Al Jazeera investigation into doping (NFL, Manning etc.)

[Pazuzu]

Unless it comes out that the medication was not HGH, it still does not look good for Manning. And if it wasn't HGH, why wouldn't Fleischer deny that it was, since he could do that without revealing what it was?

But will anything stick to Manning? The NFL investigators can't subpoena records or testimony, the Feds, who can, have lost their appetite for going after athletes for doping (after the largely unsuccessful Clemons and Bonds trials), and the public seems to have PED fatigue. It doesn't help that Manning is arguably the most celebrated football player ever. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't think this will harm his legacy much.

 

[sniper]

crazy
have been reading some superbowl reports that contain several mentions of Manning (the star quarterback, his retirement, etc.), but not a single mention of the doping allegations.
what is the world coming to.

edit:
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/peyton-mannings-legacy-055954562.html
remarkable
they speak of his "distractors" and "critics", but they don't mean the doping accusations, no way, they just mean people who've been saying he's past his best.
not. a. word. on. doping.
i know, i shouldn't be surprised, and I'm not.
but just, i mean, come on.

 

[avanti]

The NFL is America's biggest religion and possibly the wealthiest. It has the power to ban the media from games if they utter bad words about the NFL and its players.
Apart from Manning the NFL is currently trying to cover up concussion issues; yet I saw an interview with players stating that they should be allowed to use more violence during the game.

 

[Catwhoorg]

When Manning retires the impetus is gone, so this will wither on the vine

 

[sniper]

Re:

The NFL is America's biggest religion and possibly the wealthiest. It has the power to ban the media from games if they utter bad words about the NFL and its players...

that should explain at least some of the crap journalism.

Ross Tucker ‏@Scienceofsport 1 Std.vor 1 Stunde

This article on Peyton Manning, the "bionic man", is positively gushing, in the style of North Korean propaganda http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/feb/08/i-created-the-bionic-man-how-peyton-manning-got-an-shot-at-the-super-bowl …

 

[arcus]

The NFLs testing program is a total joke

Tampering with a sample and corrupting a DCO results in a 6 game ban... Apparently It's recreational substances, vs. PEDs, but still........

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test

 

[blackcat]

Re:

crazy
have been reading some superbowl reports that contain several mentions of Manning (the star quarterback, his retirement, etc.), but not a single mention of the doping allegations.
what is the world coming to.

edit:
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/peyton-mannings-legacy-055954562.html
remarkable
they speak of his "distractors" and "critics", but they don't mean the doping accusations, no way, they just mean people who've been saying he's past his best.
not. a. word. on. doping.
i know, i shouldn't be surprised, and I'm not.
but just, i mean, come on.

his distractors or detractors? or both. portmanteau? malaprop? fals dichotomy(me)

 

[Merckx index]

Ross Tucker ‏@Scienceofsport 1 Std.vor 1 Stunde

This article on Peyton Manning, the "bionic man", is positively gushing, in the style of North Korean propaganda http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/feb/08/i-created-the-bionic-man-how-peyton-manning-got-an-shot-at-the-super-bowl …

Then there’s Tom Brady, who thinks he can play till he’s 45, or even 48. All through marginal gains:

Guerrero challenged all of those notions. He showed Brady how the muscles in his forearm had, through lifting weights, become short and stiff and how that led to soreness when he threw. Together they worked to make those muscles longer and more flexible -- "more like rubber bands," says Brady, "so I can throw thousands of footballs and not worry."

In essence, after the ACL recovery, Brady placed Guerrero in charge of the second half of his career. "God, what if LeBron James got what I got? What if he trained how I trained?" Brady asks. "He really could play forever."

House and Brady work to refine less than 2 percent of the QB's overall skillset. That's it. The upper end of the upper end. Early on they ran Brady's throws through a three-dimensional motion analysis, studying his movement patterns (length of stride), timing (shoulder and hip separation) and the mechanical variables (eye level, release point). That provided a baseline.

After Brady's subpar 2013 season -- subpar by his standards, anyway -- they looked at ground-force production: how to shift his feet more quickly to create more torque and to boost his spin on shorter throws and his distance on longer ones. One exercise they added, the Fogel drill, forces Brady to shuffle his feet for 30 seconds while simulating throws to dozens of targets. This makes Brady plant and pass faster. It has helped his balance and led to gains, even at 37, in his ability to deliver on the move.

"Tom is pushing back the aging process," says House. "There's no reason he can't do at 45 what he did at 25."

