Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[ILovecycling]

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Come on now, you can't be serious though. Nobody is going to remember a single stage from this Giro couple of years down the road and you know that. TT wasn't unreal. Kiryienka won it ffs. Its just that Astana leaders are not strong TTers. Mortirolo isn't legendary. Everybody remembers Pantani, but it was because it was last climb, his rivals were one of the best (and not opponents who aren;t the best even in their team) and he dropped them instead of getting dropped hard on false-flat by one of those riders who is 3rd in rank even in his own team. Nobody remembers people catching up after puncturing and getting dropped later.
Everyone will just remember who won the Giro. And that's it. Seriously, those claims from last page are just outright delusional from people who clearly lost touch with reality

You are hillarious ...of course people will remember Mortirolo, as they remember Peyresourde (and others) and that was 8 years ago, did he win a stage? No.

 

[Red Rick]

Why the hell do people care who the best climber is? It doesn't matter

 

[No_Balls]

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LOL he has Landa tied up in knots . Whichever one he chooses to follow the other cannot hurt him for 4+ minutes without an incident. So let them have their minor awards.

40 year from now people will remember 3 things about this race. 1) Alberto Contador won in a landslide. 2) He was left behind while in the Pink Jersey by a mechanical, the strongest team went to the front and tried to destroy him. He rode the Mortirolo like the champion he is and caught them before the top. That ride will be Remembered! 3) He attacked and dropped the entire peloton while holding a 4+ minute lead from over 40km gaining over a minute on all his rivals.

Everything else will be just footnotes in cycling history folks.

And his incredible TT will be remembered I think Like I said, one of the best of his career

Sureeeee... because people often remember the podium place on a single stage in Giro
Or chasing 40 seconds back on a climb 40km away from a finish after getting a puncture (and getting dropped on next climb by 40 seconds). But no worries, go live your fantasies, I am not going to try and crash this party

I can only apologize to newcomers bots inability to grasp simple logic.

1. People doesnt remember this special (by-bots-introduced) asterisk "the field Pantani climbed against" (like everyone Mercxk stomped to the ground was worldbeaters). People remembers two things from that climb of Pantani: 1) The feat and ride in itself. 2) It was Pantani who did it. No one doesnt care who or what they were up against. Besides, Alberto is already a proven champ so it only adds to his list of features. As this will remembered.

On more thing. The stage has already been dubbed "epic" so i guess everything you guys can do now is damage control for the image of Skys knights around the great table in a abandon motor campervan.

 

[Carols]

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Why the hell do people care who the best climber is? It doesn't matter

Because for whatever reason they have a psychological need to attempt to cheapen Contador's victory. And a desire to dampen the spirits of those who are enjoying it. Hopefully they find some happiness in their lives.

 

[The Hitch]

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Eh, Lemond hasn't been too kind on Alberto in the past, I'm happy to see things have changed.

He hasn't? I remember not long after Contador was banned Lemond saying he wouldn't ban riders from minor drugs which clearly implicitly saying he wouldn't ban Contador, one of the few personalities in the sport at the time who said that.

 

[The Hitch]

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What's hypocritical about that? You might want to consider characteristics on which Lance differs from Contador and Pantani to make sense of it. Maybe you'll have a light bulb moment!

I am well aware that Lance was/is an real douchbag. Still, without dragging this into the clinic, Lance, Pantani and Contador are all the same in the sense that they are destroying the sport. Good guy, bad guy the effect is still the same on young riders trying to realize their dreams. I don't see how they are worth any praise from a guy who takes so much pride in being clean. It's really weird. Makes me wonder how trustworthy Lemond really is, or alternatively how strong characteristic he really has.

I kind of agree with you. Lemond has shown double standards. All and all he seems to be quite out of touch with the sport, something made evident in his ES appearances last year.

People are complex. He was a good guy on a lot of things but I also thing he is wrong on a lot of things and hardly one of the wise men right now.

