Al Jazeera investigation into doping (NFL, Manning etc.)

[attila]

Re: Re:

The key for me is that Manning’s agent did not deny that growth hormone was shipped to the athletes wife, stating that “Any medical treatment received by Ashley is a private matter of hers, her doctor, and her family” Accordingly it would covered by US HIPAA laws, so the clinic cannot comment to press. If the allegations were fabricated and no HGH was shipped to either of them, I'd expect his agent to have emphasized that in the strongest terms, and make it clear that anyone stating otherwise would be pursued in court. That didn't happen, leaving me with the impression that she may indeed have been shipped the drug.
As pointed out in the documentary, HGH prescribing is highly regulated, and restricted to 3 serious conditions (2 of which her body habitus suggests she does not suffer from). Then, the question becomes why on earth would someone with her resources be getting treatment for a complex, serious medical disorder in an anti-aging clinic? Does not compute.

Excellent post! You're right - it doesn't add up. I just hope the media keep on this. If Manning is going claim that the HGH was for his wife, and then hides behind the 'medical privacy' card, I'm assuming the worst.

Oh, and Manning's mock outrage over this brings to mind a certain outfield for the Milwaukee Brewers. If Manning is guilty, all I can say is Ryan "I'd bet my life" Braun is the better actor. Which is somewhat surprising given all those Peyton Manning TV ads.

NFL media, and media in general, are steering clear of it for now. But I don't think Al J. is done quite yet. More to come.

 

[attila]

Re:

If I understand this correctly, we can now conclude almost conclusively that HGH was sent to Ashley Manning. There is no way Payton/Fleischer wouldn't have denied it by this time, if it didn't happen. So at the very least, she was involved with an illegal activity, since I think we can be quite sure she didn't have one of the relatively rare disorders for which prescription of the drug is legal.

There is no proof that Manning used HGH himself, but for a guy with such a Mr. Clean image, the converse looms large: there is no way he can prove that he didn't, either. And this is not the usual can't-prove-a-negative, since if he had intended to use it himself, using his wife as a cover would have been a great way to get the drug without raising suspicion. He had access to the drug, and his only proof that he didn't use it is basically that his wife was using it for a purpose that was both illegal and presumably unnecessary.

Edit: Word is that Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman, two MLB players originally named by Sly, are suing AJ.

Isn't this a page out of the Lance A. strategy? Answering myself...I think a strong affirmative.

 

[tantocomo]

Re:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/s...ton-manning-derek-jeter-charles-sly.html?_r=0

Good to see this story getting picked up. It will be interesting to see how long it runs, especially with the playoffs just around the corner and their ability to bury bad news.

 

[arcus]

"Authorities in Canada and the United States are moving to investigate allegations of sports doping facilitated by two Vancouver-area men"

This refers to investigations into Brandon Spletzer, the naturopathic doctor who appeared in the documentary, and speculation that the same might be on the cards for pharmacist Chad Robertson, who was also featured. The article has interesting information, especially in relation to "Associates".

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/authorities-shift-sports-doping-investigation-to-vancouver-naturopath/article28029832/

 

[arthurvandelay]

Re: Re:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/s...ton-manning-derek-jeter-charles-sly.html?_r=0

Good to see this story getting picked up. It will be interesting to see how long it runs, especially with the playoffs just around the corner and their ability to bury bad news.

The NFL does an outstanding job of protecting its marquee players from doping innuendo. They make very sure that the few guys busted for HGH and anabolics are bit players.

I certainly don't doubt that Manning has been doping for a long time. How else does an elderly gentleman like him get through multiple neck surgeries and come back to a starting job ? The HGH being delivered to the house etc. is certainly apropos of "if there is smoke, there is fire". We all got lead around by the nose with Lance, the NFL is desperate to do the same with Manning.

 

[Pazuzu]

The Boston Globe ran a piece pointing out that, while the NFL and the media busted Brady's balls over deflated balls, they've haven't done f*ck all with the allegations concerning Manning. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/01/07/nfl-media-looking-other-way-peyton-manning/sT9wGiXzvanBbH2sLW8xqN/story.html

 

[arcus]

The Irish Times has a go at the NFL and Manning.....

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/america-at-large-peyton-manning-drug-story-being-ignored-1.2487239

The US press are giving this a wide-berth, but at least others are sifting through the facts and drawing their own consulsions.

 

[MarkvW]

Re:

The Irish Times has a go at the NFL and Manning.....

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/america-at-large-peyton-manning-drug-story-being-ignored-1.2487239

The US press are giving this a wide-berth, but at least others are sifting through the facts and drawing their own consulsions.