Take that diet. It's seasonal, which means he eats certain things in the winter that are considered "hot property" foods, like red meat. In the summer, when it's time for "cold property" foods, his diet is mostly raw. He subscribes to the 80-20 theory -- but it's not 80 percent healthy food, 20 percent unhealthy. It's 80 percent alkaline, 20 percent acidic. The idea, he says, is "to maintain balance and harmony through my metabolic system." That's why teammates always see him with hummus, raw snack bars packed with nutrients and what one teammate calls "that birdseed s---." This is the same guy who once ate Christmas breakfast with the Evans family and quietly picked all the sausage out from his omelet.

Then there's the brain resiliency program. Brady underwent a battery of tests and a neuroscan a few years back, then had a program created to work out his brain the way he worked out his body. The various exercises help Brady to more quickly process information between plays, read defenses and make adjustments. They assist with his memory. They increase his peripheral vision and how far he can see downfield. "The body is a whole system," says Brady, "and that includes the brain. I'm lucky I haven't had many concussions -- maybe one I can remember. I'm training for if that happens. I'm building resiliency and staying sharp. I feel like that's really where my edge is."

"If we can keep his processing speed this high," says Guerrero, "then I don't care if he's 48."

The by-product of all this: Brady is faster and stronger than on the day he was drafted. He doesn't care if you believe that. "I am," he says. "I'm more durable, too. But given where I started, I wouldn't say that like it's some great accomplishment."

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness?page=1&devicetype=default

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Ross Tucker ‏@Scienceofsport 1 Std.vor 1 Stunde

This article on Peyton Manning, the "bionic man", is positively gushing, in the style of North Korean propaganda http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/feb/08/i-created-the-bionic-man-how-peyton-manning-got-an-shot-at-the-super-bowl …

Then there’s Tom Brady, who thinks he can play till he’s 45, or even 48. All through marginal gains:

Guerrero challenged all of those notions. He showed Brady how the muscles in his forearm had, through lifting weights, become short and stiff and how that led to soreness when he threw. Together they worked to make those muscles longer and more flexible -- "more like rubber bands," says Brady, "so I can throw thousands of footballs and not worry."

In essence, after the ACL recovery, Brady placed Guerrero in charge of the second half of his career. "God, what if LeBron James got what I got? What if he trained how I trained?" Brady asks. "He really could play forever."

House and Brady work to refine less than 2 percent of the QB's overall skillset. That's it. The upper end of the upper end. Early on they ran Brady's throws through a three-dimensional motion analysis, studying his movement patterns (length of stride), timing (shoulder and hip separation) and the mechanical variables (eye level, release point). That provided a baseline.

After Brady's subpar 2013 season -- subpar by his standards, anyway -- they looked at ground-force production: how to shift his feet more quickly to create more torque and to boost his spin on shorter throws and his distance on longer ones. One exercise they added, the Fogel drill, forces Brady to shuffle his feet for 30 seconds while simulating throws to dozens of targets. This makes Brady plant and pass faster. It has helped his balance and led to gains, even at 37, in his ability to deliver on the move.

"Tom is pushing back the aging process," says House. "There's no reason he can't do at 45 what he did at 25."

Take that diet. It's seasonal, which means he eats certain things in the winter that are considered "hot property" foods, like red meat. In the summer, when it's time for "cold property" foods, his diet is mostly raw. He subscribes to the 80-20 theory -- but it's not 80 percent healthy food, 20 percent unhealthy. It's 80 percent alkaline, 20 percent acidic. The idea, he says, is "to maintain balance and harmony through my metabolic system." That's why teammates always see him with hummus, raw snack bars packed with nutrients and what one teammate calls "that birdseed s---." This is the same guy who once ate Christmas breakfast with the Evans family and quietly picked all the sausage out from his omelet.

Then there's the brain resiliency program. Brady underwent a battery of tests and a neuroscan a few years back, then had a program created to work out his brain the way he worked out his body. The various exercises help Brady to more quickly process information between plays, read defenses and make adjustments. They assist with his memory. They increase his peripheral vision and how far he can see downfield. "The body is a whole system," says Brady, "and that includes the brain. I'm lucky I haven't had many concussions -- maybe one I can remember. I'm training for if that happens. I'm building resiliency and staying sharp. I feel like that's really where my edge is."

"If we can keep his processing speed this high," says Guerrero, "then I don't care if he's 48."

The by-product of all this: Brady is faster and stronger than on the day he was drafted. He doesn't care if you believe that. "I am," he says. "I'm more durable, too. But given where I started, I wouldn't say that like it's some great accomplishment."

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness?page=1&devicetype=default

In Brady's defense, Chris Horner is about that old

 

[coinneach]

Re: Re:

Ross Tucker ‏@Scienceofsport 1 Std.vor 1 Stunde

This article on Peyton Manning, the "bionic man", is positively gushing, in the style of North Korean propaganda http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/feb/08/i-created-the-bionic-man-how-peyton-manning-got-an-shot-at-the-super-bowl …

Then there’s Tom Brady, who thinks he can play till he’s 45, or even 48. All through marginal gains:


In essence, after the ACL recovery, Brady placed Guerrero in charge of the second half of his career. "God, what if LeBron James got what I got? What if he trained how I trained?" Brady asks. "He really could play forever."