 

[The Hitch]

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What's hypocritical about that? You might want to consider characteristics on which Lance differs from Contador and Pantani to make sense of it. Maybe you'll have a light bulb moment!

I am well aware that Lance was/is an real douchbag. Still, without dragging this into the clinic, Lance, Pantani and Contador are all the same in the sense that they are destroying the sport. Good guy, bad guy the effect is still the same on young riders trying to realize their dreams. I don't see how they are worth any praise from a guy who takes so much pride in being clean. It's really weird. Makes me wonder how trustworthy Lemond really is, or alternatively how strong characteristic he really has.

If we took your position seriously, not to praise people that are like Lance, Contador, Pantani in terms of that which cannot be talked about, then we can praise no one with any confidence. Certainly no winner.

While I agree that we can not praise many riders with certainty, I think it's safe to say there are riders we can praise without being a hypocrite. Since, in fact, we all know those three all has one thing in common, don't we?

Yep. They do all have one thing in common. They won on Plateau de Beile on route to winning the Tour de France. They are the only 3 riders to have accomplished this.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Eh, Lemond hasn't been too kind on Alberto in the past, I'm happy to see things have changed.

He hasn't? I remember not long after Contador was banned Lemond saying he wouldn't ban riders from minor drugs which clearly implicitly saying he wouldn't ban Contador, one of the few personalities in the sport at the time who said that.

Interesting, I havent known that, but like you said, double standards.

 

[FCKAC]

He may still win Giro, but no way he can win Tour in his current condition.

 

[Jspear]

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He may still win Giro, but no way he can win Tour in his current condition.

Of course he can't win the Tour with this form...AC knows that and has said as much.

 

[FCKAC]

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He may still win Giro, but no way he can win Tour in his current condition.

Of course he can't win the Tour with this form...AC knows that and has said as much.

The problem is he is old. I doubt he can be any better than his Giro form in the coming months.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Something must be wrong... a hunger bonk, or he is ill

 

[Ramira]

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He may still win Giro, but no way he can win Tour in his current condition.

Of course he can't win the Tour with this form...AC knows that and has said as much.

The problem is he is old. I doubt he can be any better than his Giro form in the coming months.

He's not old. He's 32, that's still pretty much in the peak years for a stage racer.

Evans was 34 when he won the Tour, Sastre was 33, Wiggins was 32.

 

[Ramira]

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Something must be wrong... a hunger bonk, or he is ill

It's clearly not a full bonk, considering he's not lost any time since the descent started (he's actually gained some), he might have had a small energy issue, which he was able to resolve by eating a bit (see Froome 2013).

Edit: The only problem is that Contador is far to clever and experienced to forget to eat, still it's the most likely explanation.

 

[Jspear]

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He may still win Giro, but no way he can win Tour in his current condition.

Of course he can't win the Tour with this form...AC knows that and has said as much.

The problem is he is old. I doubt he can be any better than his Giro form in the coming months.

He's not old. He's 32, that's still pretty much in the peak years for a stage racer.

Evans was 34 when he won the Tour, Sastre was 33, Wiggins was 32.

Basically its prime time for the double.

 

[Alcanelo]

I hope this puts to bed the dummies who suggested he has to go full gas today to win a stage for the fans...

 

[FCKAC]

Is this the first time AC winning a GT without winning any stages?

 

[indianfanboy]

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Is this the first time AC winning a GT without winning any stages?

2008 he didnt win a stage

 

[Alcanelo]

9 GT's. Job done.

 

[Arredondo]

Just a bad day.

Landa the best climber this Giro, Contador the best overall.

 

[Red Rick]

Contatroll strikes again

 

[LaFlorecita]

HALLELUJAH

NINE

 

[BigMac]

Meh, congratulations.

 

[Carols]

Well the man showed immense courage today, that was pretty ugly for a while. You can only function for so long without any support against an entire team like Astana.

Giro saved, now Tinkov needs to do the right thing by this guy. Find him a decent team!

 

[Brod710]

Will be interesting to hear what he has to say about today.