put high-cadance pedaling and associated sublime efficiency on the map, yet run like jogger on, well, steroids.

"RunStrong, beating Mother Earth with a stretched out leg, one heel kick after another."

When I fixed my own running gait, I instantly improved my times by about as much as a guarentee of no testing would offer a man with infinite medial knowledge. Was a life-long untalented jogger, but after the fix I became a more than decent master sprinter. Reads like a yellow miracle, with the difference of this one actually being true.

In all seriousness, his gait may not be all that bad. It takes really good slow motion footage to tell. A lot can change in the last half inch before striking the ground.

 

[BotanyBay]

If La is doping at 40 to win triathlon events then he is out of his mind,

I can see why someone would do it to win 7 Tours but after youve achieved that to do it in retirement for temporary satisfaction. With all the risks that come with that. Nuts.

I've known that ego for over 23 years. This does not surprise me at all.

Doesn't USADA have the right to OOC-test him? HAVE they tested him? I mean, Triathlon IS an Olympic sport.

 

[veganrob]

Agree. I made the gradual change to forefoot landing and zero drop shoes and have never felt better or done better running.
For another thread though.

 

[stainlessguy1]

The doping sub-culture that exists in triathlons would blow your mind, especially all those yuppies with real-world jobs who can afford steroid regimens prescribed by the quacks who run anti-aging clinics.

You may not recall, but an organized steroid trafficking operation was taken down in NYC and involved many law enforcement officers who just wanted to get and stay buff.

This isn't just about competing at the highest levels for money and glamor-it's the psychosis that exists in everyday life and affects everyday people who are concerned about looking and feeling good at all costs.

I know a couple of older gentlemen who tell me they love having the vitality they once had as 20-year olds from steroid "supplementation".

That's why they do it.

There is always an undercurrent of insecurity underneath the arrogant facades of some high achievers. Armstrong may suffer from this as much as any other Type-A personality who does triathlons.

As for what he may be taking, the cocktail is very simple-EPO, HgH and testosterone. The recipe isn't really all that complicated, and if he's not going to be tested he can dope to his heart's content.

This is a good point.

First of all , after so many years of intense competition, Lance cannot just quit cold turkey. The whole body is tuned to high performance , and quiting cold turkey is a death sentence for an elite athlete, especially cyclists.

Second, the very fact that he has so many foundations, ( i only read the business statement once and cant recall the details) nor do i want to rehash them here: but , with the extra work in Livestrong and its audience that include runners and tri's and just about anybody that can put on a sweat suit, North American appeal must be fed for more years to come.

It seems reasonalbe from a business stand point at least. If he can keep fit and keep the foundation making money for him its a great cash cow to be milked after all these years of competition.

He has a general all around body,(after viewing the video from Panama Tri.) and as long as he can hold his own swimming and maybe learn to run , then he can do the rest.
L. Amrstrong has enough knowledge over the years of knowing when to compete when the competition might not be the best in the world, so he can pick and choose and fly to where ever he wants to make the best impact for the public. As long as its a placing its good for dough.
Most competitors dont really have that luxury. The Public doesnt know the difference on who else competed and how they rank. They know Lance Armstrong and he is up there and they will buy a track suit at Sport Chek and a yellow ribbon.
The fact of looking buff at older ages and not turning into the unbuff state because of retirement is always there. especially for super stars and Hollywood actors.
Its festofus for the restofus .

 

[stainlessguy1]

This is an excellent post as another forum member has already said and concurs with a hypothesis I had recently regarding already successful athletes taking PEDs. I have a theory that a lot of top athletes who win get 'dependant' on that 'high' that winning gives you and use PED's not to win but to preserve that psychological need for the 'high'. We already know that being physically fit makes you feel good. Add to this the endorphines (which have an opiate effect) that must curse throught the average endurance athletes body and the clinical studies that point towards the benefits of treating depression and anxiety with regular exercise. Throw into the mix the number of Elite cyclists suffering from mental health problems/depression after retiring a theme begins to emerge.

Using AC as an example. I find it hard to believe that the average man who was being hauled through the courts would not have his mental health effected by the ordeal. However despite this he was resilient enough to win the Giro d Italia in a crushing display of bike riding.

Like I say its just a theory but you would have to get a sports psychogist and dependency expert together to expand on it further.

Good points , yes it seems one is dependent on the stuff.
As far as mental fitness is concerned , also yes its going to affect a person , however , the average man would succumb to the mental pressure , but sociopaths can thrive on it. They welcome it .

 

[stainlessguy1]

LOL. This a$$hole is not only done in Germany & France, but it seems in whole Europe.

86% of voters in that danish article believe that Armstrong (inside Top-3) was not tested b/c the organisation (his Liestrong company sponsored the event ) protect him. What a rigged event. Hope this guy one day falls hard and burns in hell.

