Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[sir fly]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

You already are.

 

[Electress]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

I too have long lists of names and a 'display this post' query. Ah well, its only a forum. Nobody (thankfully - that crash looked nasty) died.

 

[Electress]

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Just because Contador says he's here to prepare for the Tour and not necessarily go for the win, peeps believe he'll be free wheeling the whole week and if not, then he's a liar. Good lord

Just trying to set up a straw man for the sake of argument. After a while, zero engagement policy applies.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Hahah

 

[PremierAndrew]

Those gaps were caused by a crosswind and riders being tired and too weak to hold the wheel. Not because of the crash. I would understand if Contador was whining after getting held up by the crash, but he simply wasn't. He should have been better positioned in the finale. Period.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Those gaps were caused by a crosswind and riders being tired and too weak to hold the wheel. Not because of the crash. I would understand if Contador was whining after getting held up by the crash, but he simply wasn't. He should have been better positioned in the finale. Period.

There was no cross wind lol. Froome almost crashed two days ago because he was trying to maintain his position at the front. Don't whine when he crashes out like that one day.

 

[sir fly]

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Those gaps were caused by a crosswind and riders being tired and too weak to hold the wheel. Not because of the crash. I would understand if Contador was whining after getting held up by the crash, but he simply wasn't. He should have been better positioned in the finale. Period.

There was no cross wind lol. Froome almost crashed two days ago because he was trying to maintain his position at the front. Don't whine when he crashes out like that one day.

There were no roundabouts and other road furniture, as well.
What the hell... There was no race, thus there was no crash.

 

[Valv.Piti]

3 rather uneventful stages in Dauphine and this thread as usual on fire. Contador has been somewhat lucky not to lose time the two previous day (it could certainly be defended), bur didn't. Today's time loss seemed fair, not only in the light of what happened Tuesday and Wednesday, but it was not like it was a big crash at all which hampered him dramatically in today's finish. I don't subscribe to the notion that the crash cause the splits, rather, it was a very hard final and Alberto was isolated. Its only seconds, you should be happy he didn't lose time on at least one more stage instead - he still has the jersey and hasn't crashed.

Now its all up to Alberto to close the deal in yellow which was the ideal scenario for him before the 3 last deciding stages. Can he? Porte and Froome are hungry.

 

[perico]

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reminds me of the 2011 TDF in the very 1st stage when there were one crash after another, got held back , lost a lot of time while Tour organizers literally ignored completely the 3k rule.

exactly. Those 9s don't bother him, but it bothers him that the 3km rule is ignored, because it could mean unfair time loss at the Tour, and such a loss could be much more than 9s.
But anyway, sir fly is so adamant Contador isn't in good shape, I doubt arguing with him will be of much use.

So, why's the 3k rule so important to him if he doesn't care about the time gaps?
Is it some kind of 3k free wheeling fetish?

For Contador's form, see stage one, unless Froome was going easy on purpose.

 

[peloton]

Let's see how the not Contador fans see the 3km rule when it's their rider who loses time because of a crash and no time neutralization, pretty sure that would sound very different...

Anyway, bring on the mountains

 

[peloton]

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reminds me of the 2011 TDF in the very 1st stage when there were one crash after another, got held back , lost a lot of time while Tour organizers literally ignored completely the 3k rule.

exactly. Those 9s don't bother him, but it bothers him that the 3km rule is ignored, because it could mean unfair time loss at the Tour, and such a loss could be much more than 9s.
But anyway, sir fly is so adamant Contador isn't in good shape, I doubt arguing with him will be of much use.

So, why's the 3k rule so important to him if he doesn't care about the time gaps?
Is it some kind of 3k free wheeling fetish?

For Contador's form, see stage one, unless Froome was going easy on purpose.

Of course he was, didn't really even bother with it
(j/k)

 

[BlurryVII]

"Al final esto va a hacer que nos juguemos la vida cada día en el próximo Tour, independientemente de la regla de los 3 km"

There you go, as I thought now he's gonna ignore the 3k rule and fight for positions at the Tour. And then people wonder why there are crashes.