House and Brady work to refine less than 2 percent of the QB's overall skillset. That's it. The upper end of the upper end. Early on they ran Brady's throws through a three-dimensional motion analysis, studying his movement patterns (length of stride), timing (shoulder and hip separation) and the mechanical variables (eye level, release point). That provided a baseline.



"Tom is pushing back the aging process," says House. "There's no reason he can't do at 45 what he did at 25."

Take that diet. It's seasonal, which means he eats certain things in the winter that are considered "hot property" foods, like red meat. In the summer, when it's time for "cold property" foods, his diet is mostly raw. He subscribes to the 80-20 theory -- but it's not 80 percent healthy food, 20 percent unhealthy. It's 80 percent alkaline, 20 percent acidic. The idea, he says, is "to maintain balance and harmony through my metabolic system." That's why teammates always see him with hummus, raw snack bars packed with nutrients and what one teammate calls "that birdseed s---." This is the same guy who once ate Christmas breakfast with the Evans family and quietly picked all the sausage out from his omelet.

Then there's the brain resiliency program. Brady underwent a battery of tests and a neuroscan a few years back, then had a program created to work out his brain the way he worked out his body. The various exercises help Brady to more quickly process information between plays, read defenses and make adjustments. They assist with his memory. They increase his peripheral vision and how far he can see downfield. "The body is a whole system," says Brady, "and that includes the brain. I'm lucky I haven't had many concussions -- maybe one I can remember. I'm training for if that happens. I'm building resiliency and staying sharp. I feel like that's really where my edge is."

"If we can keep his processing speed this high," says Guerrero, "then I don't care if he's 48."

The by-product of all this: Brady is faster and stronger than on the day he was drafted. He doesn't care if you believe that. "I am," he says. "I'm more durable, too. But given where I started, I wouldn't say that like it's some great accomplishment."

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness?page=1&devicetype=default

In Brady's defense, Chris Horner is about that old[/quote]

Errrr, that's no defence in my book!

 

[glassmoon]

so... BIONIC is the new "clean".
priceless

 

[Pazuzu]

Re:

The NFL is America's biggest religion and possibly the wealthiest. It has the power to ban the media from games if they utter bad words about the NFL and its players.
Apart from Manning the NFL is currently trying to cover up concussion issues; yet I saw an interview with players stating that they should be allowed to use more violence during the game.

The NFL is crazy popular in America and Manning is the league's most beloved player. He'll get away with whatever he wants.

As far as the concussion issue is concerned (and dissuading PED use for that matter), the best thing the league could do is to set weight limits for every position. This would keep guys from getting too large through excessive weight training (often augmented by *other* means). Keep the size and strength of the players down and a safer game will result.

 

[beowulf]

Re: Re:

The NFL is America's biggest religion and possibly the wealthiest. It has the power to ban the media from games if they utter bad words about the NFL and its players.
Apart from Manning the NFL is currently trying to cover up concussion issues; yet I saw an interview with players stating that they should be allowed to use more violence during the game.

The NFL is crazy popular in America and Manning is the league's most beloved player. He'll get away with whatever he wants.

As far as the concussion issue is concerned (and dissuading PED use for that matter), the best thing the league could do is to set weight limits for every position. This would keep guys from getting too large through excessive weight training (often augmented by *other* means). Keep the size and strength of the players down and a safer game will result.

Or you could take away their pads and helmets. If they did that the game would become a lot less violent quickly.

 

[Pazuzu]

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Or you could take away their pads and helmets. If they did that the game would become a lot less violent quickly.

Isn't that how rugby -- the precursor to football -- is played? It'd be interesting to know if there is anywhere near the level of injuries and concussions in modern professional rugby.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Injuries, yes a pretty good rate. I don't have hard figures, but they seem to be less severe though.

Concussions, fewer than the NFL. Players keep their heads safe by tackling differently.



And of course doping is rampant in rugby these days.

 

[beowulf]

Re:

Injuries, yes a pretty good rate. I don't have hard figures, but they seem to be less severe though.

Concussions, fewer than the NFL. Players keep their heads safe by tackling differently.



And of course doping is rampant in rugby these days.

Also, rugby is a continuous sport where players gradually get fatigued which means they cannot hit each other as hard. American football on the other hand has offensive and defensive players who spend a lot of their time resting, which means they have more energy to smash into each other.

Another reason why rugby players have fewer head injuries is because they can actually see where their pain is coming from. In rugby your opposition is usually in front of you, but in american football there are a lot more situations where players can get hit from all directions.