Is this the future of this arrogant doper? Participating in some obscure countries b/c he better don´t show up in continental europe anymore?

Good point , i never thought of that , it all could of been a rigged event . I mean Panama , maybe he paid for the event , an impoverished nation that can use some dough. He has enough to make donations of testing equiptment to the UCI or whatever lab the equiptment went to . Then he also has enough to pay for an event and rig it. Maybe thats why he walked past the winner of the event without shaking hands , because he paid so much for the win and didnt get it.

 

[Race Radio]

talk about some jilted lovers here. its so bad its embarrassing!

Translation: Leave My Lance Alone!

 

[Race Radio]

Looks like Wonderboy is still a sore loser


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10785325

"I'm not sure what it was all about, I can only assume he was just disappointed to get beaten,"

 

[BotanyBay]

Looks like Wonderboy is still a sore loser


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10785325

Lance is truly back.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Looks like Wonderboy is still a sore loser


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10785325

"I thought Lance would absolutely cream us on the bike but he was probably in a similar position to me where he wasn't too sure how to pace himself. He certainly looked like he was holding back and that was probably why he ran so well off the bike."

That's holding back?

28 mph on the bike for 2:10 in 90 degree heat and then a 1:17 1/2 marathon. This after "suffering" thru a 16:41 5k two months ago?

Yes, he really "responds" well to "training."

I wonder if he got a heads up from Birotte and Breuer so he knew it was all clear to properly "prepare" for Panama?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

A few months ago he barely broke 1:20 for a 1/2 marathon. Today he went 1:17:01, off the bike, in 90 degree heat.

He sure "Responds" to "training"[/QUOTE]

Is there some type of confirmation from the World Triathlon Corporation that LA has an agreement for no testing? Is there some type of confirmation that they never test the top 3 places for their events? That seems ODD as in It is hard to believe they would have such a rule and agreement with one competitor. PRO TRI's athletes are a joke in my opinion so I would not be supprised.....

The Half Marathon time of sub 1:20 a few months ago and then a 1:17 in a Tri well since I can not find any official results for his half race I can only go by a tweeted result of 1:22 for the livestrong half. That is about 6:16 per mile in the 1:22 and then a 1:17 for the half after swim and bike about 5:53 per mile. Depends on if he was racing the 1:22 or not. There is a difference in these paces and it would have been a greater difference if he was just racing a half marathon. So in my opinion training could account for the quicker pace but it is hard to make a conclusion without knowing if he was just putting in some miles with the 1:22 result or if he was actually running for time. Then again if he was racing a 1:20 a month ago and now after swim and bike he drops to a 1:17 well that is some good training response.

LA has proven that he is not a great runner. His performance and technique needs improvement if he plans on being better at running.

I was reading somewhere in that Florida triathlon article that LA will be required to Qualify for KONA. That is good news because the last I had heard he was just going to be allowed to enter. Which in my opinion would be a crock of **** if they allowed that.

I linked an article about Alberto Salazars comments on LA’s running / marathon time. In my opinion he will never run a 2:30 fresh or whatever. His running is just that bad. One comment from Alberto that quotes LA’s millage comments for the training / mileage base for the marathon ….20 miles a week with a 10 mile long run…WTF! I say WTF because if he ran a 2:46 on 20 miles a week then…….????????? Just saying….without saying…..that is an “unbelievable” performance!



http://triathlon.competitor.com/201...endary-running-coach-for-ironman-advice_24430

“He’s going into this seriously,” he said. “The way he talked about it, he said, ‘You need to be able to get me to run 2:30 when I’m fresh. If I can do that, I can run 2:50-2:55 [in an Ironman], and if I can do that, I’ll win.’”
Many triathlon experts are quick to point out that Armstrong’s marathon performance at the ING New York City Marathon in 2006 does not suggest he’s capable of running fast enough in an Ironman to contest for the win. Based on his conversations with the cycling star, Salazar does not believe Armstrong was trained to his potential in that race.
“I was talking to a triathlon coach today and he said, ‘No way. He ran 2:46. You know how hard he trained to do that?’ I told him, ‘You have no idea how little he trained to do that.’ He was running like 20 miles a week. I mean, it was a joke. Lance told me, ‘You know we said my longest run was like 16, but it was actually closer to 10.’”

 

[slowoldman]

Looks like Wonderboy is still a sore loser


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10785325

I bet this little gem got to Mellow Johnny.

"It's quite an honour to see a seven-time Tour de France winner and someone you admire standing in second place below you on the podium. It's a highlight of my career."

 

[Benotti69]

I bet this little gem got to Mellow Johnny.

"It's quite an honour to see a seven-time Tour de France winner and someone you admire standing in second place below you on the podium. It's a highlight of my career."

What are the odds on Bevan Docherty to test positive at the next event?

Quiet high i would imagine after that comment.