I'm giving this story some time to play out.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Peyton Manning Comments on Al Jazeera America Reportedly Shutting Down

Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning isn't exactly saddened by the news, saying Wednesday, per USA Today's Lindsay Jones: "I'm sure that's just devastating to all their viewers."

Well I never.

A news outlet under the banner of Al Jazeera not gaining traction with an American audience?

Who would've ever imagined?

 

[Ironhead Slim]

Peyton Manning Comments on Al Jazeera America Reportedly Shutting Down

Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning isn't exactly saddened by the news, saying Wednesday, per USA Today's Lindsay Jones: "I'm sure that's just devastating to all their viewers."

Well I never.

A news outlet under the banner of Al Jazeera not gaining traction with an American audience?

Who would've ever imagined?

It takes far out news agencies to do the actual investigative work in the US. Blue dress comes to mind. Elway story has some legs to it. Recanted video witness testimony, ridiculous vehement response & lawyer hiring, dodgy doctor & pharmaceutical supplier, both he and his wife went to dodgy doctor. The NFL is a very powerful organization.

 

[Pazuzu]

Re:

The Irish Times has a go at the NFL and Manning.....

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/america-at-large-peyton-manning-drug-story-being-ignored-1.2487239

The US press are giving this a wide-berth, but at least others are sifting through the facts and drawing their own consulsions.

Minor correction: it's actually a 16 game (spread over 17 weeks) season rather than a 17 game season, although the NFL did contemplate an 18 game season before the players' union cried foul. But the article makes a great point, the players need HGH to recover from the damage from hits inflicted by players who are too big due to HGH. A classic case of the snake eating its own tail.

 

[arcus]

MLB asks USADA to help investigate al-jazeera claims

Fascinating to see how this plays out. Test for Tygart.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14652385/mlb-asks-us-anti-doping-agency-help-investigate-al-jazeera-claims

 

[glassmoon]

Re:

MLB asks USADA to help investigate al-jazeera claims

Fascinating to see how this plays out. Test for Tygart.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14652385/mlb-asks-us-anti-doping-agency-help-investigate-al-jazeera-claims

i've always thought Lance was too big to fall. But he also was an a**hole ruining lives around him so this may have played some part in his outcome.
PM is certainly too big to fall also... but is he the same a-hole as Lance was (don't follow nfl backstage too much)? Will it play a role in the "process"?
&#63

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Sh*t hits fan?


http://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/35416932

The NFL has opened an investigation into allegations that Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning used a banned human growth hormone.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

MLB asks USADA to help investigate al-jazeera claims

Fascinating to see how this plays out. Test for Tygart.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14652385/mlb-asks-us-anti-doping-agency-help-investigate-al-jazeera-claims

i've always thought Lance was too big to fall. But he also was an a**hole ruining lives around him so this may have played some part in his outcome.
PM is certainly too big to fall also... but is he the same a-hole as Lance was (don't follow nfl backstage too much)? Will it play a role in the "process"?
&#63

I would prefer to think of Lance making life.
for all the aspect of Lance ruining lives, there is also the other side, all the baby mommas he seduced and said, "listen, I had a unilateral orchiectomy and chemo, my seed is like chernobyl, I could do a peter north and you still will not get a foetus"

I believe Lance has inherited Sean Kemps MVP mantle

when the fathers day cards come in the mail
http://elitedaily.com/sports/the-professional-athletes-who-have-the-most-children-with-different-women/
http://topbet.eu/news/15-athletes-with-more-illegitimate-children-than-titles.html


^
#albinoson
but not Japanese

 

[SafeBet]

Re: Re:

I believe Lance has inherited Sean Kemps MVP mantle

when the fathers day cards come in the mail
http://elitedaily.com/sports/the-professional-athletes-who-have-the-most-children-with-different-women/
http://topbet.eu/news/15-athletes-with-more-illegitimate-children-than-titles.html

Cromartie is actually up to 10 sons, soon to be 12. His wife is pregnant and expecting twins despite him previously having a vasectomy. I don't know what kind of juice he's taking but seems pretty potent.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Cromartie is actually up to 10 sons, soon to be 12. His wife is pregnant and expecting twins despite him previously having a vasectomy. I don't know what kind of juice he's taking but seems pretty potent.

I thought verdant was a

on this image hosting site, because the pic was too big to link in, I had to click either on FAMILY safe or ADULT content but there was no box to check "FALSE dichotomy ALL OF THE ABOVE"

 

[Pazuzu]

Re:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/35416932

The NFL has opened an investigation into allegations that Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning used a banned human growth hormone.