 

[the delgados]

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

 

[Maxiton]

Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

There may have been some fallout: Al Jazeera America just shut down.

 

[noddy69]

Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

Some interesting talk on growth hormone- what I'm taking from that after recent revelations in the UK and that clinic is all I need to do to score drugs for sport is get to an anti aging clinic-

 

[arcus]

Interesting info emerging from the on-going investigation into this........

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/sports/role-of-nurse-is-said-to-be-of-interest-after-report-on-doping.html

After a report by Al Jazeera in December linked Peyton Manning, the Philadelphia Phillies player Ryan Howard and other top athletes to performance-enhancing drugs, United States antidoping officials set out to investigate those claims with the help of Major League Baseball and the N.F.L.

Among the many leads being pursued, according to an antidoping official with direct knowledge of the case, is one involving a nurse practitioner in Houston who had committed suicide two months before Al Jazeera’s documentary was broadcast. The official requested anonymity because the investigation is confidential.

The United States Anti-Doping Agency has begun looking into the relationship between the nurse practitioner, Karen Lopez-Bartlett, and her fiancé, Charles Sly, the pharmacist at the center of the report, who spoke in detail about providing performance-enhancing drugs to several professional athletes. Ms. Lopez-Bartlett’s possible role highlights the unusual nature of the case.

Ms. Lopez-Bartlett ran a holistic medicine clinic in a building that also houses a compounding pharmacy, where technicians mix ingredients to create personalized medicines to treat conditions including pain, impotency and fatigue. Investigators from the antidoping agency are trying to determine if her prescriptions ended up in the hands of Mr. Sly and any athletes and, if so, whether the medicines contained banned substances.

... according to transcripts of the undercover interviews conducted by Al Jazeera, Mr. Sly told Mr. Collins that Ms. Lopez-Bartlett had written prescriptions for him and that he had had access to her prescription pad. (Mr. Sly did not have the authority to write prescriptions.) Mr. Sly had keys to her clinic in Houston, which he visited with Mr. Collins.
Ms. Lopez-Bartlett had killed herself several days before Mr. Collins began secretly interviewing Mr. Sly, though Mr. Sly did not mention her death during several hours of conversations, according to the transcripts.
Mr. Sly told Mr. Collins that he and Ms. Lopez-Bartlett were engaged, according to the transcripts, but that he had misgivings about marriage because it would be a conflict for a husband or a wife to write prescriptions for a spouse.
“She writes a lot of prescriptions,” Mr. Sly said, according to a recording of the conversation. “In the U.S., since I have all these deals with the pharmacies, that’s a conflict of interest. Big time. And we’re making good, good, good money.”

 

[arcus]

Brandon Spletzer, who was included in the Al-Jazeera documentary was investigated by the "College of Naturopathic Physicians" and given a 10 day practice suspension.

Spletzer was found to have recommended, ordered and provided a patient with two peptides that are not authorized for sale in Canada and a third peptide that cannot be prescribed by naturopaths. The college, in its public notification of the reprimand, also said Spletzer had made statements to a patient that “could be interpreted as being willing to engage in disgraceful, dishonourable, or unprofessional conduct.”

In one scene, he talks to an undercover reporter about evading the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). In another, Spletzer delivers the reporter peptides not authorized for human consumption.

10 days...... Unbelievable.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/naturopath-gets-light-reprimand-for-doping-documentary-involvement/article29781114/

Documentary here for anyone who hasn't seen it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

There may have been some fallout: Al Jazeera America just shut down.

Its up now. Ehhh, was the because you were saying that the NFL is GOD?!

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

There may have been some fallout: Al Jazeera America just shut down.

Its up now. Ehhh, was the because you were saying that the NFL is GOD?!

Actually, it's not up. Al Jazeera America was the American cable network of Al Jazeera International. The latter is still operating but the American cable network is now closed.

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

There may have been some fallout: Al Jazeera America just shut down.

Its up now. Ehhh, was the because you were saying that the NFL is GOD?!

Actually, it's not up. Al Jazeera America was the American cable network of Al Jazeera International. The latter is still operating but the American cable network is now closed.

Sorry, I thought you meant their www site.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/1/13/al-jazeera-america-to-close-down.html

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

I found it interesting because of the fallout, or lack thereof.
Some high profile players were named, but nothing came of it. All of which reinforces the idea that doping is an acceptable part of sport.

There may have been some fallout: Al Jazeera America just shut down.

Its up now. Ehhh, was the because you were saying that the NFL is GOD?!

Actually, it's not up. Al Jazeera America was the American cable network of Al Jazeera International. The latter is still operating but the American cable network is now closed.

I can still hear Al Gore laughing....