There was no crosswind Andrew, don't try to make it harder than it was, I saw it live, the crash started the split and Contador was behind braking and going to the left. Rewatch it again, it's a mistake.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Those gaps were caused by a crosswind and riders being tired and too weak to hold the wheel. Not because of the crash. I would understand if Contador was whining after getting held up by the crash, but he simply wasn't. He should have been better positioned in the finale. Period.

There was no cross wind lol. Froome almost crashed two days ago because he was trying to maintain his position at the front. Don't whine when he crashes out like that one day.

There were gaps opening up before the crash. There was a gap between a lotto nl rider of about two bike lengths at one point with about 2.5km to go in the middle of the peloton. Eurosport commentary said there was a crosswind, which admittedly isn't the most reliable source but the gaps opening up seemed to confirm that.
And wtf does this have to do with Froome almost crashing?

 

[BlurryVII]

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Let's see how the not Contador fans see the 3km rule when it's their rider who loses time because of a crash and no time neutralization, pretty sure that would sound very different...

Instead of 'Oh Froome's positioning was brilliant, spectacular, so smart" "He fought his way through the crosswinds and deserved those 9 seconds!"

They'd pretty much just be whining about the 3k rule as well lol.

 

[lenric]

3km rule is just plain stupid. Obvious thing to do would be nobody loses time in the last 5 kms or so, in order to prevent GC contenders from getting screwed up. That would in fact help other teams who'd aim for the sprinting. Don't really know how this has never been applied.

 

[Matteo.]

The real problem is that he was completely isolated. Where were his teammates in the finale?

 

[PremierAndrew]

A couple of seconds later, another gap starts opening up:

Crash was at 2.5km.

That said, having rewatched it, the crash was much closer to the front than I thought when watching live and definitely increased the gaps. So yes, I take back what I said earlier and Contador did have a point.
But you could also say that there would probably have been gaps anyway, and it would be equally unfair to give no time advantage to those who were in front of the split as it would be to give time gaps

 

[Valv.Piti]

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3km rule is just plain stupid. Obvious thing to do would be nobody loses time in the last 5 kms or so, in order to prevent GC contenders from getting screwed up. That would in fact help other teams who'd aim for the sprinting. Don't really know how this has never been applied.

I agree SO MUCH with this. Let the sprinters fight over the useless and uneventful stages in the GT's without the GC-teams trying to act like sprinter teams. Would make everything so much better.

 

[sir fly]

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"Al final esto va a hacer que nos juguemos la vida cada día en el próximo Tour, independientemente de la regla de los 3 km"

There you go, as I thought now he's gonna ignore the 3k rule and fight for positions at the Tour. And then people wonder why there are crashes.

There was no crosswind Andrew, don't try to make it harder than it was, I saw it live, the crash started the split and Contador was behind braking and going to the left. Rewatch it again, it's a mistake.

Actually, I think he stopped for a moment, asked Bozic if he's all right and offered him his bicycle. But Bozic refused 'cause he didn't want to be penalised, thanked Contador, sent greetings to Macarena and waved while Contador was climbing back on his bike.
It's impressive Contador has been caught just 9 seconds behind.

 

[BlurryVII]

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The real problem is that he was completely isolated. Where were his teammates in the finale?

Taking a dump, as usual.

 

[peloton]

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3km rule is just plain stupid. Obvious thing to do would be nobody loses time in the last 5 kms or so, in order to prevent GC contenders from getting screwed up. That would in fact help other teams who'd aim for the sprinting. Don't really know how this has never been applied.

I agree SO MUCH with this. Let the sprinters fight over the useless and uneventful stages in the GT's without the GC-teams trying to act like sprinter teams. Would make everything so much better.

Agree with this 100% too.

 

[Carols]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

I totally understand, so has mine, LOL.

 

[Jakub]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

You already are.

No, she is not, but thanks for reminding me that still have a work to do here

 

[Jakub]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

I totally understand, so has mine, LOL.

Well, that's ok Flo, I was sometimes wondering why do you bother and quote my ignore list's friends so I see their posts anyway. Very good

 

[Ironhead Slim]

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My ignore list has expanded drastically during the last few weeks, soon I'll be chatting with myself

I totally understand, so has mine, LOL.

I don't post a lot but I appreciate your and LaFlorecita's comments. Thanks!