Without the power to compel witnesses to testify under oath, the NFL's investigation isn't going anywhere. They'll call in Manning, he'll say he received such and such non-prohibited treatments from the clinic. When they ask him about treatments his wife received at the clinic, he'll get indignant and refuse to answer, citing her 'privacy'. Case closed.

The 'investigation' is just window dressing.

 

[arcus]

^ MLB have asked USADA to do the honours. MLB are not under USADA jurisdiction, but at least this has a vague semblance of independence (as opposed to NFL investigating themselves). Given the current climate of corruption in world sports federations, surely USADA won't want to appear toothless and sycophantic, even when MLB/NFL stars, and their stardom/dollars are in the mix. I hope I'm not being too naive.

The Al Jazeera documentary alleged illegal supply and importation of pharmaceutical substances, something that USADA could shunt up to US governmental agencies with more powers. Might not nail PM, but the story will stay alive.

 

[wansteadimp]

Re: Re:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/35416932

The NFL has opened an investigation into allegations that Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning used a banned human growth hormone.

Without the power to compel witnesses to testify under oath, the NFL's investigation isn't going anywhere. They'll call in Manning, he'll say he received such and such non-prohibited treatments from the clinic. When they ask him about treatments his wife received at the clinic, he'll get indignant and refuse to answer, citing her 'privacy'. Case closed.

The 'investigation' is just window dressing.

The case isn't closed, Goodell will pin the blame on one of his favourite patsies.

So Peyton will get off whilst Brady/James Harrison/Vontaze Burfict (delete as appropriate) gets a fine.

Burfict might have taken Harrison's crown as the player most influenced by his 'roid rage.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ex-associate-of-pharmacists-in-al-jazeera-report-says-he-was-unaware-of-doping.html?_r=0

 

[arcus]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ex-associate-of-pharmacists-in-al-jazeera-report-says-he-was-unaware-of-doping.html?_r=0

Tenuous connections, but interesting nonetheless.

Gerry Ramogida is the associate in question. He is a chiropractor who has worked for the Seattle Seahawks, and served as 'performance therapist" for UK athletics in the run up to the 2012 Olympics. He's assisted many other athletes and teams.

He was apparently going to join Chad Robertson and Charles Sly (both of whom openly discuss their involvement in doping athletes during the documentary) in a business venture whose aim was to assist athletes medically, independent of their team programs (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more), but this didn't come to fruition. He wasn't mentioned in the documentary, but was apparently interviewed in conjunction with its production. He denies involvement in doping.

He is affiliated with this PRP/cortisone-offering entity - http://www.fortiussport.com/Services/Pages/SportMedicine.aspx

He also endorses the Slovenian 'Biomechanics and Kinesiology' company "tmg-bodyevolution.com" on their website.
Two key 'team members' of this company are Srdjan Djordjević, who was allegedly implicated in a Norwegian doping scandal (http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/01/31/doping-case-dismissed-career-ruined/), and Merlene Ottey, who had a nandrolone positive overturned by Jamaican andi-doping (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/drugs-in-sport-jamaicans-clear-ottey-of-doping-allegations-1126288.html).

The tmg-bodyevolution.com tag-line is "Better treatments, enhanced recoveries, improved careers. This is TMG™ Medical."
Their clients include: Football federation of Spain, Rafael Nadal, ATP Tennis player, FC Barcelona, Spain, Hockey federation of Russia, University of Iowa Olympic centre, USA, FC Real Madrid, Football federation of Italia, FC Milan, FC Liverpool, among others.

Something tells me there may be a story here......

 

[sniper]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ex-associate-of-pharmacists-in-al-jazeera-report-says-he-was-unaware-of-doping.html?_r=0

Tenuous connections, but interesting nonetheless.

Gerry Ramogida is the associate in question. He is a chiropractor who has worked for the Seattle Seahawks, and served as 'performance therapist" for UK athletics in the run up to the 2012 Olympics. He's assisted many other athletes and teams.

He was apparently going to join Chad Robertson and Charles Sly (who both openly discuss they involvement in doping athletes during the documentary) in a business venture whose aim was to assist athletes medically, independent of their team programs (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more), but this didn't come to fruition. He wasn't mentioned in the documentary, but was apparently interviewed in conjunction with its production. He denies involvement in doping.

He is affiliated with this PRP/cortisone-offering entity - http://www.fortiussport.com/Services/Pages/SportMedicine.aspx

He also endorses the Slovenian 'Biomechanics and Kinesiology' company "tmg-bodyevolution.com" on their website.
Two key 'team members' of this company are Srdjan Djordjević, who was allegedly implicated in a Norwegian doping scandal (http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/01/31/doping-case-dismissed-career-ruined/), and Merlene Ottey, who had a nandrolone positive overturned by Jamaican andi-doping (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/drugs-in-sport-jamaicans-clear-ottey-of-doping-allegations-1126288.html).

The tmg-bodyevolution.com tag-line is "Better treatments, enhanced recoveries, improved careers. This is TMG™ Medical."
Their clients include: Football federation of Spain, Rafael Nadal, ATP Tennis player, FC Barcelona, Spain, Hockey federation of Russia, University of Iowa Olympic centre, USA, FC Real Madrid, Football federation of Italia, FC Milan, FC Liverpool, among others.

Something tells me there may be a story here......

Here's an official list of their clients.
also includes English Institute of Sport and British Athletics (= UK Athletics?).
http://www.tmg-bodyevolution.com/about/clients/

 

[wansteadimp]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/sports/ex-associate-of-pharmacists-in-al-jazeera-report-says-he-was-unaware-of-doping.html?_r=0

Tenuous connections, but interesting nonetheless.

Gerry Ramogida is the associate in question. He is a chiropractor who has worked for the Seattle Seahawks, and served as 'performance therapist" for UK athletics in the run up to the 2012 Olympics. He's assisted many other athletes and teams.

He was apparently going to join Chad Robertson and Charles Sly (who both openly discuss they involvement in doping athletes during the documentary) in a business venture whose aim was to assist athletes medically, independent of their team programs (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more), but this didn't come to fruition. He wasn't mentioned in the documentary, but was apparently interviewed in conjunction with its production. He denies involvement in doping.

He is affiliated with this PRP/cortisone-offering entity - http://www.fortiussport.com/Services/Pages/SportMedicine.aspx

He also endorses the Slovenian 'Biomechanics and Kinesiology' company "tmg-bodyevolution.com" on their website.
Two key 'team members' of this company are Srdjan Djordjević, who was allegedly implicated in a Norwegian doping scandal (http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/01/31/doping-case-dismissed-career-ruined/), and Merlene Ottey, who had a nandrolone positive overturned by Jamaican andi-doping (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/drugs-in-sport-jamaicans-clear-ottey-of-doping-allegations-1126288.html).

The tmg-bodyevolution.com tag-line is "Better treatments, enhanced recoveries, improved careers. This is TMG™ Medical."
Their clients include: Football federation of Spain, Rafael Nadal, ATP Tennis player, FC Barcelona, Spain, Hockey federation of Russia, University of Iowa Olympic centre, USA, FC Real Madrid, Football federation of Italia, FC Milan, FC Liverpool, among others.

Something tells me there may be a story here......

Merlene Ottey has to be one of the most obvious dopers in athletics history, she won medals at every Olympics and World Champs from 1980 to 2000 except Seoul in 88 and Seville in 99 (serving her ban before it was overturned).

She raced and was successful against Silke Moller, Flo Jo, Katrine Krabbe, Heike Dreshler, Marion Jones etc amazing levels of doping required to do that.

 

[Merckx index]

Interesting new twist to the story. Manning's agent was notified ahead of publication of the AJ report, and his lawyers sent two men to investigate:

Five days before a documentary alleged that quarterback Peyton Manning and other star athletes had used performance-enhancing drugs, two men hired by Manning’s lawyers visited the parents of the documentary’s key witness. Both men wore black overcoats and jeans and, according to a 911 call from the house that evening, one initially said he was a law enforcement officer but didn’t have a badge.

Manning’s lawyers launched the private probe shortly after Al Jazeera started contacting athletes who would be named in the documentary. They hired investigators to identify, locate and interrogate Sly, and sent a lawyer to examine Peyton and Ashley’s medical records at the Guyer Institute of Molecular Medicine in Indianapolis.

The story Sly said he made up contained at least a bit of truth, though: The Guyer Institute did ship medication to Ashley Manning, Fleischer confirmed. Citing Ashley’s right to privacy, Fleischer declined to specify whether the medication was human growth hormone, which is banned by professional sports leagues and only legal to prescribe in America for a few specific conditions, such as growth hormone deficiency, HIV wasting syndrome and short bowel syndrome.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/inside-peyton-mannings-secret-investigation-into-al-jazeera-documentary/2016/02/04/d0da2f04-cb05-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

While Sly later recanted, the article points out several incidents that seem hard to reconcile with that. E.g., he was recorded talking about the drug delta-2 with Taylor Teagarden, a MLB player. Sly's story that he made everything up to impress the AJ undercover reporter whom he thought was a potential partner, has to be extended to claiming that Teagarden also made it up.

Unless it comes out that the medication was not HGH, it still does not look good for Manning. And if it wasn't HGH, why wouldn't Fleischer deny that it was, since he could do that without revealing what it was?